okay so we just got the new frostmarch and we came across the basillisk and toadify. I gotta say,,I think they are both crap cards. Cards like these make luck a huge part of the game. i don't like either one of them at all. i wish fantasyflight wouldn't make such bullcrap cards. it takes the fun out of the game. when cards like these are played, it comes down to just being lucky, and i don't think luck shouldn't be a major part of the game. These cards suck and i am not playing them!!! they should just make spells which say,,,roll 4 through 6 and you win the game,,why not just take the whole strategy part of the game out,,and just a roll the dice,,and whoever wins,,,wins the game. total crap cards

I don't agree.

The Basilisk makes the game a little more dangerous if you roll doubles.

We need this sort of cards..

The Toadify spell increase the toadiness in the game..

Both are plus points for me, and one of the best cards from the frostmarch expansion.

well everybody has an opinion,,,but like i said,,,why don't they just make spells and cards in which you roll,,,and if you roll 4, 5, or 6,,you win the game,,,cards like these take away from the whole idea of strategy!! total bs!!! i like to play and know that i didn't get lucky to have to win or lose. These cards are total luck cards. I am totally against them,,and feel they hurt the game. i guess if you want luck to be a main part of the game,,then you should play with them!!

fasteddy23 said:

Dude, have you played Talisman ? Luck is already a huge part of the game, from movement to card draw to combat, you name it, luck plays a major role. For one, you need to draw them in the first place, then for Toadify you need to attack another char in battle. If they are Toaded, they their stuff, but you can't take them for now, since you encountered the character, not the space. And being Toaded isn't the end of the game in most cases. And Toadings are too rare as it is (21 in 97 games for us). Basilisk adds much needed danger to the game. Once you get to around Str 8, you're pretty much untouchable. Enter Basilisk, even the bad-assest character can die. There needs to more of cards like Basilisk in Talisman, not less.

Horrible Black Void alternate ending remains my favourite Talisman card ever (from 2nd Edition Adventure expansion). With HBV, the first character to the Crown loses, so much for the runaway leader .

I think the Basilisk is awesome. We've only come across it when it was fairly easy to beat, but once a player rolled a 2 & a 1 and they felt they really dodged a bullet. So many movies have scenes where the guy is running away from a spray of bullets and we just accept that as normal, it's luck. Like Dam said, luck is massive in this game! We have yet to pull the Toadify card and I'm kind of bummed about that. You are totally right in the respect that we are all entitled to our opinions and there's lots about the game that I've altered to make it run better for us =) I think strategy is really only 50% of this game, what you choose to do, and at what time with whatever randomness fate has thrown at you. If you want raw strategy just play chess ;-p

lol ive been trying to get him to play chess, but he wont so i gave up. you guys are right though, talisman is as much luck as strategy. the strategy comes in as you decide where to go and what to try for, and luck usually decides if your plan works. you may end up changing plans as your luck changes. two thumbs up for toadify and basilisk. i guess i wont get to play now

one point. i think you can take the items from someone you just toaded. you encounter the character and the encounter causes them to the items. you can take a characters items and followers after you kill them. you have to encounter the character to fight them, which would normaly give you accsess to their stuff once youve killed them. in this case, the only difference is that you toad them b4 you roll dice........... im thinking that maybe since the toad dropped everything b4 combat, that the stuff does become part of the space.

I respect all your opinions,, and i'm entitled to my opinion! I think that toadify is way too strong of a spell! plain and simple,,it needs to be modified!! you only have a 17 percent chance to be toaded in other instant in the game. The City, Witch, and random spell all have a one in six chance to happen,,and the roller also has the opportunity to use a fate token in order to avoid it. With Toadify the opponent has a 50 percent chance of forcing you to become a toad,,and only a 17 percent chance of becoming a toad himself. And he is also able to use a fate if he doesn't hit on his first 50 percent chance. To me,, the numbers don't add up. the person who is being toadified is completely an underdog. But i do respect everybody's opinion,,and i'll play with it,,and just hope that i don't get toaded.

I wouldn't play it like that, on the off chance you are on the same square as someone who got turned into a Toad. I can see your logic, but it's after you defeat them in battle and you have to land on the space to get the loot. I would read that as after battle you have an opportunity to raid the corpse, this is before battle, if you even cast the spell, it might have been someone else who cast it! It's definitly up to interpretation and has never happened in any of my game sessions. Anyone who got Toaded, it's happened either remotly or they brought it on themselves

well...ed got snake-eyed by the basilisk with a ton of followers and objects on a 7/6 ogre. lol. then he toaded me later to win with like 20+ items.

in this case, you would always be on the same space because you cant cast toadify until your about to encounter a character

darthmax said:

That's the point. You can only take your reward from the other character, everything they had if you kill the character. But since you Toaded him, he has nothing to take. You got an easier battle, but will get less reward. Of course, eliminating a powerful character can be its own reward. And you can zap LoD with Toadify as well, making the task of defeating him by 8+ a lot easier.

If you want to Toad someone and take their stuff, Random Spell works, since it can be cast at any time, so land in a space with a char, zap Random, if they Toad themselves, then encounter space. If they don't, encounter char or space, depending on what you want to do.

lol fasteddie drew the basilisk again!. basilisk-2 ed-0