Here are my top 3 simple fixes to the Last Jedi (and keeping the major plot points) which would have vastly improved the film:

1) Have Holdo save the Resistance fleet (with the Raddus) from Poe’s folly. (Yes, Poe’s destruction of the dreadnaught was correct.) If he was clearly losing and Holdo and the Raddus saved the remainder of the Resistance fighters at the beginning would show why Holdo was valued instead of told. Plus giving emotional attachment to Holdo AND the Raddus. (I think one of the biggest over looks of modern blockbuster Sci Fi is not making ships characters.) if the Raddus was tore up protecting Poe’s fighter squadron would have shown that. (The Hyperspace ram should also be substituted with a slow ram taking a crap ton of fire.)

2) Hux should have been Tyrion to Kylo’s Goffery. Hux should have been the ‘Brains’ of the First Order keeping Kylo in line with Snoke’s approval. Smart, but in no way a match physically or feared as Kylo, but still could exert power in Snokes ear. Imagine the power dynamic change once Snoke is no longer. It could have been a great 30 second scene that would have added a ton of weight. He should have NEVER been defanged for a punchline like the “prank call” scene in the opening scene. (Admittedly I laughed in the theatre.) This hurt the film overall, making the villains feel like a joke instead of a threat.

3) Rose should have been the traitor/spy, not DJ. This would have covered major plot holes through out the film (To the point where I believe it could have been wrote this way in very early drafts.) Canto Bight and the political speeches have a deeper nihilistic meaning. It gives the Canto Bight at least some sort of impact in the film. Hondo doesn’t tell anyone her plan for suspected imperial spies. It just solves many of the parts people are not happy about. Plus it is ‘subversion’ you think DJ is the spy, but nope, it is sweethearted Rose.

Bonus: (Which can still happen, but is a major plot point.) Rey is Luke’s daughter. If the timeline of the flashbacks is not in order, this can explain a lot. Ben starts to be influenced by Snoke and the Knights of Ren. He is convinced to betray Luke and his new Jedi. While Luke is away they plot to destroy the Hefi temple. During the Jedi’s temple’s destruction Ben has a change of heart, saves a young Rey by sending her off with junkers. Luke returns, thinking his daughter is dead and sensing Ben had a part in it, raises his light saber. Ben thinking he saved Rey and seeing this as a betrayal by Luke ... and the rest is history . And a side note, I love the idea of anyone can be a hero including a no one, but not for Rey’s character.

Well that’s my 2 cents on fixing the Last Jedi with a few simple “should have happened suggestions” without destroying the story the director put forth.

There is no fixing this horrible story.

Making Rey the abandoned child of one of the OT heroes would have been character assassination of at least equal level to what they did to Luke already. Luke having abandoned his child (and his lover/wife?) would be insult to the injuries already done. That would be horrible.

There is no fixing this script. You can't fix the nihilistic attitude and complete failure to understand what Star Wars is about that created this cinematic travesty. A few edits to the screenplay won't fix the empty lazy heads that let this mockery of a Star Wars story get produced.

They killed the wrong characters. Plain and simple. (and they brought Phasma back)

The first order should have been competent* and threathening and managed to be neither.

And purple hairs suicide run opened another can of worms: If lightspeed ramming is so effective why didn't the rebellion not do that with the death star? (Ok ok they probably hadn't figured it out at that time, but still.)

* As in actually SHOOT things!

EDIT: Snoke isn't one of the wrong ones. That gimp's death was the best comic relief scene in the whole saga.

I got an even easier one, it should have just been about Rey being Trained by Luke, discard everything else.

5 hours ago, Robin Graves said:

They killed the wrong characters. Plain and simple. (and they brought Phasma back)

The first order should have been competent* and threathening and managed to be neither.

And purple hairs suicide run opened another can of worms: If lightspeed ramming is so effective why didn't the rebellion not do that with the death star? (Ok ok they probably hadn't figured it out at that time, but still.)

* As in actually SHOOT things!

EDIT: Snoke isn't one of the wrong ones. That gimp's death was the best comic relief scene in the whole saga.

Oh the Hyper Speed Ramming wouldn't work XD. We have a primary cannon example showing a Imperial 2 class doing a Hyperspace ram on the Blockade runner and it virtually did nothing to the Bow of the SD while the other ship went bye bye.

The Executor was hyperspaced rammed by three Imperial class SD all at once, and all it did was bring down the shields 40%. Now that we know that Imperial Class SD weigh 40 million tons, the exact same weight of Grand Cruisers used by the IOM and Chaos in 40k lol, the Executors shields tanked 22, 353,840,000,000 tons of Force. and since that only brought it down 40% it could take around 5-6 more Imperial Class ships doing a Hyper Speed ram. Also take into consideration that SD are made for ramming, via the shape of their bow and how durable those are. Because of their pointed nature the energy put out in a ram is gonna be a lot higher than I posted.

Now the Mega Class Star Destroyer was hyperspaced rammed by a large ship with possibly the most powerful shields to exist on a Cap ship, it was calculated, THAT ALL THE AREAS THAT WERE CONNECTED TO THE AREA THAT WAS RAMMED, SURVIVED SEPTILIONS OF TONS OF ENERGY FROM THE MASS PARTICLE COLLISION. That would be enough to kill a earth sized planet. However it still wont work against a Death Star or at the very least the 2nd Death Star, as its written in the lore that it's shields, not only are the most powerful and advanced, can only be taken down by another Super Laser, we know through calculations via the rate of travel of the debris of the first planet we see the First Death Star kill, that it is at the least a Brown Dwarf Killer, that is still a **** of a lot more than what the Rebels largest ship in ep 8 can put out from a hyperspace ram, while the 2nd Death Stars lasers is calculated basically not having a limitation on the stars it can kill.

Now maybe maybe maybe, it would be possible the Rebels could kill the 2nd Death Star if it was rammed with every single ship in the Entire Rebel Alliance all at once, because not doing it at once will be negated by the refresh rate of the planetary shields. That would however cause a diffrent problem, the Alliance would have killed all their members just to kill the 2nd Death Star, while the rest of the Empire is left in tack with no enemies to have to fight, minus the Zann Consort and Pirate forces.

Oh and to answer your question again, the IMP ships with gravity projectors will stop those ships from ramming.

6 hours ago, Black Knight Leader said:

The Executor was hyperspaced rammed by three Imperial class SD all at once, and all it did was bring down the shields

RIP Admiral Amise Griff

It was actually two ISDs and a larger class of Star Destroyer . While never officially classified, I used to call it the Admiralty Class Star Destroyer .

17 hours ago, Black Knight Leader said:

Oh the Hyper Speed Ramming wouldn't work XD. We have a primary cannon example showing a Imperial 2 class doing a Hyperspace ram on the Blockade runner and it virtually did nothing to the Bow of the SD while the other ship went bye bye.

The Executor was hyperspaced rammed by three Imperial class SD all at once, and all it did was bring down the shields 40%. Now that we know that Imperial Class SD weigh 40 million tons, the exact same weight of Grand Cruisers used by the IOM and Chaos in 40k lol, the Executors shields tanked 22, 353,840,000,000 tons of Force. and since that only brought it down 40% it could take around 5-6 more Imperial Class ships doing a Hyper Speed ram. Also take into consideration that SD are made for ramming, via the shape of their bow and how durable those are. Because of their pointed nature the energy put out in a ram is gonna be a lot higher than I posted.

Now the Mega Class Star Destroyer was hyperspaced rammed by a large ship with possibly the most powerful shields to exist on a Cap ship, it was calculated, THAT ALL THE AREAS THAT WERE CONNECTED TO THE AREA THAT WAS RAMMED, SURVIVED SEPTILIONS OF TONS OF ENERGY FROM THE MASS PARTICLE COLLISION. That would be enough to kill a earth sized planet. However it still wont work against a Death Star or at the very least the 2nd Death Star, as its written in the lore that it's shields, not only are the most powerful and advanced, can only be taken down by another Super Laser, we know through calculations via the rate of travel of the debris of the first planet we see the First Death Star kill, that it is at the least a Brown Dwarf Killer, that is still a **** of a lot more than what the Rebels largest ship in ep 8 can put out from a hyperspace ram, while the 2nd Death Stars lasers is calculated basically not having a limitation on the stars it can kill.

Now maybe maybe maybe, it would be possible the Rebels could kill the 2nd Death Star if it was rammed with every single ship in the Entire Rebel Alliance all at once, because not doing it at once will be negated by the refresh rate of the planetary shields. That would however cause a diffrent problem, the Alliance would have killed all their members just to kill the 2nd Death Star, while the rest of the Empire is left in tack with no enemies to have to fight, minus the Zann Consort and Pirate forces.

What if all the rebels wore purple wigs?

On 3/16/2018 at 8:17 PM, Robin Graves said:

What if all the rebels wore purple wigs?

Now you are playing with real Horse Power!!!!

I agree with everything the OP said except -

On 3/14/2018 at 10:58 PM, Jadotch said:

Here are my top 3 simple fixes to the Last Jedi (and keeping the major plot points) which would have vastly improved the film:

1) Have Holdo Admiral F*****G Ackbar save the Resistance fleet *snip*

2 hours ago, Jo Jo said:

I agree with everything the OP said except -

I absolutely agree with that! I was just not trying to change too much of the plot. It always should have been Ackbar.

1: Leia dies in the First Order attack
2: The entire Maz/Finn/Rose/DJ/Canto Bight subplot gets canned
3: Ackbar is the one who stays behind to ram the Dreadnaught, Holdo takes Leia's place in the final act and survives

Honorable mention to Luke surviving and rejoining the Resistance at the end. It still wouldn't be great, but it'd be better.

5 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

1: Leia dies in the First Order attack
2: The entire Maz/Finn/Rose/DJ/Canto Bight subplot gets canned
3: Ackbar is the one who stays behind to ram the Dreadnaught, Holdo takes Leia's place in the final act and survives

Honorable mention to Luke surviving and rejoining the Resistance at the end. It still wouldn't be great, but it'd be better.

I'd actually really like those changes a lot. Especially if we got more Rey/Luke time in the time Canto Bight took.

However, I also still like the galactic political commentary on the whole 1%ers and how infinite warfare is driven by capitalism from DJ and Rose, though. It could've been talked about somewhere else, though. Maybe through Maz in Episode IX or something.

6 minutes ago, SpikeSpiegel said:

I'd actually really like those changes a lot. Especially if we got more Rey/Luke time in the time Canto Bight took.

However, I also still like the galactic political commentary on the whole 1%ers and how infinite warfare is driven by capitalism from DJ and Rose, though. It could've been talked about somewhere else, though. Maybe through Maz in Episode IX or something.

Well given how JJ got too much Star Wars in our Star Trek it was only a matter of time before they got too much Star Trek in our Star Wars.

1 minute ago, SpikeSpiegel said:

I'd actually really like those changes a lot. Especially if we got more Rey/Luke time in the time Canto Bight took.

However, I also still like the galactic political commentary on the whole 1%ers and how infinite warfare is driven by capitalism from DJ and Rose, though. It could've been talked about somewhere else, though. Maybe through Maz in Episode IX or something.

Thanks. I've posted my reasonings for those particular changes before elsewhere;

Leia dying during the First Order attack would have made for an incredibly emotional scene and would have served to drive Kylo's character forward. He hesitates with his finger on the trigger when he senses Leia on the bridge of the Raddus. Quickdraw (who else) takes the shot instead of him, blasting the bridge out. The last we see of Leia is her close her eyes in the explosion. Kylo flies into a blind rage, taking his fury out on his wingmen before abandoining the attack. The Resistance enters to the remains of the bridge to find no trace of Leia and a greviously injured Ackbar, who hands control of the Raddus over to Holdo.

On Ahch-To, Luke senses Leia's passing (like Leia sensed Han's passing in The Force Awakens), and that's what finally spurs him into action to rejoin the Resistance after realising what his absence has cost. We see him grimly preparing himself to re-enter the fray.

Holdo organises the escape to Crait, and the injured Ackbar - knowing he'll never survive - persuades her to protect the remenants of the Resistance, while he covers their retreat on the Raddus, ending with the suicide run on the Supremacy.

Luke appears to battle Kylo on Crait as he does in the film - using an astral projection, as he does in the film, but afterwards instead of vanishing into thin air, we see him calmly meditating... and the camera pans down the cliff to the water, where we see his X-Wing slowly starting to rise.

...I appreciate that this heavily-edited version leaves Finn with very little to do (apart from heal from his sliced up spine, of course), but the whole Canto Bight schtick... ugh. The plan was so convoluted, made very little sense and was an entire mess of heavy-handed political messages. The commentary on warfare driven by capitalism was definitely intriguing and had a place in the narrative, but it was almost lost amongst everything else that was goiong on.

1 hour ago, Frimmel said:

Well given how JJ got too much Star Wars in our Star Trek it was only a matter of time before they got too much Star Trek in our Star Wars.

The only Star Trek J.J. brought to Star Wars was the Star Wars he already took into Star Trek. J.J. was, self-admittedly, never a fan of Trek.

I think if Leia dies right there then we never get the fake out of not knowing for sure what Kylo is. He’d be set in steel if he felt her die.

You guys are taking all the fun out of the movie : /

11 hours ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

I think if Leia dies right there then we never get the fake out of not knowing for sure what Kylo is. He’d be set in steel if he felt her die.

You guys are taking all the fun out of the movie : /

We're taking the fun out of the movie?

Force Awakens -- Killed Han Solo

Rogue One -- Killed the whole cast

Last Jedi -- Killed Luke Skywalker

But it's the audience taking the fun out of these movies?

13 hours ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

I think if Leia dies right there then we never get the fake out of not knowing for sure what Kylo is. He’d be set in steel if he felt her die.

You guys are taking all the fun out of the movie : /

Nah, I see it exactly the opposite way. If Leia had died during the attack on the Raddus - at the hands of Kylo's minion, when Kylo hesitates - we'd have even more reason to doubt which way Kylo would swing.

His hatred for the First Order would match his hatred of the Resistance.

Have him gun down his wingmen in a fury, and Snoke compel him to return to the fleet as a result. It would explain why the First Order didn't press their attack, help build Kylo's character and cast serious doubts over his loyalties at the same time.

My favorite fix is just NOT MAKE LUKE DIE FROM... exhaustion?!

4 hours ago, Zura said:

My favorite fix is just NOT MAKE LUKE DIE FROM... exhaustion?!

Midichlorian overdose.

boneitis