@Kieransi sorry posted too quick initially.

@Caimheul1313, yeah, I totally understand that it would be way too many SKUs to have to produce to try to get four factions up and running right away. I just wish FFG was better about telling us stuff. Like, I'd really appreciate them just telling us in a press release that they'll be adding new factions soon or something, because as they've shown with Armada, they're perfectly comfortable making a "miniatures game" with just two factions, which I don't think is going to work for Legion in the long run.

The game has two factions. Light side and dark side.

My guess is we will see other powers in the Star Wars universe fall into either light or dark sides. But the scope will be far more limited than something like IA.

There are two factions in the game, the Galactic Empire (Imperial) and the Rebel Alliance (Rebel). RRG pg 27

2 minutes ago, LunarSol said:

There are two factions in the game, the Galactic Empire (Imperial) and the Rebel Alliance (Rebel). RRG pg 27

The point is that we want to know if there will be more than just Imperials and Rebels. A miniature wargame based around the GCW doesn't make that much sense thematically because very few were wars if even any. The prequels had massive scale wars between Droids and Gungans like in Episode I and Droids and Clones as seen in Episode II. I think most of us are trying to figure out if we will ever get more factions than just the two same old same old GCW.

2 minutes ago, LunarSol said:

There are two factions in the game, the Galactic Empire (Imperial) and the Rebel Alliance (Rebel). RRG pg 27

Uh huh. And X-Wing totally didn't have a line like that in the initial rule book did it? (I'm 90% sure it did)

13 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

@Caimheul1313, yeah, I totally understand that it would be way too many SKUs to have to produce to try to get four factions up and running right away. I just wish FFG was better about telling us stuff. Like, I'd really appreciate them just telling us in a press release that they'll be adding new factions soon or something, because as they've shown with Armada, they're perfectly comfortable making a "miniatures game" with just two factions, which I don't think is going to work for Legion in the long run.

One of the issues being, they probably don't want to hint at things they haven't gotten cleared yet. They can PLAN and HOPE to have a Clone Wars era faction added by X date, but if Disney says no to the design, then they have to backtrack on what they said. Kind of how it seems they initially planned for a March 8th release (judging by the OOPS on the Rebel Trooper preview article) but they pushed it back and finalized the date before announcing. As for Armada, I think I remember hearing somewhere that FFG is having troubling finding a way to make another faction have a "unique" feel such that it isn't just re-skinned Empire let's say. Armada is also a very different game, as most of the fleets have fewer units than the average infantry game. But time will tell, and we can all hope!

I expect to see the Droid army sooner than later. I think people will get over their hatred of them as soon as they realize that anyone that picks them up is just giving you an opportunity to gun down rows and rows of those stupid Rogers.

1 minute ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Uh huh. And X-Wing totally didn't have a line like that in the initial rule book did it? (I'm 90% sure it did)

I realize when I read it back this wasn't clear, but I was referring to the idea that the game's two factions are currently Light Side and Dark Side, when that's not how they're defined as factions.

1 minute ago, Caimheul1313 said:

One of the issues being, they probably don't want to hint at things they haven't gotten cleared yet.

Also, plans change. They've said they have about two years worth of content planned. Let's say for the sake of argument that the end of that two years is releasing clones and droids. Is it really in their best interest to announce that now? What happens if they need to change their plans? I'm sure the internet would be very understanding.

I've emphasized the text in the quote below.

9 minutes ago, Basylle said:

Also, plans change. They've said they have about two years worth of content planned. Let's say for the sake of argument that the end of that two years is releasing clones and droids. Is it really in their best interest to announce that now? What happens if they need to change their plans? I'm sure the internet would be very understanding.

This. This is exactly why FFG doesn't tell us all of their plans up front.

As much as I would love to see their release schedule for the next 24 months and know exactly what is coming when, there are too many factors beyond their control. Shipping, weather, production, third party (Disney) approval, etc.

What happens when they announce an expansion and then the boat sinks on the way from China and they have to push it back 3 months. The "Internet" says "Hey FFG, y'all are great, that really sucks, we're happy to wait on our stuff because Mother Nature said "NOPE".".....

Yeah, I think not

Scarif. Just give me the "Dirty Dozen" squad that has to punch way above their weight!

I'd love to see prequel factions. Naboo soldiers, Droid Separatists, Clones, they are all good for tabletop!

X-wing is not a great corrallary to Legion.

a better comparison would be armada.

in the scale of x-wing it’s very easy to say some scum could win a dog fight against the empire or rebellion. Same thing with IA, jawas could maybe beat a few stormtroopers.

but at the scale of armada very very few scum capital ships are currently in the fiction and if imperials bring an army we know how the Jawas fair.

So like in armada the fringe eliments will likely be drafted into the empire or rebellion.

Legion's scale really isn't that big. At most you can have... 36 stormtroopers on the table? Veers and either a few bikes or an AT-ST? That's essentially the scale of the little fight on Endor or really any episode of Rebels.

I do hope that Scum ends up acting like the mercenary faction most games have; with models that both work for other factions but also have the ability to be taken as a stand alone force. Imperial Assault's pecking order was an interesting version of that. Not sure it works long term, but it was interesting.

Legion is also made to be played at 1600 points

@TylerTT We see pirate bands with tanks and plenty of infantry to fulfill the 6 corps units requirements. Also Jabba's things would be ample to rout the reinforced platoon of Empire or Rebellion troops that Legion actually represents.

2 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

X-wing is not a great corrallary to Legion.

a better comparison would be armada.

in the scale of x-wing it’s very easy to say some scum could win a dog fight against the empire or rebellion. Same thing with IA, jawas could maybe beat a few stormtroopers.

but at the scale of armada very very few scum capital ships are currently in the fiction and if imperials bring an army we know how the Jawas fair.

So like in armada the fringe eliments will likely be drafted into the empire or rebellion.

***I was typing this up when @LunarSol posted his response, so I am basically expanding on what he said.

I'm not so sure that Legion and Armada are a good comparison either.

It takes WAY more resources to build a capital ship than it does to put some weapons on say, an Airspeeder.

Also, as much as the fans would love to see hundreds of Clone Troopers fighting hundreds of droids, that isn't Legion.

Legion is a platoon level game, much like Bolt Action. Think about the required units and their size. At a minimum you need 13 models and at a maximum (in standard size games) you can take up to 38 models between your Corps and Commander slots. There is a reason that (so far) vehicles are in Support or Heavy slots, because they are exactly that, support. This is a game about iconic unique Commanders leading platoon sized Corps elements with a few support elements (Specialist Forces, Support, & Heavy). Legion is not a game of "massed battles" with hundreds of troopers on each side.

Even if you only play Grand Army games you are still looking at a Company size game, at most. If you max out your Corps and Commanders you are still only going to put 63 models on the table. Still quite smaller than the hundreds of troopers per side that some people seem to be expecting Legion to be.

I would love to have Clone Wars for variety, but I'm okay with just light and dark for now. I plan to take a wait and see what comes attitude. My guess is they will go more recent rather than back to previous for new factions, as I believe 'long term' there needs to be more than two factions. As mentioned above, another thing to consider is how does FFG make a new faction feel different than Imperial and Rebel? A heavy melee faction wouldn't work when most of combat will be ranged.

5 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

Legion is also made to be played at 1600 points

So two reinforced platoons? We see pirate bands bigger than that, not to mention why didn't any of the factions in Clone Wars or GCW just conquer the Hutt crime syndacite if they could field that much? A couple of hover tanks, a few squads of goons, bounty Hunter, or two, and two gang leaders and you're easily pushing 1600.

I think the Droid army certainly has the best potential for inclusion. Multiple significantly different units with a good chunk of recognizable commanders. Differentiation is all in the special rules and judging by what we've seen so far, that will be less in the Corps ranks and more in the Commander/Support/Heavy options.

2 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

So two reinforced platoons? We see pirate bands bigger than that, not to mention why didn't any of the factions in Clone Wars or GCW just conquer the Hutt crime syndacite if they could field that much? A couple of hover tanks, a few squads of goons, bounty Hunter, or two, and two gang leaders and you're easily pushing 1600.

Jabba's execution party seems to have more than enough guards to populate an army of Legion's size.

1 minute ago, LunarSol said:

Jabba's execution party seems to have more than enough guards to populate an army of Legion's size.

Not to mention his sail barge. Isn't that thing darn near the size of an AT-AT?

Just now, NeonWolf said:

Not to mention his sail barge. Isn't that thing darn near the size of an AT-AT?

I assume they'd stick to the smaller skiffs.

Just now, LunarSol said:

I assume they'd stick to the smaller skiffs.

Oh, I would also, just trying to point out the size of the resources available to the "scum" factions at the scale of Legion.

Maybe it’s possible. I just would not count on it. I assume any clone wars era stuff would be it’s own starter set and compatable like they did with x-wing.

38 minutes ago, Javelin said:

I'd love to see prequel factions. Naboo soldiers, Droid Separatists, Clones, they are all good for tabletop!

I think you're leaving an army out - one that was seen in full force in A Phantom Menace.

And I'm sure you know exactly which army I'm talking about...