7 hours ago, Tabris2k said:

Dude, really? That’s your answer to every card you fell is too OP?

”Duty should be restricted before release”

”Maze of Illusion should go in the restricted right away”

[I’m gonna reserve this space for the next Scorpion card you don’t like]

At least, let them see some action before asking to ban them.

What other method of regulating the card pool is there?

At least if it does become restricted it'd give me something to consider taking over Iron Mine. Which'd be kinda good since I want to try Hiruma Outpost but am not really willing to give up the card draw of Imperial Storehouse.

2 hours ago, Kaito Kikaze said:

How 'bout that new Scorpion 3 drop that makes you discard a conflict card every time you lose honor. What was Scorpion's specialty again? Wasn't it...making your opponent lose honor?

Sad thing is, it might even be worth it to the Scorp DH mill deck to run Oracle of Stone just to make your opponent discard even faster.

That'd only be relevant in the mirror match. No one else draws enough cards to conflict mill before they'd just lose to dishonor anyway.

Plus, he's a 3-cost which means he'd be displacing auto includes like Favored Niece and Shosuro Actress.

I think a card giving the Scorpion (and for that matter, other clans) a way to modify their dial is an interesting mechanic, but I personally do not enjoy the sort of “hey guess if I’m thinking evens or odds” mind game Maze of Illusion requires. But I might still run it in a Phoenix deck anyway.

Harpoon shenanigans with Formal Invitation should be fun. I look forward to using Isawa Mori Seido to attach it to Marauding Oni just for laughs (even though I know he can’t be brought into political conflicts.) I suppose there are more practical targets, though.

Ebb and Flow preview is in 4 days. Hopefully carddb will update the Earth pack by then, seeing as it will be released a week from then.

12 hours ago, HamHamJ2 said:

This is literally not true as the player choosing is basically also choosing between odd and even.

Which is also not true because you have to factor in questions of "Do I want my honor bid to be lower or higher then my opponents? And if so, by how much?" Depending on that this might not be possible to choose among both configurations

23 minutes ago, Baer said:

Which is also not true because you have to factor in questions of "Do I want my honor bid to be lower or higher then my opponents? And if so, by how much?" Depending on that this might not be possible to choose among both configurations

Obviously but that requires a very specific situation, like having bid 4 and they want to ICS or needing 5 to win a conflict with that new card. I think those will not be as common as the situation were both 4 and 5 are fine and you end up having to guess.

And I've updated the OP again.

Soooo.... Maze of ilusion or another card you have to dance de hokey pokey...... You watch all the circus around the card and.... Voice of honor, forged edict or censure.

But I would love to see

Bayushi Tangen

When bayushi Tangen enter a duel you and your opponent spin without see the honor dial

The problem with the card is that the effect is such a blow out when you get it right, which can cause some really swingy game losses against it when you have the upper hand. It also threatens dishonour too, so can effectively function as a burn card. Remember when Mirumoto's Fury was a problem? This works on attack too.

We have to wait and see, the card is unfortunately designed to be polarizing too. Your'e going to get accounts of blowout games and games where it was worthy of a coaster. Even if you're setting up for dial shenanigans, there might be a possibility to be outplayed there, can't set to 5 if your opponent has 5 for I can Swim. But I do think it will be bonkers out of Phoenix.

I do wonder if the game is going to escalate to one where everyone gets bows and unbows (like the old game), making cards like this the norm and possibility less optimal in comparison. That would make a slow game even slower, unfortunately.

I was pretty dismissive of Maze at the start but I guess setting up I Can Swim is good.

If you already have your ICS target dishonored, you can maze a second target. Whether it goes off or not you can still play ICS. If it goes off you probably win the conflict as well.

It will probably get better with more dial mechanics. If there’s a « when you and your opponent have the same number on the dial », then the mind games are on. I know there’s also Misinformation that’s a counter swarm but it’s even harder to setup.

I guess it would go better in a lower cost concflict deck if you go heavy Dynasty and play ICS rather than AFWTD? Not sure what I would slot out for this though. I guess Scorpion pack will shuffle things a bit more

You would require to pay the Fate cost though right?

Yes, still paying costs. Can always mill them 1 though. Mill hasn't been much of a thing so far, but the more options it gets, the better it looks. 5 honor is often a game in itself.

I truly believe if Scorpion wants a mill deck, they'll be able to build one either after this cycle or after their clan pack. they're also getting that new character that has unlimited discard every time your opponent loses honor (and it's ruled to count if they're paying you honor). I'd probably go with Phoenix splash to run Oracle of Stone as well, unless more/better mill options show up.

I was looking at the spoilers and realised that I think we're still waiting for a Podcast spoiler:

• Jade Throne did Crab
• The Void Pirates did Crane
• Troll5R did Dragon
• Imperial Advisor did Lion
• 6th Ring did Unicorn

That means there are theoretically Phoenix and Scorpion spoilers still due. Unless the Breath of the Kami shinobi business was the Scorpion. In which case, someone somewhere has 2 Phoenix cards to show us!

3 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I was looking at the spoilers and realised that I think we're still waiting for a Podcast spoiler:

• Jade Throne did Crab
• The Void Pirates did Crane
• Troll5R did Dragon
• Imperial Advisor did Lion
• 6th Ring did Unicorn

That means there are theoretically Phoenix and Scorpion spoilers still due. Unless the Breath of the Kami shinobi business was the Scorpion. In which case, someone somewhere has 2 Phoenix cards to show us!

The question who are the Phoenix and Scorpion aligned podcasts that are missing as at this point the five mentioned are the big ones (unless I'm forgetting someone that has been on Hiatus for a while)

4 minutes ago, Schmoozies said:

The question who are the Phoenix and Scorpion aligned podcasts that are missing as at this point the five mentioned are the big ones (unless I'm forgetting someone that has been on Hiatus for a while)

I'm not really a listener of podcasts (don't have the time). Do you know whether they are sent out unsolicited, or if people need to go ask?

1 minute ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I'm not really a listener of podcasts (don't have the time). Do you know whether they are sent out unsolicited, or if people need to go ask?

I'm not directly involved so can't say for sure but I would guess they are sent out semi-solicited. Most of the noted podcasts make a point of trying to interact on a regular basis with FFG by having guests related to the game or story teams on a semi-regular basis and I'm sure have a fair bit of back and forth with the company.

Art of Warcast

New preview on a French language L5R site:

https://rokugang.wordpress.com/2018/06/26/le-miroir-de-kachiko-combat-acharne/

Rough translation:

Quote

Furious Battle
0 Fate
Event

Water Role only.
Action : At a Military conflict, if you control the more participating characters than your opponent, choose a participating non-Unique character - Bow that character.

Theme of the cycle: Bow central.

Also, these role locked cards are really exacerbating the whole role issue. As before, we were competing for province line-up and ring influence. While this adds more stakes to the roles, ultimately the winner will still probably have the best role and the last place clan will be left with further crumbs. It doesn't get too exciting when top clans will only dance between their 1st and 2nd choice every year, I'm sure that's what FFG would like to avoid.

The solution is easy: let players build decks with whatever role they want.

The ideal situation but then what are players competing for at Worlds?

Just now, Hordeoverseer said:

The ideal situation but then what are players competing for at Worlds?

Literally anything else? Story choices?

30 minutes ago, Khudzlin said:

The solution is easy: let players build decks with whatever role they want.

Yes. At first glance, at the beginning of the game it was ok with the role choices but with 2 or 3 year every clan will have more option.

Its like I play hida berserker and the winner was a kaiu engineer or yasuki, surely each one will have a "optimal" role

34 minutes ago, Khudzlin said:

The solution is easy: let players build decks with whatever role they want.

The issue with this is that it leads to far too many decks and their province rows looking exactly the same, I mean do you honestly think given the choice anyone would be passing up Feast or Famine right now. Only question would be do you take Seeker economy or Keeper for character recursion and Talisman splash.