58 minutes ago, Baaa said:

Bet it isn't as good as Black Pudding.

Cheers
Baaa

*looks up what black pudding is*

Nah man.

Just....nah.

6 minutes ago, FatherTurin said:

*looks up what black pudding is*

Nah man.

Just....nah.

Don't knock it until you've tried it. It really is offally good.

That depends entirely on how far south you are. I’m within 100 miles of London. The black pudding around here is generally nowhere near as good as Legion.

1 hour ago, FTS Gecko said:

Don't knock it until you've tried it. It really is offally good.

I don’t know, man. I may not keep kosher, but pigs blood is still a bit much for this MOT.

13 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

The only thing I can say for certain that was unequivocally, sub-optimally handled was Finn's role.

I have felt this about both of the sequel films, but especially TLJ. Aside from his very first act of rebellion against the first order by busting Poe out, he’s largely just been there as a bumbling fool who never quite gets his moment.

I would have forgiven Disney for mishandling him in TLJ if they had let him sacrifice himself as planned and save the day on Crait. It would have been the sequel trilogy’s “Han in carbonite” moment. Bringing back a tone of the gravity of the situation.

But nope, right when he finally comes to terms with being a rebel, err resistance member, and is finally prepared to lay it all down, we have to swoop in and say that’s stupid to believe in the cause that much. ?

13 hours ago, FatherTurin said:

Again, I really enjoyed TLJ, and I actually think Adam Driver was phenomenal in it. The throne room battle was very well done, it just lacked the gravitas (and music) of Vader and Luke’s final showdown.

FWIW, the original throne room duel of RotJ had a very different tone to it - it wasn’t just an action sequence. It was Luke struggling with the dark side within himself as well. And the cinematography and music told that story beautifully, interspersed within the actual dueling sequence.

I feel that modern blockbusters, not just Star Wars, don’t care for those layers within layers - wysiwyg. It’s a cool sequence, but there’s nothing hiding beneath it to appreciate as well.

21 minutes ago, FatherTurin said:

I don’t know, man. I may not keep kosher, but pigs blood is still a bit much for this MOT.

Think of it more as a cake. A savory, spicy, meaty cake.

2 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

Don't knock it until you've tried it. It really is offally good.

I see what you did there.

I'm more partial to boudin noir, myself.

54 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Think of it more as a cake. A savory, spicy, meaty cake.

Not a fan myself. Wife loves the stuff though.

35 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

I would have forgiven Disney for mishandling him in TLJ if they had let him sacrifice himself as planned and save the day on Crait. It would have been the sequel trilogy’s “Han in carbonite” moment. Bringing back a tone of the gravity of the situation.

Nope, Finn would have just splatted on the big gun doing zero damage, throwing away his life for nothing. A sad and useless end, but at least he wouldn’t have been forced to kiss rose ?? (Finn and Poe 4ever)

37 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

WIW, the original throne room duel of RotJ had a very different tone to it - it wasn’t just an action sequence. It was Luke struggling with the dark side within himself as well. And the cinematography and music told that story beautifully, interspersed within the actual dueling sequence.

I feel that modern blockbusters, not just Star Wars, don’t care for those layers within layers - wysiwyg. It’s a cool sequence, but there’s nothing hiding beneath it to appreciate as well.

The TLJ throne room sequence was unique in that it was a fight where the main protagonist and antagonist fight side by side, we’ve never seen that before! The whole time you are wondering if Kylo actually just switched sides or who knows what, the first time you see this fight it’s just crazy! The fact they are fighting faceless goons isn’t the point at all, it’s Rey and Kylo back to back, against the galaxy, fighting for the future. The fate of everything begins with this sequence and continues into the scenes where Rey has to make a choice, follow Kylo and risk being turned to the darkness even as she tries to draw him into the light, or follow her own path. It’s big league stuff. These scenes, the scenes with Luke ‘training’, and the big confrontation with force projection Luke are what elevate the movie from being completely bogged down to being watchable and interesting.

19 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

The scenes with Luke ‘training’

I'm glad you used quote marks there.

1 hour ago, FTS Gecko said:

1 hour ago, GrimmyV said:

the scenes with Luke ‘training’

I'm glad you used quote marks there.

Well, it’s not real Jedi training until someone gets a porgy-back ride:

5 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

Don't knock it until you've tried it. It really is offally good.

I see what you did there.

We've had a store (two I think) just send all of their X-Wing inventory back.

8 hours ago, FatherTurin said:

*looks up what black pudding is*

Nah man.

Just....nah.

Heathen

Cheers

Baaa

8 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

Don't knock it until you've tried it. It really is offally good.

Thank you very much folks; I'm here all week

Cheers

Baaa

The game may not be dead but the community seems to be where I'm at. We use to have multiple places throwing tournaments and get 20+ players at random tournaments with no real prize support. Now we 1 place running it once a month and its like 6-8 people. The problem is FFG and how they're handling the game. Every wave they have to release new stuff that creates a new cancerous list that just becomes insanely powerful. I get it, powerful stuff sells and helps move plastic. The problem is it becomes exhausting and if you ever fall behind a wave or start into the hobby the hill seems insurmountable. FFG's design philosophy seems to be ok here are the rules now let's break those rules to create interesting things. Cut to 5 years later and now there are so many things that break the core rules they either design themselves into a corner or break the game and have to errata cards.

The last thing I bought was a sheathipede and that was the only thing from this current wave. Skipped guns for hire even though I love scum. I'm now just making my own proxy cards for things like harpoons and other high power cards. I just have 0 motivation to buy this stuff anymore. They could have got me back with the new x wing u wing expansion if they had used blue squadron from rogue 1 but no they went with saw who is an awful character and those paint schemes look ugly af.

FFG imo has 3 options.

1. Do x wing 2.0 where they change some mechanics, point costs, and pilots.

2. If no x wing 2.0 then the next wave will be a re release of wave 1 but with a new paint job on the model and new pilots, upgrades, and fixes. Then wave 2, wave 3, wave 4, etc...

3. Move to an online army builder like Corvus Belli does for infinity. It's 2018 there is 0 reason we need to be collecting stupid cards to build our lists. Create an app that works on mobile devices and let's you build your lists and either use your phone, tablet, or you can print out the list for tournaments. That way if ya need to make fixes to ships or pilots you just update it in the list builder and that's it. No more stupid cards. Before people say but what about the people without phones, tablets, or access to a printer? I say if they have 0 access to any of those things then they are in the tiny minority and will be left behind.

46 minutes ago, AtomicFryingPan said:

3. Move to an online army builder like Corvus Belli does for infinity. It's 2018 there is 0 reason we need to be collecting stupid cards to build our lists. Create an app that works on mobile devices and let's you build your lists and either use your phone, tablet, or you can print out the list for tournaments. That way if ya need to make fixes to ships or pilots you just update it in the list builder and that's it. No more stupid cards. Before people say but what about the people without phones, tablets, or access to a printer? I say if they have 0 access to any of those things then they are in the tiny minority and will be left behind.

One of the problems the game has right now is accessability. We are up at about 660cards now. That's steep.

Several of them have been errated, plus all the changes due to and in the flow chart, as some rather illogical rulings.

With an online rules-app things start to be even more fluid, as you can change freely. Reducing accessability even further.

Then if you only have printouts, hiw do you handle EM & Jabba, how do you handle dual-sided cards, how do you handle discards, which can get flipped up again (reloads, scavenger crane, which also flips up non-ordnance)?

I play a lot with children and teens, when they play with a print-out, they far more easily forget cards and opportunities. And playing against an opponent who has his entire list on a tiny mobile screen on the other side of the board feels just stupid, cause you have to memorise the whole enrmy list, as it is not displayed openly where you occasionally can glance over (been there, done it, was not fun). With your solution, printouts or big tablet should be mandatory.

Furthermore there is solution

4. Open up the game by getting away from the monotonous 100/6. Release a campaign pack, release balanced(!) missions, and have objectives in hypercompetitive tournament play.

My feeling is people get bored not only by repetitive release of again newest OP stuff or combowing, but also lack of variability. Bored to the point of leaving the game. (Therefore also inofficial objective packs, podcast listbuilding challenges with odd goals etc). Fly straight towards each other/circle each other and try to kill all. Every time. Again and again. Even in the heyday of doghtfight of WW I with a kind of chivalry code, individual challenges were really rare. In conflicts very seldomly pure fighter wings meet pure fighter wings with no apparent reason other then "let's just go and kill each other". There is almost always an objective involved, protecting something, escorting something, trying to destroy some installation etc

I don't want online builder prinouts to replace cards as the tournament standard.

I do have internet access (obviously). I have a printer, technically. It ran out of toner... last year sometime, I think. I haven't bothered replacing it because I hardly use it. Most people nowadays have a computer or smartphone but barely print anything. In my case, boarding passes and stuff when I travel and that's about it (and I can usually get away with using the printer at work because it's occassional).

If that became the standard for X-Wing, I would have to get a new printer or cartridge, and afterwards waste paper and toner on squad lists every. single. time. - when I already have the cards right there! And then there's the weekly game-store game, where I would also have to print a list out instead of just bringing a few cards. Sheer pointless wastefulness.

And then there's technical failures to consider. What happens if your printer breaks down the night before a tournament? Or your internet connection? No, just no.

1 hour ago, Dasharr said:

I don't want online builder prinouts to replace cards as the tournament standard.

I do have internet access (obviously). I have a printer, technically. It ran out of toner... last year sometime, I think. I haven't bothered replacing it because I hardly use it. Most people nowadays have a computer or smartphone but barely print anything. In my case, boarding passes and stuff when I travel and that's about it (and I can usually get away with using the printer at work because it's occassional).

If that became the standard for X-Wing, I would have to get a new printer or cartridge, and afterwards waste paper and toner on squad lists every. single. time. - when I already have the cards right there! And then there's the weekly game-store game, where I would also have to print a list out instead of just bringing a few cards. Sheer pointless wastefulness.

And then there's technical failures to consider. What happens if your printer breaks down the night before a tournament? Or your internet connection? No, just no.

Good for you, but plenty of people don't want to buy expansions just for a single upgrade in them.

Printing things is.... really, really cheap. Like 1 cent a sheet cheap for colour printouts from an inkjet printer in your own home. Even laser printers don't go much higher than that. If you want to look at wastefulness, think about how much cheaper packs would be if FFG didn't have to coordinate card manufacturers with model/chit manufacturers? And how much less landfill would be created by discarded saboteur cards... Heck, compared to the travel cost to any regional, it's almost nothing.

In every major tournament you have to submit a copy of your list anyway, for obvious integrity reasons. So either a printout or a tedious 5 minutes writing everything out on the corner of a table. Then you'd probably need to give a copy to an opponent as a courtesy, so they don't have to look at your cards upside down for an hour. All time saving things that improve the play experience. Nearly every person at my FLGS brings printouts - even for games like Armada - and it's never been an issue.

Technical failures are always a concern. Imagine if you left your whole list at a FLGS the night before the regional, and couldn't get it back in time. Heck, imagine misplacing a single card from your list (say, TLT on Ghost/Fenn), and not having a replacement. Of course, if you've already been using the app for printouts, and you're going to a big event, you've no doubt been practicing with your list for weeks, and thus already have several copies handy.

On 4/11/2018 at 12:07 AM, Kieransi said:

I think X-Wing is really quiet right now in my own local community. So I'm kind of feeling the "game is dead" vibe. We can get campaigns rolling, but actual 100-point dogfights don't happen.

But X-Wingers are a fickle bunch. They'll be back as soon as there's a new wave or FAQ or whatever.

I live in the Charlotte, NC area, and there has not been an organized tournament in close to a year. Two LGS have X-wing free play nights, but no one shows up at one store and the folks that come to the second one seem to just play HotAC. Yes, I definitely think that X-wing is dead in my community. Legion is not catching on either from what I can tell.

1 hour ago, Astech said:

Good for you, but plenty of people don't want to buy expansions just for a single upgrade in them.

Printing things is.... really, really cheap. Like 1 cent a sheet cheap for colour printouts from an inkjet printer in your own home. Even laser printers don't go much higher than that. If you want to look at wastefulness, think about how much cheaper packs would be if FFG didn't have to coordinate card manufacturers with model/chit manufacturers? And how much less landfill would be created by discarded saboteur cards... Heck, compared to the travel cost to any regional, it's almost nothing.

In every major tournament you have to submit a copy of your list anyway, for obvious integrity reasons. So either a printout or a tedious 5 minutes writing everything out on the corner of a table. Then you'd probably need to give a copy to an opponent as a courtesy, so they don't have to look at your cards upside down for an hour. All time saving things that improve the play experience. Nearly every person at my FLGS brings printouts - even for games like Armada - and it's never been an issue.

Technical failures are always a concern. Imagine if you left your whole list at a FLGS the night before the regional, and couldn't get it back in time. Heck, imagine misplacing a single card from your list (say, TLT on Ghost/Fenn), and not having a replacement. Of course, if you've already been using the app for printouts, and you're going to a big event, you've no doubt been practicing with your list for weeks, and thus already have several copies handy.

I've never run the numbers on costs per page of printing, and this may be an international difference thing (since you priced it in cents), but over here if a toner cartridge runs out it's usually cheaper to buy a new printer with a cartridge in it than to replace the cartridge, because they're so expensive.

Writing out a list by hand: in my experience there's always lots and lots of waiting around for tournaments to start so the time taken is pretty much irrelevant.

Is it really all that universal for everyone to have a printer ready to go at home? I can see how people actively looking for employment would want one for running off CVs (luckily I'm in a secure job so that's not an issue) and maybe other cases like people in business for themselves, but lots of people I know just don't need one.

Losing a squad sheet isn't a technical failure. That's things like your ISP having a service blackout. And plenty of people make changes to their list during practice and try out different versions all the way up to the last week, so that's lots of redundant pages and even more risk of losing the right one.

3 minutes ago, Dasharr said:

I've never run the numbers on costs per page of printing, and this may be an international difference thing (since you priced it in cents), but over here if a toner cartridge runs out it's usually cheaper to buy a new printer with a cartridge in it than to replace the cartridge, because they're so expensive.

Writing out a list by hand: in my experience there's always lots and lots of waiting around for tournaments to start so the time taken is pretty much irrelevant.

Is it really all that universal for everyone to have a printer ready to go at home? I can see how people actively looking for employment would want one for running off CVs (luckily I'm in a secure job so that's not an issue) and maybe other cases like people in business for themselves, but lots of people I know just don't need one.

Losing a squad sheet isn't a technical failure. That's things like your ISP having a service blackout. And plenty of people make changes to their list during practice and try out different versions all the way up to the last week, so that's lots of redundant pages and even more risk of losing the right one.

It might be, but Australian toner is also very expensive. Inkjets however are cheaper to buy, maintain and supply with ink. You can buy maybe 2000 pages worth of blank ink for $10-20.

It's often true, provided you can arrive at the tournament early. If not, it's always handy just to have the list ready to go, in case of traffic or other hold ups.

Everyone I know has one or more printers. Mainly because they're a fire-and-forget kind of purchase. Once you get it you just don't worry for years about replacements.

An ISP blackout, at least in Australia, is incredibly uncommon. But I suppose it could be an issue. And even then, players can simply write out their list by hand; they just have to remember which cards say what in the current game state, as is the case now. Again, losing a card is far, far worse in the current system.

I think rather than an on-line squad building app that can be taken down at any time. I would prefer official pdfs of all the cards which we can print.

This thread is still going? I thought it had lived it's life when breakfast became the subject of debate...

You've done well with this troll @Shadow345; now fulfill your destiny!

On 4/10/2018 at 10:17 PM, theBitterFig said:

Last Jedi hate is mostly a myth. Movie sold like mad. Some might downplay that, any Star Wars movie is going to fill theatres, but Blu-Ray sold like mad so clearly folks liked something. There's a small but vocal group of folks mad about The Last Jedi, but overall reception is quite positive.

the last jedi cheated me out of my money...