1 minute ago, sozin said:

Agree, this is Amateur hour misdirection fake news bs. They are worried and telegraphing it. Can imagine a panicked pointy hairnblss meeting meeting after Adepticon triggering the article.

I mean. We say that... but deep down... can we say for a 100% that there WON'T be an upcoming Quickdraw nerf?

I'd like to believe that there won't be... But I can't.

These guys had the audacity to publish the Punisher and the K-wing in the same wave without batting an eye. I have no faith in them.

Idk guys, Quickdraw is really good. If Rebels were to be nerfed, probably worth a look at QD for even a medium nerf (fire only at the ship that plinked the shield, for example).

In general, ANY ship that fires Twice in one round and doesn't pay 6+ Pts for the Pilot Ability is probably too good. Quickdraw is probably the "fairest" at this juncture, thanks to limit of 3 shields, but is still really good. Quickdraw is essentially 2 ships for the price of 1 for those 3 shields.

I'd hope for a nerf that targets all ships/upgrades/etc that can fire easily modded shots multiple times in 1 round, and stop releasing pilots/upgrades that can do it. I think it breaks the core of XWing and too easily leads to power level distortions. (Consider that the Ghost pays once for 3 upgrades[TLT Maul Ezra] that get used a total of 8 times in a single round which adds up to 18 pts worth of free upgrade use. Normal ships would expect 3 uses from 3 upgrades).

Not that I'm complaining TOO hard. The game is still really fun. Playing with and against those pilots/upgrades is still great. We just further get away from the nail-biting subtle-choices-make-all-the-difference game play of XWing classic when ships start acting like 2 ships for the cost of 1. (That includes bombs or harpoons or anything that approximately doubles a ships damage output per round).

4 hours ago, Velvetelvis said:

Maybe the game is just bad now?

1 hour ago, phild0 said:

Idk guys, Quickdraw is really good. If Rebels were to be nerfed, probably worth a look at QD for even a medium nerf (fire only at the ship that plinked the shield, for example).

In general, ANY ship that fires Twice in one round and doesn't pay 6+ Pts for the Pilot Ability is probably too good. Quickdraw is probably the "fairest" at this juncture, thanks to limit of 3 shields, but is still really good. Quickdraw is essentially 2 ships for the price of 1 for those 3 shields.

While some of us were using QD prior to LWF, that's when she really became good. I think the reasons she's in the top 5 right now is a combination of upgrades and gets pushed "over the top" by cards like Palp and Harpoon (at PS 11). Yes, QD is featuring without those in winning lists, but that's often with Kylo. I think if jousters were actually a thing, QD would be a broken because she's so good at it. As of right now, though, there are just two imperial ships in the top 10 and the other is #10 and that's Inquisitor. Beyond that, you have Vader in the top 20. (I'm discounting Yorr because it's really only there as a Palp carrier). QD isn't an arc dodger. She can be beaten by any list because she can be beaten by being outplayed. I feel like that's a lot different than the other lists that we see at the top that require counterplay in listbuilding.

13 hours ago, Kieransi said:

Maybe I'm reading too much into it... I dunno. Just that whole part where they're like

"there were no shortage of squadrons that featured Miranda Doni, Auzituck gunships, Sheathipede-class shuttles, or the Ghost. In fact, these ships were heavily represented in even the Top 16, but they ended up mostly near the bottom of the Top 16 ..."

"...it was this First Order ace, "Quickdraw," who looked like the pilot to beat at the 2018 May World Championships. " Quickdraw" factored into all four of the Imperial squadrons that made Top 8 , even while his wingmates changed from squad to squad. Just in the Top 8, we found "Quickdraw" paired up with Darth Vader , The Inquisitor , Rear Admiral Chiraneau , and Captain Yorr in various squadrons."

I read it more as them saying "See? All you guys whining about OP Rebels are overreacting." I didn't see it as any kind of condemnation of QD. They've made similarly glowing statements about other things that have not been nerfed.

5 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I read it more as them saying "See? All you guys whining about OP Rebels are overreacting." I didn't see it as any kind of condemnation of QD. They've made similarly glowing statements about other things that have not been nerfed.

(I'm fairly sure we are just poking fun at FFG. Also, here's some Tim Curry)

3 hours ago, AlexW said:

While some of us were using QD prior to LWF, that's when she really became good. I think the reasons she's in the top 5 right now is a combination of upgrades and gets pushed "over the top" by cards like Palp and Harpoon (at PS 11).

On that note, I think the way LWF interacts with Palp should be looked at eventually.

Not because it's too strong (in the current meta it most likely isn't), but because it runs contrary to the declared goal of the Palp nerf, introducing some risk for using him.

6 minutes ago, LordBlades said:

On that note, I think the way LWF interacts with Palp should be looked at eventually.

Not because it's too strong (in the current meta it most likely isn't), but because it runs contrary to the declared goal of the Palp nerf, introducing some risk for using him.

Yeah, FFG should really get on nerfing that interaction...

1 hour ago, LordBlades said:

On that note, I think the way LWF interacts with Palp should be looked at eventually.

Not because it's too strong (in the current meta it most likely isn't), but because it runs contrary to the declared goal of the Palp nerf, introducing some risk for using him.

So they went with the Palp LWF interpretation which is the absolute worst and you think it should be nerfed or looked at.

I’ve flown it a lot, I would love to just add the frame dice when you roll all dice and call Palp then. Calling Palp before 2 or 1 dice is painful. Yes occasionally with Quickdraw there is a correct choice. For example you suffer 2 damage. You don’t use Palp on the 2 dice to see if you get an Evade or not. In reality it’s only Quickdraw where you might want to suffer a single damage. Everyone else you want to suffer as little damage as possible.

I agree they should look at Frame (they won’t) but not because it is broken. There is more risk with the way Palp and Frame interact compared to a straight 3 agility. Frustratingly so.

"We can't say which squadrons will prove strongest at the May World Championships. Nor can we predict whether the eventual World Champion will hail from Asia , Europe, North America, or elsewhere. However, given what we've seen of these recent events, we can expect a lot of Rebels, a lot of Imperials, and a weekend of great battles that reinforce the importance of player skill."

Erm, FFG you don't support X-Wing over in Asia anymore. It takes double the effort for a player from Asia to even get access to ships from across the pond...

This thread is so funny. I’d like to say I’ve never seen such a concentration of bozzwonk knee-jerkery before, but I visit these forums regularly.

I read the article as purely saying ‘Hey guys, if you fly stuff that isn’t what the podcasts tell you to fly, you can win stuff and have a good time too’

One poster says ‘oh I hope they don’t nerf QuickDraw because look this article says she is good’ and there follows 6 pages of manic gibberish and baseless statements presented as fact about how they will/won’t.

Madness. Carry on you bunch of lunatics.

This whole article screams propaganda do dissuade discussions on bug-builds being foundational OP builds. It’s sad the developers are so defensive on their recent expansions meant to bring balance and fix issues; they’ve always touted expansion repairs over errata. After I read it, I shook my head, it’s actually pathetic.

...now where's my tea? I really need some.

2 hours ago, Dreadai said:

This thread is so funny. I’d like to say I’ve never seen such a concentration of bozzwonk knee-jerkery before, but I visit these forums regularly.

OMG QD IS AT THE TOP OF THE META! MUST NERF!!!

OMG PUNISHER IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LISTS!! MUST BUFF!!!

EVERY SHIP MUST SIT AT RANKING #25 TO BE BALANCED!!!!

That's not possible??

WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT GAME DESIGN?????!!!!!!

Hello, hello? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!

2 hours ago, Dreadai said:

This thread is so funny. I’d like to say I’ve never seen such a concentration of bozzwonk knee-jerkery before, but I visit these forums regularly.

It's like Orson Wells' War of the Worlds radio drama all over again...

For ***** sake, how did this get to 5 f-ing pages?!?

QD is the perfect example of a strong AND balanced ship. She can be the core of almost any Imperial list but can also be beaten by almost anything as long as you fly well against her. We should be celebrating the fact that FFG actually made a ship like this.

Quit asking for a QD nerf because FFG will do it to distract you from the NPE cancers that actually do need a nerf. And as this thread shows, it seems pretty easy to distract you people.

Easy ! It's like walking in the desert !

At the beginning we are fresh will full of hope just like when they give the wave XIV news, we were happy !

Now after so much effort, the long road begin to slowy affect our minds and we slowy begin crazy because we don't see the exit of this road !

We cry, we fear of abandon and when we see a exit, it's just a fake hope so we become mad...

Until finally we will see the exit we want to see !

11 hours ago, Steelgunner said:

Oh hey it’s House.

W e s e e m t o b e m a d e t o s u f f e r

6 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

W e s e e m t o b e m a d e t o s u f f e r

It's our lot in life

4 hours ago, Commander Kaine said:

W e s e e m t o b e m a d e t o s u f f e r

On 3/31/2018 at 2:45 AM, KommanderKeldoth said:

I read it more as them saying "See? All you guys whining about OP Rebels are overreacting." I didn't see it as any kind of condemnation of QD. They've made similarly glowing statements about other things that have not been nerfed.

Well penned; the cancer is actually Regen, TLT and super-evasive 0 agility ships; they’re simply illogical when at the top of the curve.

22 hours ago, Commander Kaine said:

W e s e e m t o b e m a d e t o s u f f e r

Yes, this isn’t a game about piloting and taking guesses and risks......it’s a **** card game.

22 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

It's our lot in life

This.

On 3/30/2018 at 6:54 PM, Gilarius said:

There were quite a few Ghost/Fenns around, but mostly run by lower tier players. And many players had practiced against it and knew what to do to win with what they brought. I only know of one player who did well with Ghost/Fenn, getting 5-1 on day 1.

ListJuggler shows 5 people going 5-1 with Ghost/Fenn in Birmingham.

7 minutes ago, MikeySandwich said:

ListJuggler shows 5 people going 5-1 with Ghost/Fenn in Birmingham.

So far list juggler has 41 of the top 54 lists posts, all 5-1 for the top cup.

In fact there were 5 Ghost/Fenn in the top cut, joining 6 Palp Aces, 5 trip imp aces, 5 Nymranda, 4 100pt aces, and 4 Rey+ lists. The 13 missing lists could change the numbers a bit but the cut at Birmingham tends to resemble the overall X-Wing meta over the past few months, I wouldn’t go too crazy trying to draw conclusions from the top 8 cut or that FFG article.

I know at least on person who made the cut with it and then went 6 with it at hyperspace too.