These guys are really ticking me off. It's been months since Return to the Night of the Zealot has been announced, and we have not been given a timeline for the release. Both The Forgotten Age Deluxe Expansion and the first corresponding mythos pack have been announced, and only the mythos pack shows to be in development. It's official: after 4 months at the printer, Labrynths of Lunacy is stuck in printer lymbo. The only news we've been given is that two novellas are available for pre order. Can FFG not focus on properties other than Star Wars and L5R?

Except after the mad rush to get the first L5R cycle out, they've announced precisely one expansion - a Clan pack that only services 1/7th of the game's fan base. And the Star Wars LCG is officially over.

Delays happen. FFG is notoriously bad about communicating why, but I don't think it's ridiculous that Return was announced only 2 months ago and they haven't given us a release date yet. It's par for the course, but it had nothing to do with them pouring more energy into other product lines.

If one product is delayed, okay. That's understandable. Delays happen. Two products delayed, that's pushing it. Three products, there is obviously some incompetence that needs to be weeded out. As far as not having a date for RttNotZ, I'm fine without having a solid release date. It's infuriating to know other products are shown to be in development days after the announcement, and Zealot shows nothing.

55 minutes ago, Turtlefan2082 said:

It's infuriating to know other products are shown to be in development days after the announcement, and Zealot shows nothing.

So you're really going off like this just because they haven't updated the product page to say "In Development"?

I mean, do you really believe it's not in development? That we've seen a full article on it, with pictures of the cards, and the box, and the dividers... but they haven't actually done any work on it?

Arkham's release cycle has been rock solid so far. The only thing which has seen delay is Labyrinths of Lunacy, which by most accounts is because they shifted to full production rather than POD, which will mean higher quality cards (how DARE they?!?). Return is slated for Q2, which hasn't even started yet, so hard to see how we can call it delayed.

It seems a little extreme to me to suggest someone needs to be fired because one field on a preview page hasn't been properly updated.

1 hour ago, Turtlefan2082 said:

If one product is delayed, okay. That's understandable. Delays happen. Two products delayed, that's pushing it. Three products, there is obviously some incompetence that needs to be weeded out. As far as not having a date for RttNotZ, I'm fine without having a solid release date. It's infuriating to know other products are shown to be in development days after the announcement, and Zealot shows nothing.

You mentioned yourself that the first Mythos pack in the Forgotten Age cycle is on the Upcoming page, but its parent Deluxe box isn’t, which would be **** odd if they released the Mythos pack without the corresponding Deluxe! They occasionally seem to forget to update the Upcoming page, which doesn’t mean it’s okay for them to do, but also shouldn’t be taken as a sign that nothing’s happening. It will probably just magically appear ‘On the boat’ at some point when someone remembers to update it and realises it’s not on there! I really wouldn’t worry for a good few months yet.

7 hours ago, Turtlefan2082 said:

These guys are really ticking me off. It's been months since Return to the Night of the Zealot has been announced, and we have not been given a timeline for the release. Both The Forgotten Age Deluxe Expansion and the first corresponding mythos pack have been announced, and only the mythos pack shows to be in development. It's official: after 4 months at the printer, Labrynths of Lunacy is stuck in printer lymbo. The only news we've been given is that two novellas are available for pre order. Can FFG not focus on properties other than Star Wars and L5R?

I want to make you feel better, but I don't know how to do that. Here is my attempts.

Yeah LoL's been delayed. That sucks and I want it, but we have been getting a monthly stream of content in the meantime. That's pretty good.

As far as the product page not being updated, for me having those products listed as under development or on the boat won't do much. It would just be a listing of a non defined time. All I am trying to say is maybe it's not that big a deal that it is not listed.

Finally, it's just a game I play for fun. I am not going to get upset over sloppy updates or delays. Its what I do to get away from stress. Now I will get upset when my friend makes a bonehead play that costs us a scenerio. I will be even more upset when that person making the mistake is me.

I hope some of that helps.

While I can't offer any information about Labyrinths of Lunacy, which does seem to have been heavily delayed for unknown reasons, The Forgotten Age and Return to the Night of the Zealot are listed on both the French and Spanish FFG Upcoming pages. The French page even claims a release date of 6th April for The Forgotten Age (which I'm not sure I believe), while the Spanish page lists a more conservative Q2 release for both products.

Also, I think there's a post somewhere on the Internet (I can't find it now, the Internet is a big place) where an FFG employee said that they don't just develop an entire LCG cycle at once, they print them all at the same time as well. The Upcoming page is more of a "how long until release" page. This is why future cards occasionally end up out in the wild early, e.g. the French language cards of Lost in Time and Space accidentally being put in some copies of Blood on the Altar The Miskatonic Museum .

P.S. Thanks to whoever pointed the non-English language versions of the FFG website out, I think it was on this forum but could have been BGG.

3 hours ago, Assussanni said:

This is why future cards occasionally end up out in the wild early, e.g. the French language cards of Lost in Time and Space accidentally being put in some copies of Blood on the Altar .

They were put in copies of The Miskatonic Museum (pack 1) rather than Blood on the Altar (pack 3). The leaflet was that for pack 1, though, so only the cards were out early.

18 minutes ago, Khudzlin said:

They were put in copies of The Miskatonic Museum (pack 1) rather than Blood on the Altar (pack 3). The leaflet was that for pack 1, though, so only the cards were out early.

Thanks, I remembered it as being Blood on the Altar so foolishly I didn't go back and check.

33 minutes ago, Assussanni said:

Thanks, I remembered it as being Blood on the Altar so foolishly I didn't go back and check.

Some of my friends got the bugged packs (and were not at all upset about it). I didn't, because I buy the cards in English.

And now they've announced more investigators and cards from The Forgotten Age! Are they insane? Don't they know they haven't even posted a release date yet?!

41 minutes ago, CSerpent said:

And now they've announced more investigators and cards from The Forgotten Age! Are they insane? Don't they know they haven't even posted a release date yet?!

You realize they don't announce release dates until about 2 weeks before release right?

The release date for Dim Carcosa was announced last week.

We are on track for Return to be released 3rd or 4th week of April, with a May release date for Forgotten Age. Labyrinths is still a bit of an enigma.

5 hours ago, Radix2309 said:

You realize they don't announce release dates until about 2 weeks before release right?

The release date for Dim Carcosa was announced last week.

We are on track for Return to be released 3rd or 4th week of April, with a May release date for Forgotten Age. Labyrinths is still a bit of an enigma.

I do realize that. I guess I dropped this:

/sarcasm

1 hour ago, CSerpent said:

I do realize that. I guess I dropped this:

/sarcasm

Don't worry... some of us caught that.

LoL was delayed for two reasons. First, they decided they wanted to have a proper print run of it instead of doing a PoD in house. Second, they are rewriting it to be more friendly to small groups, by allowing you to play it as three four-person scenarios as well as the 12-person scenario it originally was.

If you want to have a temper tantrum about this then I guess that is your prerogative, just please take it somewhere else.

15 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

Second, they are rewriting it to be more friendly to small groups, by allowing you to play it as three four-person scenarios as well as the 12-person scenario it originally was.

Both the 3-group and single-group options already existed in the scenario though, and we've played both with good results...

2 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:

LoL was delayed for two reasons. First, they decided they wanted to have a proper print run of it instead of doing a PoD in house. Second, they are rewriting it to be more friendly to small groups, by allowing you to play it as three four-person scenarios as well as the 12-person scenario it originally was.

My understanding was that it was never a single twelve person scenario, but was designed from the beginning to be played as such by separating into 3 groups up to 4 people each with events in each scenario affecting the play of the other groups. Your statement is the first I've seen any indication that any rewriting has taken place.

1 hour ago, mwmcintyre said:

My understanding was that it was never a single twelve person scenario, but was designed from the beginning to be played as such by separating into 3 groups up to 4 people each with events in each scenario affecting the play of the other groups. Your statement is the first I've seen any indication that any rewriting has taken place.

I think what he's referring to is the option to play it as 3 sequential scenarios, rather than running the 3 games simultaneously. But KBlumhardt is correct - this was included in the rules from the beginning. So unless they're revising it, I think this one is all on the printing process.

On 16/03/2018 at 11:05 AM, Assussanni said:

While I can't offer any information about Labyrinths of Lunacy, which does seem to have been heavily delayed for unknown reasons, The Forgotten Age and Return to the Night of the Zealot are listed on both the French and Spanish FFG Upcoming pages. The French page even claims a release date of 6th April for The Forgotten Age (which I'm not sure I believe), while the Spanish page lists a more conservative Q2 release for both products.

A french store has preorders with a release announced for the first half of april. So it really seems Forgotten Age will be out soon.

6 hours ago, Cyiel said:

A french store has preorders with a release announced for the first half of april. So it really seems Forgotten Age will be out soon.

While it’s possible, I would be very surprised. I know we’ve only had one transition between cycles so far, but it was about two months gap, if memory serves, between the end of Dunwich and the start of Carcosa, so I’m kind of expecting the same. The other thing to bear in mind is that Return to Night of the Zealot is likely to be out prior to Forgotten Age. So I’m guessing it’s RtKotZ in April/May, then Forgotten Age in May/June. Then Labyrinths of Lunacy about October. ?

As for release dates on retailer websites, they’re often based on a combination of initial announcement release windows and wishful thinking. I never pay them much mind until the Upcoming page has a release date. Even then, it’s not always the same date here in Europe, usually, but not always.

3 hours ago, General Zodd said:

While it’s possible, I would be very surprised. I know we’ve only had one transition between cycles so far, but it was about two months gap, if memory serves, between the end of Dunwich and the start of Carcosa, so I’m kind of expecting the same. The other thing to bear in mind is that Return to Night of the Zealot is likely to be out prior to Forgotten Age. So I’m guessing it’s RtKotZ in April/May, then Forgotten Age in May/June. Then Labyrinths of Lunacy about October. ?

As for release dates on retailer websites, they’re often based on a combination of initial announcement release windows and wishful thinking. I never pay them much mind until the Upcoming page has a release date. Even then, it’s not always the same date here in Europe, usually, but not always.

I ordered many times on this website and each time (but one) their release dates were right and they already sell and send products before FFG France have them for their website store. So i'm not so pessimistic about the release date of 6 april (for the french translation).

But to be honest, i was surprised too that there isn't a 1-2 month'(s) gap between the last Carcosa's pack and the next box.

I find it unlikely, there is a 2 week gap. That is shorter than anything they have ever done.

- But to be honest, i was surprised too that there isn't a 1-2 month'(s) gap between the last Carcosa's pack and the next box.

I'm not so sure that we can say that yet. I'm still expecting (unfortunately) a gap btw PtC and FA.

I can imagine a faster turn around this time, since they don't have the disruption of Gencon in the middle.

You have to think everything at the office gets disrupted leading up to Gen con and they lose a week coming back from that as well.

I am still skeptical about April 6th.

Especially with Return to Night of the Zealot fitting in between them too, probably April or May. That’s why I would expect Forgotten Age in May at the earliest, probably June. If it’s earlier than that, I’ll be very happy! I’m mostly just managing my own expectations...