The Worlds Doldrums

By ThatJakeGuy, in Imperial Assault Skirmish

2 hours ago, Fightwookies said:

Speaking of Wookies, Gaarkhan fits the original question pretty well. His charge ability and ability to do multiple attacks should be really great, but the health/damage don’t match the cost. I love his ability to self focus for his second attack also. He’d be fine in a Wookie list If he cost 5.

Gaark was the first hero I ran in campaign. Had so much fun with him. Was hoping it would translate to skirmish, but it just did not.

Yeah, actually he feels almost exactly right at 5 points. Similar to Jarrod/J4X-7 or Jyn -- a bit glass cannon-y, low-to-mid survivability, swingy offensive potential.

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A Little more Wookiee never hurt the game.

Edited by buckero0
2 hours ago, buckero0 said:

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A Little more Wookiee never hurt the game.

That guy is going to need a LOT more health if you don’t want him to gather dust next to Garkhann.

Or a decrease in cost which would probably be better. Really cool concept though.

Edited by TheUnsullied
On 4/8/2018 at 3:40 AM, DerBaer said:

The Dewbacks just lack a reroll

I think the dewback's issue is Nal Hutta. Drop that and Terro/Dewback Jet lists have a place. They really just need a map that it doesn't take 2 activations to get into the action and isn't filled with difficult terrain.

19 hours ago, TheUnsullied said:

That guy is going to need a LOT more health if you don’t want him to gather dust next to Garkhann.

You sure, he looks like he has everything a wookie ever wanted. 13 health with a black die is more than Han. I'm in haha.

I've played him a few times and he tends to hold his own. He has a lot of stuff built in. One time bowcaster, free move with attack, reroll, pierce evade and surge after a few shots. He also has pretty choice traits, Hunter, Brawler and Wookiee (which will continue to get upgraded)

Try him out. I'm looking for a balance to the game not power creep.

Edited by buckero0

At 3 points less than Vader and tied for points with Han I don’t see how he could make back his points without an extra attack. On top of that he’s only rolling 2 dice. I’d drop a red and give him green and an auto focus on attack.

He just seems like a better Boba in that the best call would be to avoid him and let him get his one attack off per round.

Edited by TheUnsullied

Before @ThatJakeGuy despairs that his thread has been derailed :P , I really wanted Davith to be good when he came out. Stealthy and Cut and Run are great and Fell Swoop brings a lot to the table, but he doesn't put out much damage at all, and like all Force Users (not named Vader, and less so Luke) they die so easily since they have to be all up in the combat.

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On 4/8/2018 at 1:37 PM, LordDraigo1 said:

Royal Guard Champion is among the top of my "want to be better"

Right there with you on this one!

I've always wished that I could play with Biv (and also that he was better in the campaign, but that's for another forum)

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I love both of his abilities, especially Into the Fray which rewards an aggressive play style (which is my favourite way to play). Unfortunately, even adding that block isn't going to do much when you've only got eight health. His surges are pretty weak-sauce as well for such an expensive figure - what's the point of an accuracy surge when your whole shtick is getting up close and personal?

It's a shame, both because I love his abilities and because I think he's just so cool as a character concept.

Edited by ManateeX

Biv at 6pts is similar to Onar, not quite as good, but similar in punch and sometimes staying power (depends on the attack and he should get a free combat suit)

Davith, I've thought about using with ForceJump and some other newer cards to get movement over foes and then smack them. He can't go against Vader, but he's great at grabbing objectives, hitting smaller figures and finishing off figures. Just don't expect him to do too much.

6 hours ago, buckero0 said:

Just don't expect him to do too much.

At 6 points I'm looking for much more than a single objective grabber that has finishing ability. 1-2 damage an attack is just worth it. You pretty much need to use fell swoop each activation, which means the likelihood of getting the Peirce is unlikely. Maybe on the second attack, but you have to ensure you get the hide back for your next attack. It's not uncommon that I only do damage on the second attack, of which 3 is a reason to celebrate. Not worth my points. I would argue 3 alliance smugglers are the way to go of you are going to spend 6pts on objective runners.

Just to continue the dialog, my emphasis was on the word "too". I expect him to do damage. The other reason to take him is for the Spy and Force User traits. I said he can be used as a grabber if for example your list contains Ahsoka and JLuke, he doesn't have to be a damage dealer. When they go down or need support, he can use the cards like Force Surge and Deathblow and he's a great target for Deflection.

Force Jump seems made for him (move and then hop over the box of figures) and even pummel (4 attacks does something)

Definetly ISB infiltrators. Very innovative and thematic figure - introduction of Deadly, spy trait with cool cards, very tactical bonus attack mechanic, self hide and the best imperial "troop" miniatures ever made! Just not enough kick :(

Edited by Szycha
On 4/8/2018 at 5:34 PM, buckero0 said:

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A Little more Wookiee never hurt the game.

I just don't know that I would run him over Shyla if that was my goal. 2 fewer points for 1 fewer health, threaten 8 spaces (Shyla has shenanigans) Bowcaster can miss at 3 range, so you'd probably just want to melee attack. Shyla's base attack is better. Focused is fairly similar and the surged focus is better for the wookie. I mean, you could run both, but Shyla doesn't get much play as is and she's cheaper. I really like the idea, I think he could fit in, but yeah, I would have some reservations, I would give the Bowcaster +3 accuracy (or a surge for +3 accuracy), making it so you can one time get an attack that's out of range (or even a one time free action). I think if he was 8 points and 12 health like Shyla that list could be really interesting. But 10 points for a single attack a round is really tough to swallow.

Like said before, the idea is really interesting and not far off.

On 2018. 04. 09. at 1:34 AM, buckero0 said:

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A Little more Wookiee never hurt the game.

I would change attack pool to red green yellow and add surge:stun, recover 2, but remove blind fury. And Elite.

Instead of bowcaster he could have: Net gun-> perform a ranged attack with -2 damage and +6Accuracy. Push the target 2 spaces and it becomes weakened and has its speed reduced to 2.

This doesn't count towards attack limit but you may not attack another enemy until the target is defeated.

Edited by NagyLaci
On 4/10/2018 at 8:15 AM, wannabepudge said:

I really wanted Davith to be good when he came out. Stealthy and Cut and Run are great and Fell Swoop brings a lot to the table, but he doesn't put out much damage at all, and like all Force Users (not named Vader, and less so Luke) they die so easily since they have to be all up in the combat.

Completely agree with this. I feel like just adding a green die (auto-focus?) to his attack pool would pretty much fix this guy. Thoughts?

15 minutes ago, leacher said:

Completely agree with this. I feel like just adding a green die (auto-focus?) to his attack pool would pretty much fix this guy. Thoughts?

Red die I think, just to make his pool same as Obi-Wan

23 minutes ago, Golan Trevize said:

Red die I think, just to make his pool same as Obi-Wan

He would be crazy good with that pool. Not even Luke rolls Obi-Wan dice. Maybe he should roll B-G-Y?

Would definitely be fun and interesting to test out.

19 minutes ago, leacher said:

He would be crazy good with that pool. Not even Luke rolls Obi-Wan dice. Maybe he should roll B-G-Y?

Would definitely be fun and interesting to test out.

Red would be good for sure. In most situations, on the first attack you are probably still having to decide between surging for Cut and Run or the Pierce 3, where Obi doesn't have that decision. Might still be ok.

At the end of the day, I'd take any additional dice haha.

28 minutes ago, leacher said:

He would be crazy good with that pool. Not even Luke rolls Obi-Wan dice. Maybe he should roll B-G-Y?

Would definitely be fun and interesting to test out.

He gets a lot better if you give him more surges because of the extra attack and the hidden condition. A red die would add very little surge and give him the extra damage he needs. Alternatively I would go for G-G-G and "1 surge for 2 damage + hide".

actually a free reroll would help him out. I think his surges are fine and getting 2 attacks is pretty bonkers for a 6pt, movement 5, cut and run specialist with Pierce 3 as a surge. I don't want him to be over powered. Pick your targets more carefully.

I would prefer a free reroll or movement 6 over adding dice like every other figure these days (seriously everything has 3 dice now almost.)