Tadaka Feelings

By L5RBr, in Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game

After a few games whats your feelings about Isawa Tadaka?

I like him, but only as a friend.

Kind of a rude boy.

It's complicated?

Worth his weight in gold.

Most Phoenix decks should try to include 2 copies, unless the deck is top heavy.

I could only wish an equivalent character is released in the ? pack. Ain’t holding my breath.

He is a definite pain to play against as an event heavy Scorpion player. But he is also a pain for Crane, so I am okay with him being a thing.

@Joe From Cincinnati had 4 Phoenix Hatamotos write an article for him analyzing the cards in the Phoenix Clan Pack.

Aside from the fact that he managed to abuse 4 Phoenix to work for him for free (yeah, he’s definitely a Crab, they’re always asking for free things), and that he didn’t announce it here (just in Reddit. Oh, the nerve of this guy!), I would advise you, and everybody, to look over those minor flaws and take a look at the article, specially the part about Tadaka.

It can be found here .

6 hours ago, LordBlunt said:

Worth his weight in gold.

Most Phoenix decks should try to include 2 copies, unless the deck is top heavy.

I could only wish an equivalent character is released in the ? pack. Ain’t holding my breath.

Dragon will get a character that as long as they are unbowed Everytime a player, including you, tries to play an event they have to answer an opponent's riddle or the event is cancelled or something as equally strange and self imposed.

4 hours ago, Tabris2k said:

@Joe From Cincinnati had 4 Phoenix Hatamotos write an article for him analyzing the cards in the Phoenix Clan Pack.

Aside from the fact that he managed to abuse 4 Phoenix to work for him for free (yeah, he’s definitely a Crab, they’re always asking for free things), and that he didn’t announce it here (just in Reddit. Oh, the nerve of this guy!), I would advise you, and everybody, to look over those minor flaws and take a look at the article, specially the part about Tadaka.

It can be found here .

I was merely a conduit to the outside world ;)

I've never been more thankful for Fate worse than death than when I used it on him

22 minutes ago, Taki said:

I've never been more thankful for Fate worse than death than when I used it on him

And thus begins the power creep and escalation.... this is worrisome in my eyes and needs to be monitored. ?

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3 hours ago, LordBlunt said:

And thus begins the power creep and escalation.... this is worrisome in my eyes and needs to be monitored. ?

What's the alternative to power creep?

2 hours ago, FunTimeTeddy said:

What's the alternative to power creep?

Crappy cards for ever. Thanks, but no thanks.

3 hours ago, FunTimeTeddy said:

What's the alternative to power creep?

Balanced cards. From the onset of the game, through to the last cycle of the game. (one may wish, correct?)

There have been and will continue to be unbalanced cards, which will open the door wide for power creep... and thus, IMO, it has begun.

Unless, of course, you believe that every single card (Tadaka!) and each clan (Scorpion!) is “balanced?”

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I don't think that Tadaka is overpowered, but he is a hard counter against hard control decks, a counter against tempo decks that include a lot of events and even strong against decks that only include some events (like Dragon). The problem I have with his design is that it is difficult to play around the effect of Tadaka, especially for control decks. Cards like Kisada or the new Crane guy punishes you, but don't outright forbid you to play something and are therefore better designed imo.

19 hours ago, LordBlunt said:

Balanced cards. From the onset of the game, through to the last cycle of the game. (one may wish, correct?)

There have been and will continue to be unbalanced cards, which will open the door wide for power creep... and thus, IMO, it has begun.

Unless, of course, you believe that every single card (Tadaka!) and each clan (Scorpion!) is “balanced?”

I don't believe that every single card and clan is balanced, and certainly not in a vacuum. It's more of an evolving meta, where cards and clans fall in and out of favor. Power creep is part of that. Otherwise, mechanics become needlessly complex. This is coming from a player who tends to represent Unicorn at local tournaments.

I've been training the crane vs Phoenix Match up a lot recently. I've found out that if I can't Noble sac him the turn he's played (or fwtd into nsac or void ring) I just loose (or the Ph player ****** up badly). Even then that means I can't use noble sac/fwtd on phoenix's other guys before that point which in itself makes the early game more difficult.

Right now I think playing and protecting it (which isn't that difficult since he's really good at protecting itself) is a win condition against current Crane popular decks.

I like what he does to the competitive scenario, forcing people to diversify the builds. But I think is the kind of character that was released too soon due to the very limited cardpool and the deep of value between the available events we have.

To be honest I'm having much more problems with phx New stronghold + the draw holdings. And also theres embrace the void that generates 2-3 fates for Free.. I think the only weakness of phx actually is dishonor, but the only splashable card costs 4 fates..

On 4/24/2018 at 11:22 PM, LordBlunt said:

Balanced cards. From the onset of the game, through to the last cycle of the game. (one may wish, correct?)

There have been and will continue to be unbalanced cards, which will open the door wide for power creep... and thus, IMO, it has begun.

Unless, of course, you believe that every single card (Tadaka!) and each clan (Scorpion!) is “balanced?”

The other way to look at it is that there exsists imbalances from the onset that require cards that are better than what is currently available to get us closer to an even playing field.

Phoenix vs Scorpion match up just got more balanced. The impact Tadaka has in the other match ups will be varied. Vs decks that are heavy attachment he won't do much. Vs event heavy decks he will cause problems so people must build accordingly if a card like Tadaka is going to be a problem for them.

With Policy Debate and event heavy control decks somewhat setting the pace of the metagame, I'm glad to see a card like Tadaka. It makes sequencing and timing more important that straight up access and volume.

Edited by Ishi Tonu

I think he's absolutely great, but then I'm biased - He'll counter Scorpion and Crane pretty hard and not do much to Dragon, which works out just fine for me. :lol:

4 hours ago, Bayushi Tsubaki said:

I think he's absolutely great, but then I'm biased - He'll counter Scorpion and Crane pretty hard and not do much to Dragon, which works out just fine for me. :lol:

He counters the Dragon’s top card, which is Let Go. And that’s enough for me :D No more Clouds or Embraces to my discard pile!

Although I’m talking about splash, mostly. I’ve still yet to play against a Dragon after clan pack.

A huge negative play experience. Even though playing against Scorpion is not fun, at least they don't prevent you playing cards out of your hand.

On ‎28‎.‎04‎.‎2018 at 4:44 PM, Ishi Tonu said:

The other way to look at it is that there exsists imbalances from the onset that require cards that are better than what is currently available to get us closer to an even playing field.

Phoenix vs Scorpion match up just got more balanced. The impact Tadaka has in the other match ups will be varied. Vs decks that are heavy attachment he won't do much. Vs event heavy decks he will cause problems so people must build accordingly if a card like Tadaka is going to be a problem for them.

With Policy Debate and event heavy control decks somewhat setting the pace of the metagame, I'm glad to see a card like Tadaka. It makes sequencing and timing more important that straight up access and volume.

Phoenix/Dragon tempo is now favored against Scorpion/Dragon control. Even against Dragon/Crab tempo Tadaka is really good, because Dragon/Crab has to play a lot of events in the current metagame.

I honetly don't think that event heavy control decks are the benchmark of the format atm. I personally think that tempo decks (and especially Phoenix/Dragon) are the gatekeeper right now, because they destroy aggro (Lion/x), only lose to midrange (Crab/Unicorn) if they high roll and incase of Phoenix/Dragon has a favourable MU against control (Scorpion/Dragon, Crane/Scorpion).

Just got back into the game, played a phoenix deck last night. Holy moly, between him and the new stronghold, phoenix is crazy. I really didn't think tadaka would be that bad but when I looked at my opponents hand and saw a ton of events he couldn't play, I knew then he is a monster.

59 minutes ago, migs6000 said:

.....I really didn't think tadaka would be that bad but when I looked at my opponents hand and saw a ton of events he couldn't play, I knew then he is a monster.

I’m confused by your post. Unless I’m mis-understanding, a Phoenix player merely has to claim the Earth ring (with one of their characters or Holdings that give that ability) and they are good to go. Thus, opponents of Tadaka, specifically those who are Event heavy, are *** out unless they can also either claim the ring or gain control of the ring through the resolution of a conflict... there is a big difference in my eyes.

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