5 hours ago, Kojib said:

a load of crates on the floor. Unit of rebels behind. If 50% of the unit is obscured by it, from line of sight of the attacking unit’s leader, they don’t get cover.

I haven’t read anywhere that the moment you’re in contact with anything you automatically get the cover? Else what’s the point in flanking/outmaneuvering?

craters: "are unique in that they only provide cover to minis that are fully within that terrain. Generally, unless these depressions are very deep, they provide cover only to trooper minis and not to vehicle minis [...] that depression is ignored when determining if a target mini is obscured. However, a trooper mini that is overlapping this type of terrain (positioned within a crater or inside a trench, for example) has cover, even if the terrain does not obscure half or more of the mini." (page 9)

Crates. Not craters.

5 hours ago, Big Easy said:

The email from the Lead Game Developer Alex Davy was an attempt to clarify the ambiguity between two parts of the RRG that seem to be in conflict (as @Contrapulator posted above). Before there were two references to cover in two sections of the RRG that did not reference one another. The email clarifies the process, regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees with the result.

As I've said elsewhere, I don't have a huge problem with someone wanting to wait until it's official in the RRG but the email confirms that the update is definitely coming so we might as well try to understand it.

Fantastic. I shall have to give these a go in the next match that I play.

5 minutes ago, Kojib said:

Fantastic. I shall have to give these a go in the next match that I play.

Sorry, I just saw in the post from you that I quoted that you are referring to 50% of a defending unit being obscured, not 50% of the volume of an individual mini sculpt (which is indeed the rule).

6 minutes ago, Big Easy said:

Sorry, I just saw in the post from you that I quoted that you are referring to 50% of a defending unit being obscured, not 50% of the volume of an individual mini sculpt (which is indeed the rule).

And you determine who is obscured only by whether that line from attacker to defender crosses over a piece of terrain. Right?

12 minutes ago, Kojib said:

And you determine who is obscured only by whether that line from attacker to defender crosses over a piece of terrain. Right?

Correct.

17 minutes ago, Kojib said:

And you determine who is obscured only by whether that line from attacker to defender crosses over a piece of terrain. Right?

According to Alex Davy, " If any part of a defending mini, including its base, is blocked by a piece of terrain or another mini , the player then traces an imaginary line from the center of the base of the attacker's unit leader to the center of the base of the defending mini."

So if the attacker can see the whole defending mini, there's no need to draw the imaginary line. It's not obstructed, regardless of any terrain between the units. This rule allows an AT-ST or a unit on top of building to see over terrain.

Ooh, centre to centre ? That's ugly. Edge to edge is easy. Now we're going to have 'discussions' about whether this imaginary line is actually in the centre of the base, or slightly off. Edge to Edge gives you a bit of wiggle room, but makes discussion of whether or not a model is in cover easier to resolve.

Is my scenic base legal?

1 hour ago, Rogue_Group1 said:

Is my scenic base legal?

Glue a jet pack on him, then use a meter long acrylic rod to boost him to the atmoshpere! Since you only check cover from the perspective of the top of the unit leader he should be able to spot everyone! As long as the rest of his unit (on sanded down wafer thin bases that have been heated and compressed to half size) are behind cover he will get his cover bonus. Added bonus, he can cross any kind of terrain with only a speed 1 reduction!

1 hour ago, Rogue_Group1 said:

Is my scenic base legal?

I forgot there are morons that like to take the 1-2 mm argument to 2-4 inches.

52 minutes ago, Alino said:

I forgot there are morons that like to take the 1-2 mm argument to 2-4 inches.

woosh

7 hours ago, Rogue_Group1 said:

woosh

Indeed. With the current rule set provided modification to increase height is all advantage. There’s no downside at all. Even more so for minis that already fail to benefit from most of the terrain for cover.

I would simply let people use scenic bases provided they also have a regular version of that miniature available for necessary referencing. OR use a system similar to Infinity's where you have a silhouette marker to verify line of sight and other rules.

8 hours ago, Rogue_Group1 said:

woosh

I think your little joke has speeder 2 and Alino is only at height 1.