I recently revised one of the spoilers of the phoenix clan and look what I found instead of doji shigueru.

The shadow come back

This card is broke AF. It's a 4/4 for 2 via conflict as long as it's not nuetral

Interesting. Possibly a packing error. Watermark for the next cycle, I imagine. 3 glory is interesting. 2 fate for a 4/4 is certainly worth paying attention to, but it eats at the precious character slots in the conflict deck for Scorpion. Dangerous surprise with Calling in Favors, though! I think being a shinobi, shinobi-focused decks will make room for her. Not sure how frequently she'll be come dishonored though. You'd have to go out of your way to make it happen yourself, which could easily be worth the trouble. Good protection against Court Games, though.

Edit: ah, I misunderstood the OP. New spoilers are always welcome

Are those meant to be Shadow brands on her arm?

4 hours ago, Daigotsu Arashi said:

I recently revised one of the spoilers of the phoenix clan and look what I found instead of doji shigueru.

The shadow come back

This character should have been a Neutral.

Secondly, ffs FFG, reallly??!!!! Yet another Conflict character for Scorpion? ?

I revealed the shadow taint in rokugan, I'm the kistsuki kaagi of this reboot ?

Conflict deck... again.
No Courtier keyword.

I mean, it's not bad, but it's not good enough to go into anything Scorpion right now.
Maybe when more Shinobi support comes out and that deck can stand on it's own...?

People jkeep saying that such card fit nowhere at the moment but this is just clearly paving the way for a future shinobi deck. I can't wait!

On 4/4/2018 at 7:40 PM, Daigotsu Arashi said:

I revealed the shadow taint in rokugan, I'm the kistsuki kaagi of this reboot ?

We will miss you. If we're able to remember you

I think if you took another look at all the shinobi/support cards that have already been shrugged off with, "maybe once there's enough support", you might be surprised how many are already there. Main issue is the ones competing for conflict character slots.

Shosuro Sadako looks like more a shadow spawn than a loyal samurai who's sacrificing all for the empire.

I don't know what's is going to happen in the lore, maybe is the effect of coolness, the ninja with pich black eyes, shadow tendrils and that phrase" beneath the mask of the shinobi,nothing".

The way of the scorpion tell us about the relationship with the shadow, all the Shosuro stuff, and the shadow brands, that help you in dim light make phisical feats. But in the moment you started to act "weird" the clan will execute you.

When you look like her your a problem of the jade sect or the "internal police" of the scorpion

The fact that she is traited both "shinobi" and "shadow" speaks volumes. To me, she is clearly shadow tainted. While in the old story the Shadow problem didn't come to the fore until the Hidden Emperor ark, we got them some backstory inserted. We got a Kitsuki Kagi mentioned, who may or may not be the Kitsuki Kaagi from the old story. We got Isawa Ujina and Ninube. Something is bound to happen any time soon.

I am loving this card, and hope that there are more cards that let you dishonor your own characters that are not courtiers in this cycle. I see the young rumormonger being very useful to getting her dishonored along with the previously mentioned calling in favors.

I don’t wish to derail this thread, but I strongly support the release of several 2 - 3 Fate costing Neutral characters that have similar abilities such as this character. There would be many varying strategies that would change deck design if such characters were afforded to all players. (hence, my suggestion of this character being Neutral)

For example, there is a Phoenix Conflict character that is surprisingly well designed, and she is a 2 coster (maybe 3?) which I would love to play in my Dragon deck and my Unicorn deck if I can only add attachments to her so I may lend her Mil/Pol to my attacks. (I forget her name)

5 hours ago, LordBlunt said:

I don’t wish to derail this thread, but I strongly support the release of several 2 - 3 Fate costing Neutral characters that have similar abilities such as this character. There would be many varying strategies that would change deck design if such characters were afforded to all players. (hence, my suggestion of this character being Neutral)

For example, there is a Phoenix Conflict character that is surprisingly well designed, and she is a 2 coster (maybe 3?) which I would love to play in my Dragon deck and my Unicorn deck if I can only add attachments to her so I may lend her Mil/Pol to my attacks. (I forget her name)

Do you mean Kaito Kosori? Contributes from home when ready during air conflicts?

4 minutes ago, Zesu Shadaban said:

Do you mean Kaito Kosori? Contributes from home when ready during air conflicts?

Was just gonna ask that. Because, LordBlunt, you can play her in Dragon and Unicorn. Just splash Phoenix.

17 hours ago, Zesu Shadaban said:

Do you mean Kaito Kosori? Contributes from home when ready during air conflicts?

Yup, that’s the character! ?

@FunTimeTeddy yes, that’s what I was trying to state; I’m able to change my deck in order to include her and utilize her abilities, which is specifically why I believe Neutral(look at Satoshi) and Conflict characters in general are key in being the driving force fir alternative decks that can shake up a stale meta.

Me and Kosori already have a thing going on.....better leave my lady alone or there is going to be trouble.

9 hours ago, LordBlunt said:

Yup, that’s the character! ?

@FunTimeTeddy yes, that’s what I was trying to state; I’m able to change my deck in order to include her and utilize her abilities, which is specifically why I believe Neutral(look at Satoshi) and Conflict characters in general are key in being the driving force fir alternative decks that can shake up a stale meta.

In all fairness to the DT, neutral characters are much more touchy than clan characters. Clan characters are always balanced by the splash/influence requirement, and in-clan dynamics, while neutrals have to be considered in a much broader spectrum. I think they're wise to be cautious in that regard. Also, we did get the Kami in Disciples of the Void, which are pretty nasty. And we've yet to see how they shake things up, environmentally, if at all. But I think they represent a solid neutral - universally applicable - not favoring a ring, clan, or particular strategy. Satoshi falls into that category too. Sure, he seems to benefit Crab and Phoenix most, given holdings and magistrates, but can flesh out any Courtier/Political/Imperial deck beautifully.

Back on topic: I think Shosuro Sadako is a really well designed card. Not only does he/she/it prop up the Shinobi sub-theme, but competes with many other cards in the dominant Scorpion decks. It does seem strange that Scorpion are getting so many conflict characters, but because of exactly that (and the deck-building limit), they have to make hard choices. Personally, I'm glad to see Scorpion growing laterally rather than vertically.

FTT, excellent overview. My concerns remain, in regards to Sadako, in that Scorpion seems to be getting some of the best characters in relation to specific costs, more so than any other Clan. This character is pure value (and more!) for Scorpion, which can certainly abuse the “Dis-Honor me please!” angle for a Clan that can easily dole out Dis-Honor more than any other Clan and delights being Dishonored; pure value!.... Furthermore, the other Conflict character (3-cost, 2/2, can be played as a reaction to a spell, cancelling the just played spell and coming into play for free) is a yet an additional tool tossed to Scorpion players which (IMO) they don’t need...

While I can place the Phoenix character Tadaka in the same bunch, Scorpion characters are simply the leanest, pound for pound the most efficient characters around. This trend is not diminishing at all, it seems. That is worrying to me. (more so than, “well, Scorpion players have tough choices to make as to what they include in their decks”)

4 hours ago, LordBlunt said:

FTT, excellent overview. My concerns remain, in regards to Sadako, in that Scorpion seems to be getting some of the best characters in relation to specific costs, more so than any other Clan. This character is pure value (and more!) for Scorpion, which can certainly abuse the “Dis-Honor me please!” angle for a Clan that can easily dole out Dis-Honor more than any other Clan and delights being Dishonored; pure value!.... Furthermore, the other Conflict character (3-cost, 2/2, can be played as a reaction to a spell, cancelling the just played spell and coming into play for free) is a yet an additional tool tossed to Scorpion players which (IMO) they don’t need...

While I can place the Phoenix character Tadaka in the same bunch, Scorpion characters are simply the leanest, pound for pound the most efficient characters around. This trend is not diminishing at all, it seems. That is worrying to me. (more so than, “well, Scorpion players have tough choices to make as to what they include in their decks”)

The problem becomes not that Scorpion has good Conflict characters but that we have too many and are limited to 10 so we have to cut a lot of them out for events, etc. While we have that character limit, it will not be as much a problem as say Tadaka on turn two.

1 hour ago, BayushiFugu said:

The problem becomes not that Scorpion has good Conflict characters but that we have too many and are limited to 10 so we have to cut a lot of them out for events, etc. While we have that character limit, it will not be as much a problem as say Tadaka on turn two.

I'd kill for Unicorn to have these Scorpion problems.

On 4/5/2018 at 9:07 PM, Zesu Shadaban said:

I think if you took another look at all the shinobi/support cards that have already been shrugged off with, "maybe once there's enough support", you might be surprised how many are already there. Main issue is the ones competing for conflict character slots.

There are quite a few shinobi but there is practically no shinobi support. In other words, the Conflict deck needs more than just bodies to make that "theme" work. It needs tools, which it currently lacks (compare to Courtiers, which have the bodies *and* the tools).

On ‎4‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 3:27 PM, caseycheesecake said:

I'd kill for Unicorn to have these Scorpion problems.

While I agree, I'm happy to see Scorpion have any problems at all. My preference is for all the clans to be fair and balanced, but barring that, let's at least shake things up.

I can totally see the Scorpion Stronghold ability be something like “Shinobi characters in your conflict deck do not contribute towards the maximum number of allowable characters in your deck”.