18 minutes ago, DarkHorse said:

Honored General is a Commander.

Yes, Lion has 3 commanders (H. General, Gifted Tactician and Ikoma Tsanuri). It has very good synergy with Tsanuri (for the buff) and Gifted Tactician (to draw a card) Also good with General for the buff, but the Honoring part is redundant on him.

For splash, only two other clans has commanders: Scorpion with Bayushi Yunako and Unicorn with Shono. Although I can see some synergy with Shono, for the buff, I’m not sure if it’s worth a splash just for the moving effect and the possibility of honoring just one character in your entire deck.

6 hours ago, Tabris2k said:

Not bad.

Maybe splashable for Unicorn, another way to move characters to a conflict? So they can get their numerical advantage. Although their only commander is Shono, right?

I want to like this card but sadly I'm not sure its worth it. For best effect you need to be behind on characters and moving the body in would help win the fight so I guess it would be solid for a General or a Tsanuri to boost a swarm, but then if you are boosting your swarm odds are you aren't behind on characters so can't play it to begin with.

Main use i can see for it is getting double use out of a bowed character as a defender to avoid honor hit for not defending on a province you don't care if it breaks. Given the limited uses not sure it makes the cut for that case alone.

Now if this straightened the character you were assigning it would be a very different argument and there would be no question of including it.

It has some neat applications for an honor deck as it can prevent you losing unoppsed and honor a commander that it about to die anyways so you can gain some honor.

I don't see it as being worth trying to combo with seal of the lion, certainly not for Unicorn since they are commander light and already have a stronghold that does this.......which many people are likely going to abandon once they have a new stronghold.

2 hours ago, Tabris2k said:

Yes, Lion has 3 commanders (H. General, Gifted Tactician and Ikoma Tsanuri). It has very good synergy with Tsanuri (for the buff) and Gifted Tactician (to draw a card) Also good with General for the buff, but the Honoring part is redundant on him.

For splash, only two other clans has commanders: Scorpion with Bayushi Yunako and Unicorn with Shono. Although I can see some synergy with Shono, for the buff, I’m not sure if it’s worth a splash just for the moving effect and the possibility of honoring just one character in your entire deck.

There is a spoiled 4 cost 4/2 commander, we dont know its glory yet, if it is 2 or more things start to become interesting..

2 hours ago, Tabris2k said:

Yes, Lion has 3 commanders (H. General, Gifted Tactician and Ikoma Tsanuri). It has very good synergy with Tsanuri (for the buff) and Gifted Tactician (to draw a card) Also good with General for the buff, but the Honoring part is redundant on him.

For splash, only two other clans has commanders: Scorpion with Bayushi Yunako and Unicorn with Shono. Although I can see some synergy with Shono, for the buff, I’m not sure if it’s worth a splash just for the moving effect and the possibility of honoring just one character in your entire deck.

The upcoming Matsu Mitsuko is also a 4 cost unique cavalry commander. With some form of innate movement. There might be some good synergy to move her in and then pulling in someone else.

17 minutes ago, Schmoozies said:

I want to like this card but sadly I'm not sure its worth it. For best effect you need to be behind on characters and moving the body in would help win the fight so I guess it would be solid for a General or a Tsanuri to boost a swarm, but then if you are boosting your swarm odds are you aren't behind on characters so can't play it to begin with.

Main use i can see for it is getting double use out of a bowed character as a defender to avoid honor hit for not defending on a province you don't care if it breaks. Given the limited uses not sure it makes the cut for that case alone.

Now if this straightened the character you were assigning it would be a very different argument and there would be no question of including it.

Yes, I think this will be a boon to honor running Lion decks. As you said, it will mostly be used on defense but even so I like having the option to use it on offense as well. It could have some other good utility with Seal of the Lion. Being able to move in Toturi (Why wasn't he a Commander in the first place? I also think Hotaru should have been a duelist.) or Ujiaki can pull in some surprises. If used right, it can be the switch to some bait. Commit one character to attack, use WotL or Lo1 to boost mil against a single defender, or if they commit a lot to defense then you can swing in another character.

Even without the commander trait, it can move a character, so Toturi and Ujiaki can pull off their abilities. Implacable Magistrate, Vengeful Oathkeeper, LPB, Master of the Spear, all have abilities that could be useful on an attack that gets away from you. Coupled with Ready for Battle it might reverse some send home and bow effects that are annoying to deal with.

ETA: I just realized another use. If you have a Commander already in a conflict, and their are already more opposing personalities, you can still use this card to just honor that Commander. I am seeing some combos with ALo1 and Gifted Tactician. Not as good a use as WotC is for Crane, but there have been games if I could just honor another personality it could make a difference. There is much honor control during military conflicts.

Posted in Breath of Kami thread as well -

Another Breath of the Kami spoiler

Sacred Sanctuary

Temple

Air Province (Dragon)

Reaction: After a conflict is declared against this province, ready a Monk character you control. Until the end of conflict, opponent's cards cannot bow it and it does not bow from conflict resolution.

Can we PLEASE get that province somehow as a full art card? ? so beautiful!

Found these today while re-reading the Breath of the Kami article:

1 minute ago, Mangod said:

Found these today while re-reading the Breath of the Kami article:

That offer is basically give me an honor lol

46 minutes ago, BayushiFugu said:

That offer is basically give me an honor lol

So, an offer you can't refuse, (to give an honor.)

Hello Backhanded Compliment number 4 and 5.

Beyond straight dishonor decks, Deceptive Offer is going to be very good for aggressive decks that self inflict honor loss on themselves.

2 minutes ago, Ishi Tonu said:

Beyond straight dishonor decks, Deceptive Offer is going to be very good for aggressive decks that self inflict honor loss on themselves.

So, like the new Scorpion deck style coming in their clan pack? Lovely. ?

8 minutes ago, Kaito Kikaze said:

So, like the new Scorpion deck style coming in their clan pack? Lovely. ?

Lol, honestly I've already forgotten about that stronghold since I see no reason to switch from City of the Broken errr I mean Open Hand.

I was thinking more about a honor bigger for corrupt Crab decks using Spread the Darkness.

Oops double trouble

I have updated this with today's article, the partial Dragons from the podcast advert and a couple of sneaky Scorpions that have showed up.

Interestingly, we now have 4 of the 7 creatures: a Crab Nezumi, a Dragon Troll (!?!), a Phoenix Ningyo and a Unicorn Naga. If they're going with the traditional 5 allied ancient races, plus Naga and Nezumi, the 3 missing are Kenku, Kitsu and Zokujin. Crane and Kenku have been strongly linked in the past, and I think that's reasonable. The Kitsu and the Lion go back a long way, but they're extinct in the other timeline. Maybe they are not here? Which would leave the Scorpion and the Zokujin, a slightly odd combinatino, until you realise that the Scorpion mostly control the mountain range across the middle.

9 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I have updated this with today's article, the partial Dragons from the podcast advert and a couple of sneaky Scorpions that have showed up.

Interestingly, we now have 4 of the 7 creatures: a Crab Nezumi, a Dragon Troll (!?!), a Phoenix Ningyo and a Unicorn Naga. If they're going with the traditional 5 allied ancient races, plus Naga and Nezumi, the 3 missing are Kenku, Kitsu and Zokujin. Crane and Kenku have been strongly linked in the past, and I think that's reasonable. The Kitsu and the Lion go back a long way, but they're extinct in the other timeline. Maybe they are not here? Which would leave the Scorpion and the Zokujin, a slightly odd combinatino, until you realise that the Scorpion mostly control the mountain range across the middle.

Actually Lion/Zokujin would make a fair amount of sense since they were enslaved by the Lion (depending on who you believed, but really the Iknoma would never try and twist a story so that the Lion looked better in offering their protection for servitude) and used as cheap labour force for mining in the old version of the game.

Scorpion you could give a variant of the nothing to set up that antagonist.

10 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I have updated this with today's article, the partial Dragons from the podcast advert and a couple of sneaky Scorpions that have showed up.

Interestingly, we now have 4 of the 7 creatures: a Crab Nezumi, a Dragon Troll (!?!), a Phoenix Ningyo and a Unicorn Naga. If they're going with the traditional 5 allied ancient races, plus Naga and Nezumi, the 3 missing are Kenku, Kitsu and Zokujin. Crane and Kenku have been strongly linked in the past, and I think that's reasonable. The Kitsu and the Lion go back a long way, but they're extinct in the other timeline. Maybe they are not here? Which would leave the Scorpion and the Zokujin, a slightly odd combinatino, until you realise that the Scorpion mostly control the mountain range across the middle.

I'd probably expect them to go with Goryo for the Scorpion, since I don't recall them ever having any major relationship with the Zokujin. Granted, this is based on the old CCG, so I might just be talking nonsense.

3 minutes ago, Mangod said:

I'd probably expect them to go with Goryo for the Scorpion, since I don't recall them ever having any major relationship with the Zokujin. Granted, this is based on the old CCG, so I might just be talking nonsense.

I'm pretty sure that the magazine article specifically talked about each clan having an ally from one of the races of ancient creatures.

1 minute ago, Mangod said:

I'd probably expect them to go with Goryo for the Scorpion, since I don't recall them ever having any major relationship with the Zokujin. Granted, this is based on the old CCG, so I might just be talking nonsense.

That could make sense as well, do something in line with Bayushi Urei

What if they went with a Tsuno for one of the clans? Maybe as Scorpion's creature? Or Lion could have it, since there's that connection.

2 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I'm pretty sure that the magazine article specifically talked about each clan having an ally from one of the races of ancient creatures.

I just checked the article, and it doesn't say specifically whether the Kitsu are still alive in this timeline; assuming that they are, then I'd go with the Kitsu being in Lion and the Zokujin going to the Scorpion, but if the Kitsu are extinct, then it would leave us one "ancient race" short, unless we throw an Ogre into the setting alongside the Naga.

Bog Hags and goblins would be good for Scorpion....

Or some other trickster spirit like a kitsune.

15 minutes ago, Kakita Shiro said:

Or some other trickster spirit like a kitsune.

Kitsune are too honorable for the Scorpion. Plus you know the whole Fox clan might lose it if one of their associated spirits got co-opted by the Scorpion.