It's such a shame they gave the Gauntlet Rogue. Without it they would be ~4 points cheaper, which alone would make them more worth considering. But more importantly it would allow them to work with Sloane, which would probably make them pretty decent, even without using Assault.
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6 hours ago, Lochlan said:It's such a shame they gave the Gauntlet Rogue. Without it they would be ~4 points cheaper, which alone would make them more worth considering. But more importantly it would allow them to work with Sloane, which would probably make them pretty decent, even without using Assault.
maybe they gave it rouge specifically not to work with Sloane though.
I think for 20 points and 6 hull, it could be alright with Sloane. It doesn't have a strong anti-squad attack, and with Sloane and Raid it's giving up a lot of damage to set up for an attack.
2 hours ago, Do I need a Username said:maybe they gave it rouge specifically not to work with Sloane though.
Probably, but seeing as nobody takes them that seems like a mistake.
I’m starting to wonder why I bothered list tinkering with Gauntlets now ?
1 hour ago, ISD Avenger said:I’m starting to wonder why I bothered list tinkering with Gauntlets now ?
Cuz you were like everyone else and wanted to make the new thing work. I wouldn't feel too bad. Raid should work well against the SSD.
17 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:Cuz you were like everyone else and wanted to make the new thing work. I wouldn't feel too bad. Raid should work well against the SSD.
When it automatically gains the token for the dial revealed?
Doubt it.
2 hours ago, Drasnighta said:When it automatically gains the token for the dial revealed?
Doubt it.
Even the command dials you assign to a Super Star Destroyer become more powerful. When you resolve one of these command tokens, you’ll also assign the corresponding command token to your ship! By getting more impact out of every command dial you assign to the Super Star Destroyer, you’ll be prepared to take on the entire enemy fleet on your own.
The article says you get the token when you resolve the dial (although it says token twice). Would Raid work then?
3 minutes ago, draco193 said:
Even the command dials you assign to a Super Star Destroyer become more powerful. When you resolve one of these command tokens, you’ll also assign the corresponding command token to your ship! By getting more impact out of every command dial you assign to the Super Star Destroyer, you’ll be prepared to take on the entire enemy fleet on your own.
The article says you get the token when you resolve the dial (although it says token twice). Would Raid work then?
I am flying an SSD.
I see a Gauntlet on the other side of the table.
I want to resolve Repair each turn.
I reveal my repair dial, take a token.
I get a Raid token on Repair! Oh No!
Discard banked Repair token from previous turn, reveal dial, take repair token for next turn.
Rinse and repeat.
5 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:I am flying an SSD.
I see a Gauntlet on the other side of the table.
I want to resolve Repair each turn.
I reveal my repair dial, take a token.
I get a Raid token on Repair! Oh No!
Discard banked Repair token from previous turn, reveal dial, take repair token for next turn.
Rinse and repeat.
Makes sense. Competent play beats Raid pretty easily. My thought was more in the reveal vs resolve dial portion though.
3 hours ago, Drasnighta said:When it automatically gains the token for the dial revealed?
Doubt it.
It will when you target a different command. Imps can't change their tokens and rely on Comms Net for flexibility.
1 minute ago, Undeadguy said:It will when you target a different command. Imps can't change their tokens and rely on Comms Net for flexibility.
Think about it.
Sure, you target a command and raid it...
... you only get any effect if it’s a command they’re going to do at some stage...
... and when it’s time..., they clear it with their free token...
Because as you say they don’t have token flexibility, so commands are coming from dials...
otherwise its like dropping squadron raids on a squadron less Force...
36 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:It will when you target a different command. Imps can't change their tokens and rely on Comms Net for flexibility.
Sovereign
Ahsoka just laughs at Raid tokens.
1 hour ago, BrobaFett said:I am flying an SSD.
I see a Gauntlet on the other side of the table.
I want to resolve Repair each turn.
I reveal my repair dial, take a token.
I get a Raid token on Repair! Oh No!
Discard banked Repair token from previous turn, reveal dial, take repair token for next turn.
Rinse and repeat.
disingenuous as you can be hit T1 most likely with these.
You see Gauntlet, you activate and take a repair.
Gauntlet hits you with a Nav Raid
Next dial you take you either lose the dial AND the token (did not resolve it so no token for you) or you use the command (if its not a Nav)
58 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:Think about it.
Sure, you target a command and raid it...
... you only get any effect if it’s a command they’re going to do at some stage...
... and when it’s time..., they clear it with their free token...
Because as you say they don’t have token flexibility, so commands are coming from dials...
otherwise its like dropping squadron raids on a squadron less Force...
Doesnt Raid have to have a matching token to remove? Not just any token? I know any dial works but thats the dial
6 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:disingenuous as you can be hit T1 most likely with these.
You see Gauntlet, you activate and take a repair.
Gauntlet hits you with a Nav Raid
Next dial you take you either lose the dial AND the token (did not resolve it so no token for you) or you use the command (if its not a Nav)
You're right, raid is awesome and you should play it all the time and prove how awesome it is to everyone.
In fact, just go ahead from now on I'll just go ahead and assume everything I say is wrong right after I say it so we can just skip the part where tag me in your posts showing me the error of my ways.
Edited by BrobaFettI think we will need to see how the dial/token rule works with the SSD. The article says " Even the command dials you assign to a Super Star Destroyer become more powerful. When you resolve one of these command tokens, you’ll also assign the corresponding command token to your ship! By getting more impact out of every command dial you assign to the Super Star Destroyer, you’ll be prepared to take on the entire enemy fleet on your own."
If the article is correct (which is a big assumption), raid would prevent the SSD from getting a token because raid prevents you from resolving the matching command. However, I think it makes more sense for the SSD to gain a matching token when it reveals the dial, and thus making the SSD mostly immune to raid.
1 minute ago, Undeadguy said:I think we will need to see how the dial/token rule works with the SSD. The article says " Even the command dials you assign to a Super Star Destroyer become more powerful. When you resolve one of these command tokens, you’ll also assign the corresponding command token to your ship! By getting more impact out of every command dial you assign to the Super Star Destroyer, you’ll be prepared to take on the entire enemy fleet on your own."
If the article is correct (which is a big assumption), raid would prevent the SSD from getting a token because raid prevents you from resolving the matching command. However, I think it makes more sense for the SSD to gain a matching token when it reveals the dial, and thus making the SSD mostly immune to raid.
It depends on if it reads like Raymus Antilles then it would bypass raid and then lose the token for it. If not and you have to resolve the dial then no token.
20 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:disingenuous as you can be hit T1 most likely with these.
You see Gauntlet, you activate and take a repair.
Gauntlet hits you with a Nav Raid
Next dial you take you either lose the dial AND the token (did not resolve it so no token for you) or you use the command (if its not a Nav)
"I want to resolve Repair each turn."
He has no intention of resolving a Nav command.
23 minutes ago, Valca said:"I want to resolve Repair each turn."
He has no intention of resolving a Nav command.
That's fine. The ship wouldn't like that much as it's only 6 total points or 4 with the token.
If it's on the resolve it goes
1. I reveal repair get free token"
2. Raid repair token is applied
3. SSD uses repair token and you don't get another token because you are pass the reveal step
4. Another raid token applied and the engineering is blocked until cleared by the dial.
If you just get the token for just revealing then raid is 100% useless.
Which makes me question why they created raid
6 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:That's fine. The ship wouldn't like that much as it's only 6 total points or 4 with the token.
If it's on the resolve it goes
1. I reveal repair get free token"
2. Raid repair token is applied
3. SSD uses repair token and you don't get another token because you are pass the reveal step
4. Another raid token applied and the engineering is blocked until cleared by the dial.
If you just get the token for just revealing then raid is 100% useless.
Which makes me question why they created raid
Pretty sure you get the token for revealing. The precendent is there with Raymus already. Yes, that makes raid fairly worthless against the SSD except to cancel out the free token.
Raid was created to screw with Yavaris. It's an odd little gimmick that, like many of our odd little gimmicks, was costed a bit too high.
6 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:That's fine. The ship wouldn't like that much as it's only 6 total points or 4 with the token.
If it's on the resolve it goes
1. I reveal repair get free token"
2. Raid repair token is applied
3. SSD uses repair token and you don't get another token because you are pass the reveal step
4. Another raid token applied and the engineering is blocked until cleared by the dial.
If you just get the token for just revealing then raid is 100% useless.
Which makes me question why they created raid
Basically it works itself out either way. If it's on resolve, you just need a comms net or lead in token.
If on reveal:
- Reveal Dial
- Get Token
- Spend Token to Discard Raid
- Resolve Dial
If on resolve:
- Reveal Dial
- Spend Token from Previous Turn to Discard Raid
- Resolve Dial
- Get Token
So essentially raid isn't preventing the command on the SSD. It's just preventing 2 points of repair when they get around to using it.
You are not alone Lyraeus. I was excited about Raid. If it had not had the stupid cheesy token discard mechanic it would have been good. You can tell that the testing on it was misleading and that last minute crash balance changes were made because the Dial discarding all raid tokens makes Jyn especially totally bewildering. What good are 2 raid tokens if the one dial discards them both? But you hit the nail on the head. We all wonder raid was even made. It's an interesting mechanic gimped by how impossible it is to apply and easy it is to negate.
Add that to the chance that even adding a raid token is not guaranteed (I played a fleet with 4 against Mandalorian Moose and triggered raid 1 time off a non-Gar gauntlet all game) and the effect is easily mitigated outside the vacuum of theory where passing a token is a 20/25 pt ship using it's activation.
In the realm of cost vs benefit, Gauntlets are 20pts in exchange for a token that costs 20pts to take off every turn. You have a chance to fail, they do not. Therefore your opponent will get more benefit out their 20pts than you will yours.
11 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:You can tell that the testing on it was misleading and that last minute crash balance changes were made because the Dial discarding all raid tokens makes Jyn especially totally bewildering.
You can? Huh. News to me. I mean it's not like there was a whole wave to test that included huge game altering mechnanics, such as Pryce and Bail, along with four new ship variants.
Edited by Truthiness14 minutes ago, Truthiness said:Pretty sure you get the token for revealing. The precendent is there with Raymus already. Yes, that makes raid fairly worthless against the SSD except to cancel out the free token.
Raid was created to screw with Yavaris. It's an odd little gimmick that, like many of our odd little gimmicks, was costed a bit too high.
Its bad design if that is all it was for. Armada has very little overall bad designs like that. Likely we are missing something down the road if they are still testing
IF the article is correct raid is decent against an SSD, however if it is Raymus on a ship its useless as I said