the Flotilla tabling was a little much, but for once i am in with agreement with a FAQ. A lot of it was needed.

20 minutes ago, Gottmituns205 said:

WE'VE GONE FAT FREE NOW!

Have you seen an ISD? Or a Liberty? Those things are fat.

Really though, this addresses most of my complaints with the game, and feel really good. I used Relay, and I will acknowledge it was stupid, and I probably shouldn't have been allowed to do what I did. I think all the Relay squadrons will still have a place and people will be encouraged to think of new ways to use flotillas (As they now have to join the fight)

In terms of the Flotilla nerf and people having three, you had your time in the sun, be happy (or sad) that it happened, not angry because it is over.

The hard cap is dumb and bad design, particularly when it comes as an errata a year and a half after the expansion released. How many people have bought more than 2 flots that are now wasted money? The tabling rule was enough, this is just hitting the same thing twice, which is likely to lead to issues down the road.

1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:

@Ardaedhel They've nerfed your list

No, this is a huge buff to my list. I've been dropping the third flotilla to pay for fleetwide EWS recently anyway, and tabling is the only way I get big wins against squadron lists--this makes that consistently possible.

THE DAY OF THE SHRIMP SWARM IS UPON YOU

AND THE THIRD ANGEL BROKE THE SEAL, AND BEHOLD, A PLAGUE OF SHRIMP FELL UPON KUAT, AND THERE WAS FIRE AND ASH AND FEAR

MC30 still the best ship in the game.

I find it interesting that they did not change the text of Centicore (Artiquens title).

It's not technically relay, but it acts like it. I wonder if the fact it's close-medium of this capital ship that is the difference.

1 minute ago, SoonerTed said:

I find it interesting that they did not change the text of Centicore (Artiquens title).

It's not technically relay, but it acts like it. I wonder if the fact it's close-medium of this capital ship that is the difference.

probably. It also hasn't ben a meta staple, so it may get nerfed later.

1 minute ago, SoonerTed said:

I find it interesting that they did not change the text of Centicore (Artiquens title).

It's not technically relay, but it acts like it. I wonder if the fact it's close-medium of this capital ship that is the difference.

Probably is.

I think so much of the flotilla/relay change is about how the game looks on the table as well as for actual gameplay issues. Having a ship just head completely away to just issue Maarek Jendon kill orders just looks bad for outside observers.

Don't make my mistake and read the previous FAQ on the Armada page and be thinking "man I've seen all this $H!T before".

Turns out there's a new "Upcoming FAQ" selection.

2 minutes ago, draco193 said:

I think so much of the flotilla/relay change is about how the game looks on the table as well as for actual gameplay issues. Having a ship just head completely away to just issue Maarek Jendon kill orders just looks bad for outside observers.

Definitely.

I don't personally feel that Relay was particularly too strong, but half a fleet just sort of... meandering off... was rather silly.

Just have to say those changes were on point. Can't really complain about any of them.

One new question though (maybe 2)

Centercore, it isn't affected by the Relay Nerf so will it get played more? (probably not)

Related to that can another ship use Relay through Centercore. As written I'd say no but maybe it should. Minor question in the grand scheme really.

So the relay-nerf may have made a 3-point title for the Artiquens that's never used new life. That's a good nerf.

Important to note: these aren't effective until the 23RD of April, so any tournament until them uses the old rules. Every tournament after that however, will use these documents.

It always amuses me to watch the tournament WAAC people's heads explode when changes like this come to a game.

4 minutes ago, Thrindal said:

5 minutes ago, SoonerTed said:

Relay through Centicore [activating ships via a shuttle that is in close-med range of Centicore ] sounds like an abuse of the intent of this FAQ. Now, using Centicore as written? I think that should be allowed.

I disagree. It makes sense thematically, and it still requires a capital ship to be somewhat close to the battle, unlike before. An abuse of the rule would be to try to chain relays from squadron to squadron.

Edit to add: And I say that as someone who rarely flies Imperial, and as someone who has been a proponent of this change to Relay for a long time.

****, they brought the nerf bat down hard. It seems to me that all of people’s problems are solved.

Relay was broken from the get go, ANYTHING that allows a fleet to sit in the back and honestly not play is broken in my book.

Essentially relay heavy lists were tar and feather lists...beat someone to death from the back and by the time they get to you your small ships can just beat the snot outta them.

58 minutes ago, Sybreed said:

AH! Well, I never played more than 2 flotillas anyway. I feel bad for those who bought 4 or 5, but hey, that's what you get for abusing game mechanics xD

WAAC tax has been paid by some.

3 minutes ago, stonestokes said:

I disagree. It makes sense thematically, and it still requires a capital ship to be somewhat close to the battle, unlike before. An abuse of the rule would be to try to chain relays from squadron to squadron.

I meant from ANOTHER ship besides Centicore.

Floatilla A activates via Centicore's title and then tries to activate a squad that is beyond close-medium of Centicore, but has a shuttle in close medium of Centicore.

Lack of sleep means lack of clarity in my writing.

(Of course Centicore can use a shuttle to relay, I just meant no piggy-backing the relay through Centicore)

I understood that. I think that should be allowed. Centicore has a bridge station dedicated to coordinating fighters, so they relay the command to a Lambda shuttle, who in turn relays the command to the TIE fighter squadron that they are escorting.

Kind of like AWACS for aircraft carriers.

1 hour ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Somebody's got 11 Gozanti's on sale now in Germany...

For me it is not 11, only 6 .
Thanks god i didn't made the 13 Gozanti list.

Still a nice change with a bad timing. 3 weeks before worlds and such a change. This will really affect a lot of lists.

The nurf to flotilla's be like:

2 minutes ago, stonestokes said:

I understood that. I think that should be allowed. Centicore has a bridge station dedicated to coordinating fighters, so they relay the command to a Lambda shuttle, who in turn relays the command to the TIE fighter squadron that they are escorting.

But by the rules, it is not. The text of Centicore says other ships may activate squads that are in CLOSE-MEDIUM of Centicore only. When you use relay on a Shuttle, you are not ACTIVATING it.

Just now, Tokra said:

For me it is not 11, only 6 .
Thanks god i didn't made the 13 Gozanti list.

Still a nice change with a bad timing. 3 weeks before worlds and such a change. This will really affect a lot of lists.

I can think of one list in particular that got hit super hard. I feel bad for him.

1 minute ago, SoonerTed said:

But by the rules, it is not. The text of Centicore says other ships may activate squads that are in CLOSE-MEDIUM only of Centicore . When you use relay on a Shuttle, you are not ACTIVATING it.

Sure, it probably isn't allowed. I guess I'm the one having difficulty being clear. I mean that I want it to be allowed. It should be for both thematic reasons and game play reasons. IMO