So does anyone know what's up with the Torch thing that Mauls mini is holding? Is it something he uses in one of the TV shows perhaps?

Just curious

Dunno what it is. I cut it off...

1 hour ago, gmaecrawler said:

So does anyone know what's up with the Torch thing that Mauls mini is holding? Is it something he uses in one of the TV shows perhaps?

Just curious

This is Maul from REBELS. He's an old man now, and he uses a walking cane which is comprised of the thing you called 'a torch' and his modified lightsaber - a former inquisitor's lightsaber at that.

I am curious: How did they explain, that Maul survived being cut into two pieces by obi van AND falling several hundred meters into some reactor?

2 minutes ago, WasabiPrime said:

I am curious: How did they explain, that Maul survived being cut into two pieces by obi van AND falling several hundred meters into some reactor?

While I have have watched SW:Rebels, I haven't watched Clone Wars yet, but the rumor is that you get an explanation there.

I would guess Sustained by Rage .

(How do you explain the force ghosts of Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Joda?)

2 minutes ago, a1bert said:

While I have have watched SW:Rebels, I haven't watched Clone Wars yet, but the rumor is that you get an explanation there.

I would guess Sustained by Rage .

(How do you explain the force ghosts of Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Joda?)

Hmmm... I am currently watching those. He did not make an appearance so far, but so far I am only in the second season.

The force ghosts have an explanation, I believe in episode 2. Yoda tells Obi-Wan that he has some exercices for him and that his old mentor has discovered a path into immortality...

1 hour ago, WasabiPrime said:

Hmmm... I am currently watching those. He did not make an appearance so far, but so far I am only in the second season.

The force ghosts have an explanation, I believe in episode 2. Yoda tells Obi-Wan that he has some exercices for him and that his old mentor has discovered a path into immortality...

Episode 3 , at the very end.

Also @a1bert - Yoda

The reason why Maul survived being cut in two was that they realized that killing off Maul in TPM was a mistake, and so they shoved him into Clone Wars to develop him further. If I remember correctly, this was Lucas' idea, and the Clone Wars-showrunners where like "Whaaaat?!?", but I might remember this wrong, so don't quote me on that. Anyways, the best thing about Maul coming back was an amazing final lightsaberfight between him and Kenobi, one which was decided before the first blow was struck and was so much more badass than the weightless pointless flippyfloppydancinglightsaberballet we usually got in the prequel movies.

2 hours ago, Fourtytwo said:

The reason why Maul survived being cut in two was that they realized that killing off Maul in TPM was a mistake, and so they shoved him into Clone Wars to develop him further. If I remember correctly, this was Lucas' idea, and the Clone Wars-showrunners where like "Whaaaat?!?", but I might remember this wrong, so don't quote me on that. Anyways, the best thing about Maul coming back was an amazing final lightsaberfight between him and Kenobi, one which was decided before the first blow was struck and was so much more badass than the weightless pointless flippyfloppydancinglightsaberballet we usually got in the prequel movies.

Yes Maul returning in TCW was Lucas' idea, and the team on the show was like, um we already have a horned due to fill that role named Savage Opress but ok if you say so. And then they made Maul's reappearance into some of the best content that show had.

If you haven't watched The Clone Wars or Rebels you're doing yourself a disservice.*


*My Opinion

1 hour ago, Rogue Dakotan said:

If you haven't watched The Clone Wars or Rebels you're doing yourself a disservice.*

I strongly second that!

Clone Wars is tough because a lot of it is pretty bad. There are specific episodes and story arcs that are some of the best Star Wars stuff out there though and if you can get a good list of that its well worth going through as the series itself isn't particularly linear.

If you're interested, here's the video for it:

Major Maul spoilers from Clone Wars, Rebels, and other sources

19 hours ago, LunarSol said:

Clone Wars is tough because a lot of it is pretty bad. There are specific episodes and story arcs that are some of the best Star Wars stuff out there though and if you can get a good list of that its well worth going through as the series itself isn't particularly linear.

I keep meaning to jump back into it (after loving Rebels) but yeah I tried years ago, and oof, those first lot are cringy. I found a "watch these ones" list, but having trouble getting hold of them.

On ‎3‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 6:37 AM, a1bert said:

While I have have watched SW:Rebels, I haven't watched Clone Wars yet, but the rumor is that you get an explanation there.

I would guess Sustained by Rage .

(How do you explain the force ghosts of Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Joda?)

Force ghosts are non-corporeal and at no point in Star Wars (yet) have any of them returned to physical bodies. I would have thought it better writing to have him come back in another body, rather than survive being cut in half and thrown down a deep shaft, ala the Emperor. Instead it was more like Star Wars the 13th where Maul keeps dying and coming back the next iteration. Now, that being said, Maul has had some decent episodes. I think his inclusion in Rebels, while I initiated hated it, especially since Boba Fett, who is alive and active in this time period was purposefully left out, turned out to be one of the brighter spots in Rebels writing lore. Still, it was stupid that he came back not just for Clone Wars, but then again for Rebels. I still prefer him to that horrible, useless, General Grievous.

On ‎3‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 8:14 AM, Fourtytwo said:

The reason why Maul survived being cut in two was that they realized that killing off Maul in TPM was a mistake, and so they shoved him into Clone Wars to develop him further. If I remember correctly, this was Lucas' idea, and the Clone Wars-showrunners where like "Whaaaat?!?", but I might remember this wrong, so don't quote me on that. Anyways, the best thing about Maul coming back was an amazing final lightsaberfight between him and Kenobi, one which was decided before the first blow was struck and was so much more badass than the weightless pointless flippyfloppydancinglightsaberballet we usually got in the prequel movies.

It really was a cinematic masterpiece, though it was cribbed right from a scene in Seven Samurai, it was still epic. I was so happy it wasn't a long drawn-out action fest. As I said in my previous statement, Maul has been a good villain. Much better than Grievous. Killing him in TPM was a mistake. He should have escaped and been the central bad. Can you imagine him manipulating Anakin the way he did Ezra, and then trying to use Anakin to unseat the Emperor, only to find out that Sideous had already anticipated it and counter corrupted Anakin to take his side when confronted. ROTS could have had a Maul v Anakin fight and then a Obi Wan v Anakin fight. All this crap with Dookie and Grievous would have been unnecessary.

6 minutes ago, Rikalonius said:

It really was a cinematic masterpiece, though it was cribbed right from a scene in Seven Samurai, it was still epic. I was so happy it wasn't a long drawn-out action fest. As I said in my previous statement, Maul has been a good villain. Much better than Grievous. Killing him in TPM was a mistake. He should have escaped and been the central bad. Can you imagine him manipulating Anakin the way he did Ezra, and then trying to use Anakin to unseat the Emperor, only to find out that Sideous had already anticipated it and counter corrupted Anakin to take his side when confronted. ROTS could have had a Maul v Anakin fight and then a Obi Wan v Anakin fight. All this crap with Dookie and Grievous would have been unnecessary.

Yep, it was such a waste of a character. I thought he was being built up to be the prequels running, in-your-face villain, and then, nope. Dead. Oh... ok then.

Kind of made what followed less interesting and more "oh now there's this guy, oh hey, here's a wheezing robot too"... uh what? (Oh, toys sales, got it)

Also yes, Obi vs Maul was brilliant in rebels, I was all geared up for a fight, then that happened. For a second I was "aww man" but then quickly realised "no, that was really well handled"

I love this. We all love Star Wars.

Exhibit A: Someone asks what that thing a mini of Maul is holding is supposed to be. A few posts later we're having a talk about how this character was handled in the movies, and how they handled him much better in the animated series, and what a great poetic ending he got there.

For those of you wanting to get into the Clone Wars, the Chronological Order is definitely the best way to watch it. For some inexplicable reason, the entire series was told out of order, and even some arcs are split up across seasons. It's... kinda dumb, but that order helps so much.

Or alternatively, you could totally get away with just picking and choosing arcs. Each arc is sort of its own vignette, and they each have an opening sequence that does a good job of catching the viewer up, so you could only watch Maul's episodes even, if you want.

If you want the full Maul story, I'd suggest (first digit in number is season, second and third are episode):

For backstory, followed by:

There are also just some really good arcs that are totally outside of Maul, too. Cad Bane, for instance, is one of my favorite Star Wars villains.

I do not understand the obsession with putting something into chronological order which is not presented like that, especially if it has entertwining plots and an anthological structure. You can watch The Clone Wars as presented and understand everything which is going on just fine (and if not - please get your brain checked ) This is almost like someone taking Pulp Fiction and re-editing it into chronological order and claiming it's better like that... But that's just my opinion, who cares.

2 hours ago, Fourtytwo said:

I do not understand the obsession with putting something into chronological order which is not presented like that, especially if it has entertwining plots and an anthological structure. You can watch The Clone Wars as presented and understand everything which is going on just fine (and if not - please get your brain checked ) This is almost like someone taking Pulp Fiction and re-editing it into chronological order and claiming it's better like that... But that's just my opinion, who cares.

Pulp Fiction was specifically created with that structure in mind, though.

I don't really see The Clone Wars' broadcast order as an artistic decision, but frankly, a mess. When the team was a little more experienced (no longer "shinies") you see that the seasons tend to be much more streamlined. As far as I can tell, with the exception of 501 (likely done to make a more compelling season opener), the last three seasons run completely chronologically.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong and Filoni is some sort of genius experimental editor, but I think it's reasonable enough for people to want to watch a chronological version of this show without having to be told to get their "brain checked".

2 hours ago, subtrendy2 said:

don't know, maybe I'm wrong and Filoni is some sort of genius experimental editor, but I think it's reasonable enough for people to want to watch a chronological version of this show without having to be told to get their "brain checked".

I meant this tongue-in-cheek, unfortunately this sometimes translates badly in a post on the internet. Hence why I explicitly stated it's just my opinion. That being said, I noticed on first watching Clone Wars back in the days when it originally aired that they sometimes (in fact not that often and rarely in the core story- and character-arcs like Ahsoka and Anakin) jumped around in the overall narrative, but it never bothered me and never felt like a mess to me. I took it as a way to get across the feel of the anthological structure - self-contained story-arcs set in the overall story of the Clone Wars. You can watch it as you like - as presented or re-arranged into some chronological order, who am I to tell someone how to watch a tv show or in which order.

On 19/03/2018 at 4:36 PM, LunarSol said:

Clone Wars is tough because a lot of it is pretty bad. There are specific episodes and story arcs that are some of the best Star Wars stuff out there though and if you can get a good list of that its well worth going through as the series itself isn't particularly linear.

I have stalled watching it a little, but yes. Some of it is very good, and great fun to watch with some really interesting ideas... and some of it is really dumb. Tonally it is also all over the place ("This is a kid's cartoon? With screaming flamethrower victims, and the flopping dismembered shark head?"). This also extends to what I have seen of Rebels as well.

I have enjoyed it... but I don't think it is the classic I have seen some people say it is. The film was awful, and series as a whole is terrible at world building (but then so is Star Wars, since anything except the original trilogy pretty much), but it worth a watch.

On 20/03/2018 at 12:39 PM, Rikalonius said:

It really was a cinematic masterpiece, though it was cribbed right from a scene in Seven Samurai, it was still epic. I was so happy it wasn't a long drawn-out action fest. As I said in my previous statement, Maul has been a good villain. Much better than Grievous. Killing him in TPM was a mistake. He should have escaped and been the central bad. Can you imagine him manipulating Anakin the way he did Ezra, and then trying to use Anakin to unseat the Emperor, only to find out that Sideous had already anticipated it and counter corrupted Anakin to take his side when confronted. ROTS could have had a Maul v Anakin fight and then a Obi Wan v Anakin fight. All this crap with Dookie and Grievous would have been unnecessary.

I going to say don't really understand the love for Maul. His character was that he had a doubled ended lightsaber. He wasn't "the one good thing from the Phantom Menance", he was bad as well. Just there was so little to him and he had some cool lightsaber stunts that in the absolute trainwreck of a film he stood out as "not actually painful to watch."

Now, I will give the caveat that I have not seen him in Clone Wars or Rebels yet, and I know a lot of people enjoyed what they did with him, so I may be pleasantly surprised when I do see it. Just from what we see of him in the film... he is entirely "meh?"

2 hours ago, borithan said:

I going to say don't really understand the love for Maul. His character was that he had a doubled ended lightsaber. He wasn't "the one good thing from the Phantom Menance", he was bad as well. Just there was so little to him and he had some cool lightsaber stunts that in the absolute trainwreck of a film he stood out as "not actually painful to watch."

Now, I will give the caveat that I have not seen him in Clone Wars or Rebels yet, and I know a lot of people enjoyed what they did with him, so I may be pleasantly surprised when I do see it. Just from what we see of him in the film... he is entirely "meh?"

Star Wars is pretty infamous for drawing us in with awesome character designs, and keeping us with intriguing stories.

Even Vader himself was a pretty one-dimensional character until the last act of Empire Strikes Back.

I'd say Maul gets so much praise in TPM not because of what he does, but because of what he could have become. Instead of the stilted and disjointed villains and plot of the prequels, Maul could have been a personal villain for Obi Wan and perhaps Anakin. Belated Media does a pretty good job describing how this could be done (in multiple videos, if you're interested):

Basically, the point is that we could still have Dooku and Grievous running around later, but Maul could be a more personal fight (something the prequel fights truly lack).

Think about it:

In the OT we have

Obi Wan v Vader: former master and apprentice

Luke v Vader: father and son, revealed at end of duel (also Luke avenging Obi Wan and possibly his friends)

Luke v Vader and Palpatine: father redeemed by son, agonized by master

In the prequels, there is:

Qui Gon and Obi Wan v Maul: ???? (Though, afterward, Obi Wan would be justified in wanting revenge)

Anakin and Obi Wan v Dooku: A master and apprentice vs an old former Jedi who trained Obi Wan's master

Yoda v Sidious: Old master of the Jedi vs dark lord of the sith

Anakin v Obi Wan: former master and apprentice

While the OT had all of their fights as very personal, only the Anakin v Obi Wan fight (and arguably Yoda v Palpatine) had anything close to as much motivation behind it

And yeah, I'd say The Clone Wars and Rebels definitely flesh out Maul's character significantly, though the bar was obviously set pretty low.

On 3/23/2018 at 6:47 AM, borithan said:

I have stalled watching it a little, but yes. Some of it is very good, and great fun to watch with some really interesting ideas... and some of it is really dumb. Tonally it is also all over the place ("This is a kid's cartoon? With screaming flamethrower victims, and the flopping dismembered shark head?"). This also extends to what I have seen of Rebels as well.

I have enjoyed it... but I don't think it is the classic I have seen some people say it is. The film was awful, and series as a whole is terrible at world building (but then so is Star Wars, since anything except the original trilogy pretty much), but it worth a watch.

I going to say don't really understand the love for Maul. His character was that he had a doubled ended lightsaber. He wasn't "the one good thing from the Phantom Menance", he was bad as well. Just there was so little to him and he had some cool lightsaber stunts that in the absolute trainwreck of a film he stood out as "not actually painful to watch."

Now, I will give the caveat that I have not seen him in Clone Wars or Rebels yet, and I know a lot of people enjoyed what they did with him, so I may be pleasantly surprised when I do see it. Just from what we see of him in the film... he is entirely "meh?"

I didn't particularly like Maul in TPM. He was not at all like Darth Vader. The problem was that TPM didn't have much of a villain. Sideous was lousy and Maul was ok. The lightsaber fight was good when I first saw it, but later I realized that it was over choreographed. Still better than that abortion that was the fight in RTS. Now, that all being said, I was furious when they brought him back in TCW. I thought was a horrible mistake, and it was, but, he turned out not to be too bad and even later on he had some decent episodes. I hate and still hate Savage Opress, not only does have the laziest name in fiction, he was nothing more than Darth Maul 2.0. Later in TCW as the animus developed between he and Obi Wan, i started to relax and be more interested.

I was really unhappy when they brought him back in Rebels, but he's on par with Thrawn as a villain, and his arc where he manipulates Ezra in order to find Obi Wan both saves the show for me and saves Ezra as a character. Other than the standoff with Obi in the desert, my all time favorite moment was when Zeb, Sabine, and Hera think they are getting the jump on him with a brilliant plan and he smacks that crap down, and them, in a few seconds. I was like "Go Maul!".

Well I have to say you guys have definitely convinced me to watch Clone Wars and Rebels! Now im pretty interested to find out more about Mauls story.