3 hours ago, llamaman88 said:

I wouldn't expect the Wasp and Centipede to stay independent. They have Mantis clan fans just as much as other fans hate that it happened. But I do think it will be handled better by FFG since they know it's such a controversial bit of the old lore. I wouldn't mind what people are suggesting, I just think the Tsuruchi at the very least are as iconic to the great clan as the yoritomo themselves. i'll give the centipede and fox weren't used well at all, but hopefully they can be this time.

Personally, so long as the Tsuruchi appear in the game in some way, I don't particularly care if the become part of the Mantis, remain independent Wasp, or None of the above!

1 hour ago, JJ48 said:

Personally, so long as the Tsuruchi appear in the game in some way, I don't particularly care if the become part of the Mantis, remain independent Wasp, or None of the above!

Tsuruchi

Undead - Shadowlands

It sounds like that's what you're asking for and I'm totally down with that!

5 hours ago, llamaman88 said:

I wouldn't expect the Wasp and Centipede to stay independent. They have Mantis clan fans just as much as other fans hate that it happened. But I do think it will be handled better by FFG since they know it's such a controversial bit of the old lore. I wouldn't mind what people are suggesting, I just think the Tsuruchi at the very least are as iconic to the great clan as the yoritomo themselves. i'll give the centipede and fox weren't used well at all, but hopefully they can be this time.

If they remain a part of the Alliance, then I have no issues with the Minor Clans joining together and showing up those Great Clans. It was when they merged together as the Mantis that things eventually went bad. They just seemed to look at the people and say "Mantis Clan equals Yoritomo family"

Not that the Mantis were alone in having that sort of rubbish shoved on to them, it was just more jarring to those like me who got into this game and joined the Alliance just on seeing cards like Mukami and Tsuruchi

I think this is appropriate.