Been following the forum since July before wave 3/4 and I have never seen this come up. So while awaiting news on wave 8 (or any news), what is Han referring to when he says "local bulk cruisers"? Dreadnought cruiser?, converted bulk freighter?, something we haven't seen yet?, is it an Imperial ship even?
Will we ever see it in the game? There would seem to be a lot of wiggle room on this if FFG wanted to do another home brew ship.
My own thoughts are that it is a Hutt Neutron Star but.....
I'd like them to bring this beauty back:
I always took that to mean the light cruiser, when they leave Tatooine, especially because he refers to the Star Destroyers specifically a few moments later - and that's when he says "They're hotter than I thought!"
Let's face it, Solo says that even he "...get's boarded sometimes". They're not going to use ISDs for local issues like that, that's Raider, Gladiator, and Light Cruiser work; I wouldn't even waste a Victory Class on that type of function.
Do you mean.... this?
Or neb-Bs if you subscribe to the idea that they used to be imperial ships. Even victories or vindicators work for the idea of area enforcement ships.
Those where in Star Wars Rebellion (PC game).
They where old armed ship that the Rebellion had at the start of the game.
Not really well suited for rough combat or rapid but at least could figth back if attacked.
I would love to see this vessel transition from Legends/West End Games to FFG, with both Imperial and Alliance ship cards. But give me Dteadnaughts first,
again with cards for both sides of the GCW (please!!!)
"It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs! I've outrun Imperial starships, not the local bulk-cruisers, mind you. I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now. She's fast enough for you, old man. What's the cargo?"
New Imperial ships are always welcome. However, Solo makes those bulk cruisers sound as if they're much slower and much less maneuverable than ISDs. In-game, they could even be worse than Victories.
The bulk cruiser would work for the rebels as a combat ship in-between the Nebulon-B and RAF. Better firepower, shields,hull and upgrade options than a Neb-B, but still not as good as the RAF. The A could be the bulk cruiser, with the B being the modified carrier-cruisers used by the Rebel Alliance in WEG lore.
1 hour ago, JadinED said:"It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs! I've outrun Imperial starships, not the local bulk-cruisers, mind you. I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now. She's fast enough for you, old man. What's the cargo?"
New Imperial ships are always welcome. However, Solo makes those bulk cruisers sound as if they're much slower and much less maneuverable than ISDs. In-game, they could even be worse than Victories.
But since ISDs are not Corellian ships, do we know what "big Corellian ships" he's talking about?
I maintain that the victory could is a good candidate for system defense and commerce regulation enforcement. It explains also why the CSA also has do many. That being said, I think the victory, as the cnc vessel, would be supported by smaller and faster ships, like the arquitens for interception.
I think the bulk cruiser are actually contracted private security firms... Bought pirates, if we're being honest.
2 minutes ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:But since ISDs are not Corellian ships, do we know what "big Corellian ships" he's talking about?
There is no way that all isds are built at kuat, I think it fits that the nextest biggest shipyard is in corellia. That's Solo's homeworld, and probably had to deal with the economic shadow of that as a kid, like growing up next to a military base, so it makes sense that them being "big ships from corellia" makes sense.
31 minutes ago, FoaS said:There is no way that all isds are built at kuat, I think it fits that the nextest biggest shipyard is in corellia. That's Solo's homeworld, and probably had to deal with the economic shadow of that as a kid, like growing up next to a military base, so it makes sense that them being "big ships from corellia" makes sense.
Yup. The legends-verse stated that the Corellian shipyards have built ships of all sizes right up to Super Star Destroyer - and later, that ISDs built at Corellia are unusually fast - specifically to explain Han's statement.
I also always thought that Solo had the "Imperial Cruisers" in mind when he said "big Corellian ships".
For one, after they encounter ISDs in orbit and go to hyperspace, Solo brags, "Well, you can forget your troubles with those Imperial slugs. I told you I'd outrun 'em," making it seem as if those were the kind of ships he'd talked about. Secondly, we haven't ever seen any really impressive ships in canon or legends of original Corellian design. All the Corvettes and the small Republic Cruisers from Episode I hardly represent the impressive "big Corellian ships" he references.
14 minutes ago, FoaS said:There is no way that all isds are built at kuat, I think it fits that the nextest biggest shipyard is in corellia. That's Solo's homeworld, and probably had to deal with the economic shadow of that as a kid, like growing up next to a military base, so it makes sense that them being "big ships from corellia" makes sense.
(Old EU at least) not all ISD's were built at Kuat. Fondor, Bilbringi, and Rendili all built ISD's as well and Kuat. Kuat was simply where the ship was designed and first built.
And for what Han was referring to, apparently the Gonzati is a CEC ship, and while not big, so it stands to reason that CEC probably makes other medium sized patrol ships.
24 minutes ago, FoaS said:There is no way that all isds are built at kuat, I think it fits that the nextest biggest shipyard is in corellia. That's Solo's homeworld, and probably had to deal with the economic shadow of that as a kid, like growing up next to a military base, so it makes sense that them being "big ships from corellia" makes sense.
That is an interpretation that makes sense.
Was just thinking, most outer-rim planets would not have much in the way of "big" ships anyway. Ships the size of the C-ROC and smaller would prob be the norm, with Gonzati's being the usual imperial patrol ships. Han could be simply referring to Imperial/local CR-90's as they would feel big if you're not used to them.
14 hours ago, skirmisher said:I would love to see this vessel transition from Legends/West End Games to FFG, with both Imperial and Alliance ship cards. But give me Dteadnaughts first,
I'd be happy with a Dreadnaught that could be used as either a Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser (Imperial) or as an Assault Frigate Mk 1 (Rebel). The miniature could include a "nebulon-like fin" that could be pegged into the underside of the Dreadnaught and two blade-fins that could be attached to the rear to give it that Assault Frigate look. FFG's Gozanti model in X-Wing had a sensor tower that could be added or removed to the model, and many of the models have complicated articulation (Falcon Dish, U-Wing wings, TIE Striker wings, the new X-Wing S-Foils, etc.). This doesn't seem impossible for FFG to do with a miniature.
Just make it a ship that includes two ship cards for the Dreadnaught, two ship cards for the Assault Frigate Mark I, and a bunch of generic upgrades. If they wanted to get really fancy, they could even add commanders and titles: Palleon and Katana-Fleet title for Imperials, and perhaps a Rahm Kota and Salvation title for the Assault Frigate Mk1?
22 hours ago, skirmisher said:I would love to see this vessel transition from Legends/West End Games to FFG, with both Imperial and Alliance ship cards. But give me Dteadnaughts first,
It is actually in the FFG RPG, which is the first source for detailed stats for the stock Neutron Star. The WEG Neutron Star stats were for bulk cruisers that had been converted to carriers which was apparently a common practice in the Alliance fleet due to their weakness as combat ships.
18 hours ago, Ironlord said:Yup. The legends-verse stated that the Corellian shipyards have built ships of all sizes right up to Super Star Destroyer - and later, that ISDs built at Corellia are unusually fast - specifically to explain Han's statement.
I always thought that this explanation was lazy. There is no way in **** that a world that has been a key ship design and production center as long as Corellia has wouldn't be able to produce native large cruiser or destroyer designs instead of just making tweaked versions of other worlds designs
13 minutes ago, RogueCorona said:It is actually in the FFG RPG, which is the first source for detailed stats for the stock Neutron Star. The WEG Neutron Star stats were for bulk cruisers that had been converted to carriers which was apparently a common practice in the Alliance fleet due to their weakness as combat ships.
I always thought that this explanation was lazy. There is no way in **** that a world that has been a key ship design and production center as long as Corellia has wouldn't be able to produce native large cruiser or destroyer designs instead of just making tweaked versions of other worlds designs
I think it was that corellia didn't get the contracts for the big ships from the empire. And under imperial law they were restricted in what they could otherwise produce.
So subcontracting for kuat let them get in on that sweet sweet big ship money.
Yup. The Empire might have thought "in order to maximise the growth of our fleet, every slipway in the galaxy capable of building a Star Destroyer needs to do so " - thus, forcing Kuat to hand over its Star Destroyer blueprints to the other shipyards - Fondor, Corellia, etc.
18 minutes ago, Ironlord said:Yup. The Empire might have thought "in order to maximise the growth of our fleet, every slipway in the galaxy capable of building a Star Destroyer needs to do so " - thus, forcing Kuat to hand over its Star Destroyer blueprints to the other shipyards - Fondor, Corellia, etc.
That's my thinking. Chances are anywhere that could have built the Venator can build the ISD, so it'd be stupid to not make use of that already-existing infrastructure.
9 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:
I'd be happy with a Dreadnaught that could be used as either a Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser (Imperial) or as an Assault Frigate Mk 1 (Rebel). The miniature could include a "nebulon-like fin" that could be pegged into the underside of the Dreadnaught and two blade-fins that could be attached to the rear to give it that Assault Frigate look.
that would be really nifty.
5 hours ago, FoaS said:That's my thinking. Chances are anywhere that could have built the Venator can build the ISD, so it'd be stupid to not make use of that already-existing infrastructure.
Yeah except ISDs are a Kauti design not a Corellian one. And how would Han know where the Star Destroyer he outran was from unless the shipyards were using designs distinct enought to be separated either visually or by sensors into distinct models?
6 minutes ago, RogueCorona said:Yeah except ISDs are a Kauti design not a Corellian one. And how would Han know where the Star Destroyer he outran was from unless the shipyards were using designs distinct enought to be separated either visually or by sensors into distinct models?
Let's remember that Han is in the middle of a boast, and not treat his words as if they are some form of Gospel.