Active Artillery Pieces as units in Legion

By Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun, in Star Wars: Legion

Looking at some of the new toy accessories from Solo , and remembering the entrenched Rebels defending Echo Base, got me me to realize that I would love to see Light to Heavy Artillery Pieces for Legion, with their own set of rules.

I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before we see an Iconic E-Web release, but how would you guys feel about a Golan DF.9 Anti Infantry Battery or a Atgar 1.4 FD P-Tower or even an antiquated but functioning Gordarl LR1K Sonic Cannon supporting your Legions or softening up your opponent?

Is that Rebel across the table from you fielding that Farm boy with a Lightsaber? Why not show him the folly of his ways with a Merr-Sonn Bellower and make him cry out for his auntie.

They could make great self defending objectives as well as defensive cover that actually provided suppressive fire.

After all, General der Artillerie was a prestigious rank in the real world.

The E-web is direct fire support. Not artillery.

Active artillery to me means something with a 1 turn delay, AOE, and a chance to miss by a decent margin. Something that provides risk to use too close to your own troops. Think mortars.

I think we'll see some of them like how were getting the crates and moisture evaporator units. It would be cool if you could spend a couple actions with a unit to have some extra powerful attack go off.

1 hour ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before we see an Iconic E-Web release, but how would you guys feel about a Golan DF.9 Anti Infantry Battery or a Atgar 1.4 FD P-Tower ...

Given that we know there is a 'Stationary' deployment condition/keyword, I suspect these are at least in the plausible category.

1 hour ago, Church14 said:

The E-web is direct fire support. Not artillery.

Active artillery to me means something with a 1 turn delay, AOE, and a chance to miss by a decent margin. Something that provides risk to use too close to your own troops. Think mortars.

Actually the E-Web* is considered a medium anti personal weapon and would still fit in this category. But I do concur, and if you read my post, the following other examples do ramp up, and I word it that they are more in line of what I mean in the subject heading.

*The way we envisioned the E-Web at West End Games is less the World War II Maschinengewehr 42 and more Raketenwerfer 43.

Edited by Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun
7 minutes ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

Actually the E-Web* is considered a medium anti personal weapon and would still fit in this category. But I do concur, and if you read my post, the following other examples do ramp up, and I word it that they are more in line of what I mean in the subject heading.

*The way we envisioned the E-Web at West End Games is less the World War II Maschinengewehr 42 and more Raketenwerfer 43.

The US M2 .50 cal is probably a better analogy. Definitely not artillery, but well beyond the scope of a single individual to transport and use, and well beyond the firepower and range that most infantry weapons are capable of.

If by "Active Artillery" you mean "Artillery that walks up into it's target's face and unleashes a howitzer blast at point blank range" then I've got news for you!

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Introducing the AT-DT Walker from SOLO: A Star Wars Story.

Artillery seems like it is already being represented in the game via command cards like Veers'

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Nothing as large as an AT-AT or any stationary artillery piece should be represented in this game by anything other than off-board attacks like this.

I really don't get what people find appealing about trundling a giant pseudo-terrain piece around slowly rolling dice, or situating a model in the corner of the board and never moving it.

2 hours ago, Indy_com said:

If by "Active Artillery" you mean "Artillery that walks up into it's target's face and unleashes a howitzer blast at point blank range" then I've got news for you!

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Introducing the AT-DT Walker from SOLO: A Star Wars Story.

Nah, that's an AT-ST - looks like two variants. The one in the background has two large guns. Thinking we will have a taste of a classic human Imperial Guard regiment

22 minutes ago, Deddog said:

Nah, that's an AT-ST - looks like two variants. The one in the background has two large guns. Thinking we will have a taste of a classic human Imperial Guard regiment

If I can just redirect your attention to this product image:

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As you can see, this walker is called an AT-DT and is clearly a field howitzer on legs. Perfect for on table artillery.

4 hours ago, Indy_com said:

If I can just redirect your attention to this product image:

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As you can see, this walker is called an AT-DT and is clearly a field howitzer on legs. Perfect for on table artillery.

Can’t wait to get a good look at this thing

5 hours ago, Indy_com said:

If I can just redirect your attention to this product image:

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As you can see, this walker is called an AT-DT and is clearly a field howitzer on legs. Perfect for on table artillery.

I going to guess it’s All Terrain Deployable Turret

What about a neutral terrain box with the turrets (Without the E-webs) be part of an objective or two.

15 hours ago, Tvayumat said:

Artillery seems like it is already being represented in the game via command cards like Veers'

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Nothing as large as an AT-AT or any stationary artillery piece should be represented in this game by anything other than off-board attacks like this.

I really don't get what people find appealing about trundling a giant pseudo-terrain piece around slowly rolling dice, or situating a model in the corner of the board and never moving it.

Little bit off topic but out of interest, in the range section of that card, what does the 4- (then the target thing) mean?

11 minutes ago, VAYASAN said:

Little bit off topic but out of interest, in the range section of that card, what does the 4- (then the target thing) mean?

To infinity, and beyond!

Basically, the range is anywhere outside of range 3 of the attacker.

It's the same as the motar on the ATST.

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3 hours ago, ABXY said:

Basically, the range is anywhere outside of range 3 of the attacker.

With 4 red dice no less! Beats the heck out of the 3 white dice AT-ST mortar.

11 hours ago, TallGiraffe said:

What about a neutral terrain box with the turrets (Without the E-webs) be part of an objective or two.

That is what I've been saying!

Though an e-web could work too. Any adjacent unit could use it.

I've also suggested that the e-web be Legion’s first double sided gear upgrade. On one side you have a card that will reduce movement by one. And as an action you can deploy an E-web, then flip the card.

On this other side, when your troop leader is in base contact with the e-web, you can use it as your attack. Action to flip card and pack it up. When it is deployed, it is stationary.

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15 hours ago, TallGiraffe said:

What about a neutral terrain box with the turrets (Without the E-webs) be part of an objective or two.

Like the old Force Commander or Forces of Corruption, where you can capture a turret and use it on the enemy and if the enemy destroys it becomes possible to rebuild it and reuse it. Could be a lot of fun mechanism in there somewhere.

23 hours ago, Indy_com said:

If I can just redirect your attention to this product image:

HS_card_game_names.jpg

As you can see, this walker is called an AT-DT and is clearly a field howitzer on legs. Perfect for on table artillery.

The ever changing world of SW - your beastie looks different to this AT_DT

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which I always felt was a rip off of my favourite walker the AT-PT

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22 minutes ago, Deddog said:

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That's an AT-DP.

On 10/04/2018 at 2:00 PM, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before we see an Iconic E-Web release, but how would you guys feel about a Golan DF.9 Anti Infantry Battery or a Atgar 1.4 FD P-Tower or even an antiquated but functioning Gordarl LR1K Sonic Cannon supporting your Legions or softening up your opponent?

I've bought a couple of Imperial Terrain's DF9s, and very nice they are too - all I've got to do now is make up rules for them! :)

The AT-DT looks like an 8.8 cm flak 36 on legs. Interesting.

Fun facts

The AT - DP was created by Marvel Comics and was first seen as part of the Imperial forces that kept the Mandalorian people enslaved. The comic issue was from 1982 so predates Return of the Jedi

The AT - PT was a creation of West End Games and gained popularity when one was encountered onboard the Katana in Dark Force Rising.

2 hours ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

Fun facts

The AT - DP was created by Marvel Comics and was first seen as part of the Imperial forces that kept the Mandalorian people enslaved. The comic issue was from 1982 so predates Return of the Jedi


Really it's the concept art version of what became the AT-ST, from Joe Johnston for ESB, co-opted later as the design for a new type of walker. Marvel's incarnation would be the first place it really entered canon.

I kind of miss the dark ages of Star Wars fiction, when we got by pooling scraps of disparate info from comics and novels with a seemingly random spattering of authors and artists.

I love these classic designs, and hope we get a Legion kit for this bad boy one day.

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Edited by Tvayumat