Theory Crafting the Maxima

By jmswood, in Star Wars: Armada

The Maxima-A Class Heavy Cruiser appeared in Before the Awakening and a few issues of the Poe Dameron comic. There isn’t any technical information about it, but there are a a few images to work with. In the comic books, a Maxima and 19 TIEs engaged the Carrion Spike and some uglies. In another issue it launched at least 20 TIEs against Black Squadron.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:First_Order_Ranc_Gang_Black_Squadron_desert_wold.jpg (My efforts to imbed images have been thwarted. internet level: noob.)

For scale, I believe the Carrion Spike is 150 meters. The Maxima is much larger, but does it look large enough to be a medium base? I think it’s Gladiator size.

I’d like to see Maxima in the Gladiator price range with more focus on long range front arc shooting and carrier role. Think lighter, faster VSD.

@FoaS You said you would rather have this than the FOLC. Care to pitch in?

I'm not that great at ship design. Squadrons are more my thing. That being said, I see the Maxima as a gladiator/arq hybrid. Well rounded dice pool with a slight bias towards red. Lemme think on it some.

42 minutes ago, FoaS said:

I see the Maxima as a gladiator/arq hybrid. Well rounded dice pool with a slight bias towards red.

This is good. Maybe a more expensive version with more red dice than blue, and a squadron value of 3. Then a cheaper version with more blue dice than red and a squadron value of 2. If it has any black dice, I’m thinking no more than 1 per battery to keep it out of the Gladiator’s turf.

3 hours ago, Alexhurlbut said:

The dialogue would imply the cruiser is slanted toward being a carrier/troop transport. The offset bridge tower would support the notion of it being heavily slanted toward being a carrier (and amphibious assault carrier).

That suggests you want the Weapons Team and Offensive Refit upgrade slots on it then.

OK, I've seen this ship several times now and I have to say:

That artist is terrible.

39 minutes ago, thecactusman17 said:

OK, I've seen this ship several times now and I have to say:

That artist is terrible.

That's nothing new for the Star Wars Comic Books. Some of them have really bad ship art.

1 minute ago, Alexhurlbut said:

That's nothing new for the Star Wars Comic Books. Some of them have really bad ship art.

That's a shame, because there are clearly some great artists that should have been given an option for new ship designs:

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or for that matter:

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...Huh? Oh yes, I did try to model that didn't i?

Maxima.jpg

This was of course long before the issue came out showing us the bottom of the ship, which looks like this:

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Oh well. But its easy to imagine the Maxima as the nu-age Gladiator for the First Order.

Edited by Norsehound

Meh. You Imps can have the Maxima. Give us Rebels the Majestic-Class Heavy Cruiser!

3 hours ago, idiewell said:

Meh. You Imps can have the Maxima. Give us Rebels the Majestic-Class Heavy Cruiser!

*looks up on wikipedia*

Im down for the rebel imp star!

18 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:

Im down for the rebel imp star!

It's not that like an Impstar - it's more like the Assault Frigate Mk II in size:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Majestic-class_heavy_cruiser

though I suppose it could be said to be " almost Impstar in firepower and toughness"

The "bigger Impstar, used by the Galactic Alliance (successor to the New Republic, successor to the Rebellion)" is the Galactic-class:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic-class_battle_carrier

Edited by Ironlord
37 minutes ago, Ironlord said:

It's not that like an Impstar - it's more like the Assault Frigate Mk II in size:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Majestic-class_heavy_cruiser

though I suppose it could be said to be " almost Impstar in firepower and toughness"

The "bigger Impstar, used by the Galactic Alliance (successor to the New Republic, successor to the Rebellion)" is the Galactic-class:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic-class_battle_carrier

From the first link under characteristics

" their thick armor and shields were equal to the previous generation of Imperial -class Star Destroyers . "

-equal hull to imp stars

" the Majestic can score as many hits at long range as an Imperial -class Star Destroyer can at medium ranges "

-equal or slightly better/worse firepower? At certain ranges at least is what i think this is saying anyway lol, in my mind being able to score the same amount of hits but at longer ranges makes it better.

I think its a rebel imp star :P its also legends so...

700m long definitely more in size to a assault frigate (but when does size matter in the star wars universe? I mean death stars taken down by fighters, 60km wide mobile stations destroyed by 3km dildos, etc)

56 minutes ago, Alexhurlbut said:

I prefer this http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nebula-class_Star_Destroyer

who also has a sister class sharing the same basic hull; Endurance Fleet Carrier.

I'd also love to see the Nebula-Class and Endurance-Classes added. I suggested the Majestic-Class so both factions could have heavy cruisers :D

Edited by idiewell

This thread got hijacked.

Back on topic.

The Maxima.

I think it could be something like an improved Imperial Pelta. Carrier and Assault versions; both with Fleet Command. Combined with some kind of tech upgrade for sequel era ships, it could function like a mini-Cymoon.

On 3/24/2018 at 7:33 PM, Norsehound said:

...Huh? Oh yes, I did try to model that didn't i?

Maxima.jpg

This was of course long before the issue came out showing us the bottom of the ship, which looks like this:

waxykd7tpzuy.jpg

Oh well. But its easy to imagine the Maxima as the nu-age Gladiator for the First Order.

Awesome work Norse, I can definitely look at this more seriously.

This looks like a cross between the Quasar and the Demolisher. It also looks like a solid lander. Maybe a fast medium brawler designed for mid-range combat with double ions and boarding parties?

Edited by thecactusman17

shapping up to being able to do a First Order fleet... theres what 3 or 4 ship choices,& 2 -3 sqn types kicking round now

5 hours ago, slasher956 said:

shapping up to being able to do a First Order fleet... theres what 3 or 4 ship choices,& 2 -3 sqn types kicking round now

Well that'll cover a wave at best.

10 minutes ago, idiewell said:

Well that'll cover a wave at best.

2... initial faction release in a box of a large /medium & 2 smalls with 4-6 fighter sqns

wave of the large/medium & the small in boxes and sqns blister

wave of single ship along side a rebellion or resistance ship

Why why why are there so many ships in the Star Wars universe that are asymmetrical? I abhor asymmetry in design and this ship looks ridiculous. Same with the weird Nebulon-C frigate in the Last Jedi & the rebel troop transport. Even the Millenium Falcon design seems strange - it would feel so weird to me having to account for my left side being much wider than my right side when piloting it!

12 minutes ago, slasher956 said:

2... initial faction release in a box of a large /medium & 2 smalls with 4-6 fighter sqns

wave of the large/medium & the small in boxes and sqns blister

wave of single ship along side a rebellion or resistance ship

The Resistance/FO designs are going to come eventually, but i think they're coming later as opposed to earlier. Still i'm always in favor of new ships.

39 minutes ago, strikenowhere said:

Why why why are there so many ships in the Star Wars universe that are asymmetrical? I abhor asymmetry in design and this ship looks ridiculous. Same with the weird Nebulon-C frigate in the Last Jedi & the rebel troop transport. Even the Millenium Falcon design seems strange - it would feel so weird to me having to account for my left side being much wider than my right side when piloting it!

The real problem with it is that it makes no **** sense.

I think some artists get hung up on modern carriers and are all 'hur, durr, they are asymmetrical because that's cool, so we want our ship to be cool, so it needs to be asymmetrical' without bothering to puzzle out why our modern carriers are asymmetrical.

Hint: it's because they are acting as a platform for launching/landing between two different mediums that have a purely horizontal interface, so need to combine elevation above the one without interfering in paths of motion through the other. IE., if you need an observation/sensor platform as high above the water as possible without being in the centerline of the ship - to give your aircraft a place to land - then you get an asymmetrical design. If any of those things is not true...for example, you are in deep space and there is no need to land your fighters on the same side of the ship that your bridge is on, OR if you have fighters that don't even need large decks to accelerate/decelerate from, then asymmetrical designs are pointless (and, indeed, stupid , as it needlessly limits your weapon and sensor arcs vs symmetric designs).