On 3/26/2018 at 9:30 AM, Xiervak said:

Big +1, but the game is tremendous fun in OT era. You're really selling yourself short with such rigid expectations.

Maybe but neither of the starter armies interest me at all. Why buy into a game when none of the forces available interest me. It doesn't mean I won't give the game a go with someone else's figures. It just means I'm waiting to see if FFG is going to release an army I'm interested in buying and painting. The GAR is that army.

24 minutes ago, T70 Driver said:

Maybe but neither of the starter armies interest me at all. Why buy into a game when none of the forces available interest me. It doesn't mean I won't give the game a go with someone else's figures. It just means I'm waiting to see if FFG is going to release an army I'm interested in buying and painting. The GAR is that army.

GAR and CIS are the two armies I want. If we see a CIS army I will never buy another model that isn't them. Droids on droids on more droids.

6 minutes ago, ricoratso said:

GAR and CIS are the two armies I want. If we see a CIS army I will never buy another model that isn't them. Droids on droids on more droids.

If FFG produces a GAR army for Legion, it'll be a "Shut Up And Take My Money!!!" moment for me.

Personally, I really hope that we see stuff from all eras in the game: prequel (Republic and Separatist) and sequel (Resistance/New Republic and Firt Order) as well as the standard Rebellion and Empire. Number one reason: VARIETY. Why limit our options when we have such an expansive universe to draw from? And when it comes to ground combat, the prequels are absolutely chock-full of tons of different vehicles, droids, and infantry types. We've seen what happens with X-Wing when they rigidly stick to OT timeline only (before they added stuff from the new films); you end up having to plunder the depths of the EU to dredge up any and every ship that there's even a passing reference to, no matter how obscure. Not that I really have a problem with that (again, variety is key) but wouldn't die-hard Star Wars fans rather have canonical units that are actually seen in the core films, even if they are from different era?

I'll never understand the puritanical attitude of everything must rigidly adhere to canon or else it 'breaks immersion'. The very nature of the game is canon-breaking. Yesterday I played a game where both Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker died in what was essentially a minor, meaningless skirmish. That never happened in the films. And you already have the potential for mirror matches between the same faction, so is having units from different timelines fight really that out of place?

If the game is to survive and compete with other major miniatures games (which it clearly is trying to do, unlike X-Wing and Armada which kind of fill a niche half way between board game and miniatures game) it is going to need more than two factions. Do you think Warhammer or Infinity could have got as far as they did with just two armies? The more factions, the more variety, and therefore the more replayability and depth when it comes to choosing what list to run.

On 3/26/2018 at 4:15 PM, kaffis said:

Still, that kind of illustrates my point -- they didn't leave any kind of impact on me for nostalgia to take hold and get excited about them. And they certainly don't make sense in Rebel hands with that as the sole cinematic datapoint. I sure hope this doesn't presage just lazily importing all the other established Clone Wars era Clone Army gear to fill in the gaping holes in the Rebellion ground forces armory. If I see news hyping up the Rebels rolling out in Clone Gunships or Tanks, I'm out.

Yeah, because there is absolutely no precedent for partisans or rebellions using old or obsolete equipment for previous wars while they try to overthrow the people who have the monopoly on making new weapons.

Nope, that's just an alien concept....completely destroys immersion.

Certainly not something we've ever seen in our own reality.

Also the LAAT/i (Gunship) was one of the coolest things ever made for Star Wars, I desperately hope they include them in this game.

It's less that they wouldn't stoop to it than a question of why they'd still be around and salvageable. Either they're still in use in backwater detachments of the Imperial Army, or they should have been decommissioned and scrapped. It's not like you sell off old warships and tanks to surplus stores to find themselves on a private market waiting for insurgents to buy them up to use against you.

And for those citing variety.. yes, variety is key to wargames, but how much variety does having shared units really offer? The AT-RT would be in two armies, stones Stormtroopers would surely be incredibly similar to Clone Troopers, and so on fire to the clear love if derivation that runs all through the prequel era equipment to the OT and even into the sequel era. So I'm not sure you get to inject nearly as much variety by adding factions in Star Wars via branching out the eras as it would initially appear, let alone as much as you get in other franchises by adding a faction.

On ‎3‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 6:40 AM, That Blasted Samophlange said:

I'm on the fence.. mainly due to being back in school and not working.. mortgages are not cheap!

My first foray into miniature gaming was with X-wings a few years ago. I instantly fell in love with it and was totally engaged with it by buying up every model (many times multiples). I would even leave work early to make sure I could get down to the FLGS when they opened so I wouldn't miss out on any of the new releases and I was playing almost weekly. I would even drive around the state to catch different monthly store tournaments. Man, did I wish there was a Legion type game out at that time. I know for a fact I would've gone full bore into it.

However, Legion came out 9 months too late. Warhammer 40k's 8th edition released last June and I figured it was a good time to get into that type of a miniature game and I was totally committed. I started painting for the first time in my life and amassed myself some pretty large armies. It wasn't until 2 months later that FFG finally announced Legion and by that time it was too late for me. Heck, if they would've announced the game around 40k's release and had it out in a few months later, I probably would've waited for it. Now, 9 months later I've invested way too much time and money to even start another game...maybe...because it sure does look fun.

So, I guess I am kind of on the fence myself, but right now what's really holding me back is having to paint some boring *** looking storm troopers and traitorous rebels. I really wish this game would've been prepainted.

17 hours ago, kaffis said:

It's less that they wouldn't stoop to it than a question of why they'd still be around and salvageable. Either they're still in use in backwater detachments of the Imperial Army, or they should have been decommissioned and scrapped. It's not like you sell off old warships and tanks to surplus stores to find themselves on a private market waiting for insurgents to buy them up to use against you.

Us British folks did this with a battlecruiser:

We didn't want it,

we sold it to Japan,

they upgraded it,

renamed it Kongō,

and blew up half the pacific with it.

Turns out we still didn't learn our lesson, because there's a army surplus store selling Margret Thatcher's Armoured Bus for best offer.

Can't wait to see where that ends up...

17 hours ago, kaffis said:

It's less that they wouldn't stoop to it than a question of why they'd still be around and salvageable. Either they're still in use in backwater detachments of the Imperial Army, or they should have been decommissioned and scrapped. It's not like you sell off old warships and tanks to surplus stores to find themselves on a private market waiting for insurgents to buy them up to use against you.

There's always people who can buy or take hold of decommissioned or obsolete war material. Either some petty bureaucrat realized they could make a few billion credits by diverting some stuff to a group of warlords or the Empire decided to support a....native insurgency group in let's say Hutt Space (a la Russia's recent invasion of Crimea) or someone found out about a bunch of equipment headed for meltdown and a rebel cell decided to steal it. There's even an episode of Rebel's showing the characters doing exactly this and stealing a bunch of Y-Wings that we later see at the battles of Scariff and Yavin.

Just because Joe NRA can't buy a tank at a gun show doesn't mean that Generelissimo Josef of the PFJ can't take ownership of 10 or more. Or in a more contemporary example, Sheriff Joe got a bunch of them from the government as a tax break.

I want to see a keywords along the lines of: Spotter - Friendly units can use your line of sight for attacks.

17 minutes ago, NukeMaster said:

I want to see a keywords along the lines of: Spotter - Friendly units can use your line of sight for attacks.

Unit leaders already do this for models in their unit. And most weapons are laser weapons, which don't make sense to be used without direct LOS.

We've seen spotter rules previewed, right? Veers' ability to give Aim tokens to friendly units? This fills the niche well for me in a laser-centric combat environment. We also already have an example of a mortar, though it's an elevated firing platform so line of sight isn't really an issue. I suspect we may get a mortar team sometime, and I could see a special rule ignoring LoS against targets that are in LoS of a friendly unit.

3 hours ago, Indy_com said:

Us British folks did this with a battlecruiser:

We didn't want it,

we sold it to Japan,

they upgraded it,

renamed it Kongō,

and blew up half the pacific with it.

Turns out we still didn't learn our lesson, because there's a army surplus store selling Margret Thatcher's Armoured Bus for best offer.

Can't wait to see where that ends up...

Group buy?

30 minutes ago, kac said:

Group buy?

What do you mean by this?

44 minutes ago, kaffis said:

Unit leaders already do this for models in their unit. And most weapons are laser weapons, which don't make sense to be used without direct LOS.

We've seen spotter rules previewed, right? Veers' ability to give Aim tokens to friendly units? This fills the niche well for me in a laser-centric combat environment. We also already have an example of a mortar, though it's an elevated firing platform so line of sight isn't really an issue. I suspect we may get a mortar team sometime, and I could see a special rule ignoring LoS against targets that are in LoS of a friendly unit.

You're right Veer's ability is named Spotter. I thought it sounded familiar.

It doesn't make sense for infantry to be able to fire on unseen targets with any degree of accuracy, but most vehicles should be able to fire on a set of coordinates regardless of using lasers.

51 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

What do you mean by this?

I'm suggesting, in a facetious way, that the members of this site should all pitch in a relatively small amount of money, which collectively would be sufficient to purchase the late Lady Thatcher's Armo(u)red Bus.

The humor, to the extent there is any, is in the impossibility of the logistics of having a great number of owners for one tangible item, no matter how desirable it might be, and that humor is completely lost by explanation in detail.

Something else i want to see once Legion finds its footing is single army starter sets. As an example, Bolt Action produces both a 2 player set and individual boxed sets with enough miniatures to play small games. So, if i want, in Bolt Action, I can buy an army box to make a USMC force and then flesh it out with individual boxed units. With Legion I could see them splitting the core set into separate Imperial and Rebel boxed armies. Further forces would be marketed this way. So, you could have a GAR boxed set, a Droid army box or any other force FFG might think of. These boxed set would all have forces of the same approximate point value and enough figures to make a legal army.

For real: Thrawn commander in his white armor from the Rebels season 3 finale.