And Thweek isn't 30pts, anyway, he's 33pts because you need to bid at least 3 if you're bringing him.

TBF I like Thweek for 25pts, 27 if you can afford Autothrusters. Just bring him to the table, copy Fenn's ability, profit.

12 hours ago, xanderf said:

*cough*

[longnose Falcon model pic]

I mean, if we don't have any announcement by next Friday (supposedly all tie-in toys will be announced by then - we're expecting another Imperial, too, after all), sure, then worry. At the moment, it seems pretty certain Scum is getting something.

Fair enough.

In general, I'm not giving anyone credit for presuming they might do something in the future. But FFG have said there's no plans for a new Epic any time soon, which has often meant a good deal of bits to play with in standard play.

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Also, would a Scum Falcon even be good? Rebel Falcon isn't even flown too much (Rey seems popular, but I don't hear about too many top wins with her. Chewie is #2 and below Whisper on Meta-Wing). But I guess a Falcon fills a new price point (presuming high 50s, low 60s like Rebel Falcon), which opens things up. Attanni Falcon + Asajj (start with the 40 point Parattanni version, maybe stick on one or two extras) might be better than a mindlinked Dengar/Asajj. Falcon + Ace probably works better than a current + Ace, since a solid mid-30s Thweek/Fenn/Guri is too cheap to pair with a Dengar or Asajj.

Or it might be good just because one of the biggest limitations on Dengar-ship is that he can't run Dengar-crew. A PS 9 Scum Han could fly with Dengar crew and Engine Upgrade and it'd be potent. Maybe. Again, we don't really see rebel Han.

It would depend on its stats almost entirely. But it would also depend on scaling back some of the worst excesses in Rebels. That comparison of Miranda and Asajj is never not going to be relevant until something about Miranda changes.

Miranda isn't going to ever stop being the best single ship in the game, nor is she ever going to stop being good at absolutely everything except green dice tanking, until something gets done about some or all of TLT, Sabine, bomblet, harpoon, and regen.

I beat a NuNuNuQD list, palp list with vesery and QD, 4 ps1 wookies list. With 4 ps1 Scurrg with long range scanners and inspiring recruit, at a store tourney. ( the tourney was a trophy tourney between 3 local game stores. each store fielded a team of three. Our team won. ) What the problem is?

2 minutes ago, JediSamurai said:

I beat a NuNuNuQD list, palp list with vesery and QD, 4 ps1 wookies list. With 4 ps1 Scurrg with long range scanners and inspiring recruit, at a store tourney. ( the tourney was a trophy tourney between 3 local game stores. each store fielded a team of three. Our team won. ) What the problem is?

The problem is that the plural of anecdote is not data.

Or to put it another way, I beat every single player I played against with Asajj Guri Sunny at Yavin, 8 wins out of 8 games.

But that doesn't mean anything in the broader scale of the game. The game is near-infinitely bigger than me.

On 4/9/2018 at 5:15 AM, thespaceinvader said:

I'm hoping she'll pair well with the Inevitable Scum Falcon.

The problem with Dengar is he doesn't leave a lot of room for asajj, despite being a **** good ship

...oh, you meant the yt-1300, a decidedly worse ship that is unlikely to have a pilot ability as more incredible than Dengar's without breaking the game

They're going to need to heavily change the Han Solo solo film (a smugglers tale) falcon if it's to have any place in scum

35 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Also, would a Scum Falcon even be good?

There have been more good 'movie wave' ships than bad ones, so one can hope

8 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

The problem with Dengar is he doesn't leave a lot of room for asajj, despite being a **** good ship

...oh, you meant the yt-1300, a decidedly worse ship that is unlikely to have a pilot ability as more incredible than Dengar's without breaking the game

They're going to need to heavily change the Han Solo solo film (a smugglers tale) falcon if it's to have any place in scum

Nah, the problem with Dengar is that he's just not all that good any more. Losing the droid and the torps basically killed his utility.

I'm of the opinion that scum need a solid support ship to tie lists together like Palp shuttle, Sheathepeidedede, Lowrick, or Manaroo/Biggs used to do. They don't have a cheap force multiplier anymore since the Attanni nerf where any ship with an EPT could do the job.

now a support ship is exactly what the Han Solo solo movie Yt-1300 should be

it is, in theory, how the ship was prior to when Han Solo made it a truly combat-capable vessel

it also distinguishes it from the jm5k and lancer pursuit class, if ffg does the right thing by giving it a mobile arc

5 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

now a support ship is exactly what the Han Solo solo movie Yt-1300 should be

it is, in theory, how the ship was prior to when Han Solo made it a truly combat-capable vessel

it also distinguishes it from the jm5k and lancer pursuit class, if ffg does the right thing by giving it a mobile arc

Give it a 2 dice mobile arc, without a primary arc, and let it also shoot out the front additionally if and only if the mini ship is docked.

If the mobile arc and miniship are both front facing, add their dice together.

Yeeeaaaaah.

The ficklegreendice campaign set

cardboard for mobile arcs x 4

rules for using mobile arcs on all PWTs (and turret upgrades) including free Title upgrades that give the ‘move mobile arc’ action to a ship’s Action bar. The title also allows more than one title to be used by the ships.

the title also precludes the use of primary weapons with primary arcs.

Special rule for BTL A4 Y-wings.

a set of green dice with 8 blanks.

2 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Give it a 2 dice mobile arc, without a primary arc, and let it also shoot out the front additionally if and only if the mini ship is docked.

If the mobile arc and miniship are both front facing, add their dice together.

Yeeeaaaaah.

I like that

makes it a nice and simple 0-point title without screwing around with the base rules for mobile arc (2-die primary, increase by 1 if your mobile arc is forward facing)

don't think we need more docked ships though

1 minute ago, GrimmyV said:

The ficklegreendice campaign set

cardboard for mobile arcs x 4

rules for using mobile arcs on all PWTs and turret upgrades including free Title upgrades that give the ‘move mobile arc’ action to a ship’s Action bar. The title also allows more than one title to be used by the ships.

a set of green dice with 8 blanks.

the expansion we all need

Oooh hey

What if the Scum Falcon comes with a whole new set of Rebel Falcon baseplates giving it a mobile arc.

I mean, if they were gonna do that they'd have done it in HotR, but a man can dream.

E: the docked ship is clearly going to happen, but I could see it being a Nashtah Pup-style upgrade for the falcon, rather than a separate ship in listbuilding. ALbeit I find that mechanic REALLY limiting.

I thought that's just where you put cargo on a yt1300

Though lando would probably have refurnished it as bachelor pad

Just now, ficklegreendice said:

I thought that's just where you put cargo on a yt1300

Though lando would probably have refurnished it as bachelor pad

That was one retcon for why it had forks, yeah.

.I'd be willing to bet there's a scene where Han jettisons it as chaff to block an incoming missile and we get a comic reaction from lando

It's either his room, the "master bedroom, wink", a winery, or a porn stash

16 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

The ficklegreendice campaign set

(...)

a set of green dice with 8 blanks.

Upon reading the first sentence I immediatdly thought

- a star wars lighter and a metal rack to burn ALL green dice ?

easier to complain than to get good......

Easier to deny evidence than change one's mind when presented with data that doesn't match one's anecdotes...

53 minutes ago, JediSamurai said:

easier to complain than to get good......

Are you willing to back that statement up? Put your money where your mouth is and prove it’s just about “getting good”? Still some big tournaments you can attend to prove your point.

There are some pretty powerful options that people just aren't playing right now. But for one Thweek (and Starvipers in general are pretty great), And the Kihraxz is also pretty slick with all the possible customization options. TLT Y-wings have only been displaced by the Just slightly better TLT Hwks with pulsed ray shield, boring to fly but crazy strong.

And as proven by the success of 3-4 bumpmasters, it's still a crazy strong ship. Dengar too, having a better QuickDraw ability along with more health and a better dial then the TIE SF makes him still one of the strongest options for the Scum.

A player in our area has had a ton of success utilizing basic Skyks with cannons and generic Kimogilas.

And last but certainly not least Scum Nym with Cad Bane riding on an Andrasta or Hwk wingman is nothing to scoff at either, being able to hurl a bomb forward, then fly into that bomb and use it for cover as well as a deterrent for your TLT bubble makes for a very deadly combo and is actually far stronger than Rebel Nym for the same cost.

So no I think they're doing pretty darn good right now. But different people different places and different opinions.

yeah, honestly I can't see why people see Dengar as subpar anymore given how utterly insane his ability still is

about the only area he really lacks in is the fact that the VCX Fenn combo is incredibly ******* stupid, but as soon as that's finally curtailed I don't see why an Expertise + CM dengar couldn't exceed in a competitive environment

still holding out for his hat trick at world's

8 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

yeah, honestly I can't see why people see Dengar as subpar anymore given how utterly insane his ability still is

about the only area he really lacks in is the fact that the VCX Fenn combo is incredibly ******* stupid, but as soon as that's finally curtailed I don't see why an Expertise + CM dengar couldn't exceed in a competitive environment

still holding out for his hat trick at world's

Do you genuinely think Dengar+something is better than both Rey Low and Dash Poe?