Are we really about to have a Bellator or Assertor Class Star Dreadnought in Armada ???
It's maybe not a SSD, but that could be something BIG
Someone warn me that this ship is confirmed as a Assertor Class
Star Dreadnought in Armada ???
Someone warn me that this ship is confirmed as a Assertor Class
Look like this to me
On the Rebel side we could get finally the Dauntless class heavy cruiser.
I really hope you're not implying those two ships are comparable.
As mentioned elsewhere it's almost certainly the Assertor .
I would LOVE the Dauntless-Class in Armada. That was my favorite ship from the Rebellion PC game.
3 hours ago, UnitOmega said:I really hope you're not implying those two ships are comparable.
The Dauntless is at least, one of the biggest Rebel hitter.
I know that the Bellator is around 7.2 km versus 1.2 Km for the Dauntless but I don't think there is alot of other ship that the Rebellion can put against them.
The Bulwark Mark III Class is not that long too(2.5 Km.) but is supposed to hit like a SSD. So I don't think the length is that important.
Edited by DOMSWAT91128 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:As mentioned elsewhere it's almost certainly the Assertor .
At 15 Km long for the Assertor, FFG should bring the SSD first. There is not a big difference between 15 Km and 19 Km at that point.
The Bellator could be something that could fit well at 7.2 Km in a scale down.
For the art card, I tried to get a close on, but it's not giving me enough clue. That Tie-Figther is where should be the other gravity wells projector on the Bellator. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not working for FFG and I don't have any Bothan to get this secret.
Edited by DOMSWAT911It's been matched with another art asset for the Assertor specifically.
And the problem with 15 km is the same with 19 km, your ship would have to be grossly, incompetently undersized to the point that why not just release another murder triangle actually in scale, or larger than some of the people playing this game.
Edited by UnitOmegaHo... my bad, I didn't knew the Assertor before tonigth, I only knew the Bellator.
When I look closer on the way the dorsal is made, I see my mistake.
But this bring to the next question. Are we about to have a Epic scale soon?
Edited by DOMSWAT911Scaling down the Executor for Armada would make it too small for most people's sensibilities. They've seen the ship on screen and know that it's supposed to be far bigger and stronger.
With that in mind, FFG can get away with scaling down a ship that has never been seen on-screen before, and people will be far more accepting of that.
However, scaling down the Assertor, a ship with an extremely similar length to the Executor, is a wasted effort - and would be upsetting because it isn't the Executor when their sizes are so close.
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The option which causes the least amount of pain is to make a scaled down Bellator class. The Bellator is a size between a Star Destroyer and the Executor. It's not big enough to be an SSD, but too big to be a capital ship either. Because it's in that transitory state, and it's never been pictured on screen, scaling it down would look completely reasonable and few would raise an eyebrow. It would still upset people who wanted the Executor , but it would upset people far less than having the Executor in a watered down and wimpy state. At the same time, the Bellator still pleases people's need for an epic-scale star destroyer without breaking suspension of disbelief.
2 hours ago, DOMSWAT911 said:
On the Rebel side we could get finally the Dauntless class heavy cruiser.
Yeah, I played Rebellion - that was fun.
Agreed on the Dauntless, awesome looking ship - that is for a
Squid
Shrimp
SQRIMP
- Rebel scum!
...I called it the Defiance! Sorry!
In my video about it, someone linked to a forum where the artist confirmed it is the Assertor. But it's art for an RPG so doesn't link directly to Armada.
HOWEVER..... it's pretty and I wants it.
9 hours ago, Crabbok said:someone linked to a forum where the artist confirmed it is the Assertor.
The original image (or a version of it) is on the Star Wars Wiki ; it's the reference image for the Assertor from Lead by Example.
13 hours ago, Crabbok said:In my video about it, someone linked to a forum where the artist confirmed it is the Assertor. But it's art for an RPG so doesn't link directly to Armada.
That someone was me
https://balance-sheet.deviantart.com/art/Assertor-Class-Dreadnought-591340371
15 hours ago, DOMSWAT911 said:
On the Rebel side we could get finally the Dauntless class heavy cruiser.
The Liberator from Rebellion was cooler. So boxy! ?? But the Dauntless is cool too.
So last year at GenCon they said there was something "big" coming for Armada. According to the GAMA seminar, there is still. Apparently, Wave 7 was NOT the "big" they referred to.
*PAGING ADMIRAL PIETT...... PAGING ADMIRAL PIETT - YOU ARE REQUESTED AT THE FRONTLINES!*
1 hour ago, Crabbok said:So last year at GenCon they said there was something "big" coming for Armada. According to the GAMA seminar, there is still. Apparently, Wave 7 was NOT the "big" they referred to.
*PAGING ADMIRAL PIETT...... PAGING ADMIRAL PIETT - YOU ARE REQUESTED AT THE FRONTLINES!*
Didn’t someone say that Thrawn was the something big? I can’t really recall exactly.
17 hours ago, DerFurst said:Scaling down the Executor for Armada would make it too small for most people's sensibilities. They've seen the ship on screen and know that it's supposed to be far bigger and stronger.
Right, by which logic the ISD would never have been bought, because the CR-90 is clearly supposed to fit into the ISD's hangar ban, and in this game it doesn't.
And what do you base your assessment of "people's sensibilities" on - just your own sensibilities projected onto the population at large?
I'm more in the school of: "build it and they will come," but I don't claim to have clairvoyance or focus groups to go on.
Edited by Mikael Hasselstein57 minutes ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:Right, by which logic the ISD would never have been bought, because the CR-90 is clearly supposed to fit into the ISD's hangar ban, and in this game it doesn't.
And what do you base your assessment of "people's sensibilities" on - just your own sensibilities projected onto the population at large?
I'm more in the school of: "build it and they will come," but I don't claim to have clairvoyance or focus groups to go on.
Gota agree, just the existence of a reasonably priced, fully painted, SSD model will have sales potential beyond Armada. Add in the most iconic Imperial Admiral, and a bunch of upgrades, and an SSD will sell like hotcakes! Many of the same people who argued against its inclusion in Armada publicly stated that they would still buy it, even if they had no intention of fielding it. This is a no loose scenario for FFG to produce a SSD for Armada.
Haters gona hate, but the SSD Executor is coming. Too much money left on the table to not make it happen.
1 hour ago, cynanbloodbane said:Gota agree, just the existence of a reasonably priced, fully painted, SSD model will have sales potential beyond Armada. Add in the most iconic Imperial Admiral, and a bunch of upgrades, and an SSD will sell like hotcakes! Many of the same people who argued against its inclusion in Armada publicly stated that they would still buy it, even if they had no intention of fielding it. This is a no loose scenario for FFG to produce a SSD for Armada.
Haters gona hate, but the SSD Executor is coming. Too much money left on the table to not make it happen.
As a model ive got to agree, the SSD is coming, blah blah other fanboy phrases ;p
And to be honest a 2-3foot model doesnt look bad on the table at all.
As a playable piece however, from experience trying to make one work, it just doesnt.
It turns out as either a slightly better ISD that doesnt feel like a SSD (gains dice or hull), becomes a weird muxmatch of rules to make it work (2 or 3 different bases you can attack such as front, rear and bridge), or a OP ship that wipes out everything it faces with, while taking damage, almost no chance of being destroyed in return.
The SSD i help create for casual play was what we thought as extremely timid, with 21 odd hull and the front of an ISD2 on front and side arcs lol. (I have forgotten most of the details)
It made arc dodging impossible and the only fleets that stood a chance against it were max yavaris bombers and triple/double large ship fleets. And im not talking about good chances here. The best fleet to counter ot was triple ISD2 with vader
I hope FFG can pull it off and make a SSD that is perfect - not game endingly OP broken yet not pathetic for what it is either.
8 hours ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:Right, by which logic the ISD would never have been bought, because the CR-90 is clearly supposed to fit into the ISD's hangar ban, and in this game it doesn't.
And what do you base your assessment of "people's sensibilities" on - just your own sensibilities projected onto the population at large?
I'm more in the school of: "build it and they will come," but I don't claim to have clairvoyance or focus groups to go on.
If you take the position that it's impossible to form opinions and make decisions based off of limited data, then the only person's opinion you're devaluing is your own. I'm happy to hear everyone's thoughts on the matter regardless of how they might conflict.
Certainly they could make a scaled down version, but I believe it would look conspicuously small compared to the hulking monster it was in the films, and it would likely be watered down to fit its diminished scale in order to not be ludicrously overpowered. I'd rather they not include it than to disappoint me with a scenario like that.
There is the chance they surprise us all by making something ludicrously large, which would indeed bring the shock and awe value that's expected from it, but doing so would be cumbersome to play with (imagine having to stick two tables together) and the cost would be prohibitively expensive (several hundred dollars). With that being said, I'd prefer they do it this way if they were to do it at all.
12 hours ago, DerFurst said:If you take the position that it's impossible to form opinions and make decisions based off of limited data, then the only person's opinion you're devaluing is your own. I'm happy to hear everyone's thoughts on the matter regardless of how they might conflict.
I do not take the position that it's impossible to form opinions and make decisions based off limited data. People do it all the time, myself included. I'm just saying that I'm taking you with a grain of salt, because you're making declarative statements without which I believe you have enough data to support your conclusion. Is that so wrong? How do I devalue my own opinion by doing so?
12 hours ago, DerFurst said:Certainly they could make a scaled down version, but I believe it would look conspicuously small compared to the hulking monster it was in the films, and it would likely be watered down to fit its diminished scale in order to not be ludicrously overpowered. I'd rather they not include it than to disappoint me with a scenario like that.
Indeed, and the rumors that I hear is that they will indeed be producing a watered-down version for standard play, and something more powerful for some sort of epic play. I agree that the bigger the better in terms of making it feel right.
Where I disagree with you is that the scale issues are prohibitive. I hear that they've play-tested it, and they're going to be introducing it soon. The rumors I've heard may be wrong. I think they're right, and I think that many people will buy it - enough to make it a money-maker for them, even if it will probably not be their biggest profit maker.
If and when the SSD comes, or the Asserter-class, is it possibly that FFG might package it in pieces that one could assemble it, and have room to make a big box, without making it TOO big that is.
Honestly, even though an Asserter-class dreadnought would be cool. I'd rather have a full-sized Bellator class, if not a little shorter that is in a respectable size compared to a regular ISD is this game. I feel like the Bellator could be added for Epic play. Here is a comparable size that leads me to believe it to be the most likely canidate added for epic play.
If it was sold at that size, albeit a little shorter, I'd wonder what the MSRP would be for that thing. Probably more than the starter of all things.
It probably wouldn't deploy regularly and could take up the majority of the game mat. I'd still buy it and attempt to find a way to make room for it.
That being said, the ship is a part of Legends and may possibly not even be added, but I'd still personally wish for this over an SSD anyday of the week.