I guess this is my thing, so here we are again with another Versus article. Yay!
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/3/20/runewars-versus-fields-of-fire/
Now that I've posted this, I need to go read the article. Looking forward to the discussion!
Edited by Parakitor
So TL:DR uthuk is op?
Uthuk and Latari are both strong, especially considering recent store champs results. We dig in to this very topic on the next Initiative One, dropping tomorrow night!
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They didn't say, "Join us next time." So was that the last Versus article? Did they forget to do Waiqar vs. Daqan? I can't find that one in the list of news articles
Edited by Parakitor1 hour ago, Panzerninja said:So TL:DR uthuk is op?
I'm certainly more in that camp than out of it. We have a guy who is new who's killing everyone in league with Uthuk.
1 hour ago, Panzerninja said:So TL:DR uthuk is op?
I had a thought occur to me last night about this. Uthuk are a very in-your-face type of army. They cross the table quickly, get a lot of flanks, and get extra damage from that. Other armies right now are having trouble because their blockers aren’t good enough or they aren’t mobile enough.
-Daqan get scouts. Their ability to deploy last and then move creates opportunity for Daqan to flank and disrupt. Especially their turn 2 deployment champion that can essentially deploy and then early initiative charge nearly any unit they desire. This has potential to jam up a blitz army pretty badly even if you just catch one unit on a flank.
-Waiqar get Wraiths. These are going to be very irritating with metered march and the ability to pass through a unit, stop while touching their flank, and autoreform. Again, possibly badly disrupting a blitz. They also act as a flank defense against swarms. With their defensive, make the attacker reroll Stable dice effect, they can really gum up anything that doesn’t have rank discipline, precise, or full extra ranks. This particularly effects a lot of the 2x1 flankers that are so effective for Uthuk.
I think Latari just need the Darnati. Scions are great blockers against every other faction, but I think to counter Uthuk your blockers have to do damage back. Scions really don’t kill that much.
Uthuk on the other hand, don’t have a play style right now that enourages archers. Unless they get some weird, crazy archer unit that can move 3 and then shoot (they had better not), the archers will spend 2-3 turns just trying to get into position. For my Uthuk games, a lot of damage has been done by then. So armies should be getting the tech solutions to help against Uthuk while Uthuk’s current dominant strategy doesn’t get a lot more powerful. Archers should open up new options without overpowering the current one
...or I’m wrong, FFG did a piss poor job on game balance for another minis game, and RWM is on its way downhill fast.
Edited by Church14aww man, I was just hoping it was a joke.
Also pay no attention to my avatar, everything is fair and balanced.
In my opinion, Allen had a good setup, but the objective worked against him. What he would like to do is sit there and wait for the Uthuk to come into range, use Vicious Roots to tie up Ravos while the Deepwood Archers pepper him with arrows, and then attack him with Aliana. The problem is that the raging inferno can do some serious damage, so it's important for the Latari to get a move on. Maybe he should have accepted the losses and hunkered down?
Meanwhile Maegan moves up field so she has some protection from charges due to the placement of the Spikes, and she does her ranged magic to try lighting up the demons with her thunderbolts.
One thing that isn't clear to me is how the Deepwood Archers fell. Was it the Spined Threshers that did them in? I could totally see that because it's 3 threat vs. 3 threat. I wonder how helpful Close-quarters Targeting was.
44 minutes ago, Panzerninja said:aww man, I was just hoping it was a joke.
Also pay no attention to my avatar, everything is fair and balanced.
I don't want to give away our conclusions, but we didn't find anything that pointed to out-of-control power creep. The balance seems to be pretty good, except for one poor faction that is a little left behind.
58 minutes ago, Church14 said:I think Latari just need the Darnati. Scions are great blockers against every other faction, but I think to counter Uthuk your blockers have to do damage back. Scions really don’t kill that much.
You might be interested to hear what the math tells us on the Scions!
7 minutes ago, FranquesEnbiens said:I don't want to give away our conclusions, but we didn't find anything that pointed to out-of-control power creep. The balance seems to be pretty good, except for one poor faction that is a little left behind.
You might be interested to hear what the math tells us on the Scions!
scions so far to me have been obnoxious to move through without a turn of rallying for me.
This is definitely concerning, the Latari played basically how they always do for me vs uthuk. Get a few good shots in early, start feeling good about the battle, and then get swarmed and die.
On paper nothing about the uthuk seems overly op, except Ravos. I've been trying to wrap my head around how to beat them for at least 10 games now with Latari and waiqar but still haven't found a solution.
I really hope there aren't balance issues this early in the game, but it's getting really hard to not think so.
I'm holding onto the hope that darnati will turn things around for the Latari. I'm not sure wraiths will do much, another weak unit with a slower melee doesn't seem great. But of course then there will also be Kethra on the board and dead sprint to deal with.
I hope it's all just future proofing for the other factions new units, and the long delay is making uthuk seem better than they are...we'll have to see when the new stuff gets here I guess.
1 hour ago, FranquesEnbiens said:I don't want to give away our conclusions, but we didn't find anything that pointed to out-of-control power creep. The balance seems to be pretty good, except for one poor faction that is a little left behind.
You might be interested to hear what the math tells us on the Scions!
Quite interested. I’ve looked at running a large block of them to help generate more damage
47 minutes ago, FranquesEnbiens said:You might be interested to hear what the math tells us on the Scions!
I’m willing (kind of hoping in this one) to be proven wrong. I just haven’t found them to be enough at all to stop my Uthuk.
Im also willing to write off odd performance locally as quirks of an isolated meta
23 minutes ago, Church14 said:Im also willing to write off odd performance locally as quirks of an isolated meta
I really hope it's just us lol, curious to see what adepticon results will be.
Edited by Jukey1 hour ago, FranquesEnbiens said:The balance seems to be pretty good, except for one poor faction that is a little left behind.
Does the left behind faction start with a “D” and end with an “aqan”?
1 minute ago, Suhawk75 said:Does the left behind faction start with a “D” and end with an “aqan”?
I'll tell you that it's not Latari or Uthuk...
Kill Ravos fast, have armor 3+ or have wind Rune is working for us in SoCal. Getting over your fear of getting crushed by mortal strike is the key to beating Uthuk
3 hours ago, Drakoniss said:Kill Ravos fast, have armor 3+ or have wind Rune is working for us in SoCal. Getting over your fear of getting crushed by mortal strike is the key to beating Uthuk
High armor certainly seems to help. I do enjoy that now you can’t just tech against one type of damage and win against everyone.
Killing Ravos early would certainly help. If I ever goof and let you, I deserve the loss. Typically, my Ravos is in the backfield by end of turn 1 and either eating or engaging your support units. The few games he wasn’t able to pull that off, I was slowed down a lot.
I just haven’t seen Wind Rune be useful against Uthuk. Which is weird as it feels beyond broken when facing it as Waiqar. Maybe it’s the style of Uthuk I’m running. With 7 dials and a lot of speed, I am not really giving you anywhere to run to. Rippers have blocked your flanks, Wind Rune backwards is not viable in the tourney deployments, and Wind Rune forward (Zap Brannigan style) just lets me win faster.
Things Waiqar and Daqan do naturally well are countered pretty hard against each other and that makes people think those things don’t work.
for example putting tons of blight like 8+ a turn is terrible against Daqan but it’s amazing versus Uthuk and Latari
also Daqan with a lot of armor is terrible versus Waiqar but is great against Latari and Uthuk.
People are building lists for a meta that is over with and are getting smoked.
things like file leader on units that can get an initiative 3 attack and have flank guard are huge against Uthuk and they are terrible vs waiqar