My take on the Michigan Regional

By Robert Munro, in X-Wing Organized Play

My Take of the Michigan Regional and Health of the Community.

Good Day to everyone. I just wanted to post some of my observations on the Michigan Regional this past weekend. I am warning you now that I will not sugar coat anything I say. Keep in mind that these opinions are mine and mine alone and do not represent this forum at all.

Let’s start with the glitches, EVERY tournament has them and this was no exception. The tournament started an hour late. For what ever reason it did. That just made the whole day go long. Of course the rounds were running at 75 minutes and those were kept on time. There were a few time extensions due to judgement calls and that cannot and should not ever be infringed upon. I will say that there were very few extensions due to the fact the judges did an excellent job. They were fast and accurate and respectful to the players. Well done Judges!

That being said the time between rounds grew longer and longer. The organizers were pairing and matching up players and then putting them on the big screens that were located around the entire venue which was large and had plenty of room for the players. I truly cannot complain about the room each player had to set up and play from. Pandemonium Games used 8 foot tables double wide and had 4 foot by 8 foot table boards for a very solid play area. The problem was that it took time to input the players info into the computer and to get that up onto the screens. Eventually the organizers just started doing the pairings and printing them out onto paper and posting them to try and speed things along. The other thing that made some of the rounds extra long were the raffles that were held between the second and third rounds. Then they held a raffle between the fourth and fifth rounds. I shall give out further information about the raffles later.

Now I need to discuss some what I feel are some touchy subjects that may not be so well received. Each entrant paid $25 to enter this event. To me that is no problem at all considering what we pay pay for two people to go to a fast food restaurant. Here is my beef. When I pay $25 I expect something in return. We received 1 raffle ticket for our entry. That’s is right 1. If you won your match you received 1 as well. But for that 1 raffle ticket it gave you the chance to win 1 Alt Art Pilot Card. They drew 15 tickets after the 2nd & 4th Rounds. So As I do the math 120 entrants + 60 round 1 winners + 60 round 2 winners is 240 tickets in the barrel. If you lost your first two matches you had a 1 in 240 chance at winning a Alt Art card. That is just for the first drawing. The numbers get worse as the drawings go on.

Only the top 64 players get the Zuckuss Alt Art Cards. That means that roughly 60 players had a very poor chance at getting a card. So in essence half of the players paid $25 to play 6 games of X-Wing, with a slight chance of getting an Alt Art Card. I think that was a very poor choice on the organizers not to give out something automatically to the players. I gave my tickets to the 8 year old girl that was playing so that her chances of winning something got better. I am also sure that her Dad and a couple of other players did the same. She did win by the way and I was pleased when I saw her face when she received a Gold Squadron Pilot Card. There were a lot of experienced players giving the cards that they won to guys who did not and of course that is great when we do these things for our community. Remember when I wrote, players paid $25 to play 6 games of X-Wing. We can do this on any given Saturday at our local gaming shop for free.

Also concerning prize support, FFG or possibly someone else messed up by not getting the Tournament kit to Pandemonium Games. They did not have it for the tournament. That announcement was not made until the end of the 4th round. The organizers said, That they would mail the winners their prizes. So whoever made the mistake of not getting the prize support to the venue on time I say shame on you. I find it hard to believe that this was the fault of the organizers as I have learned that several Regional Tournaments did not get their kits until shortly be fore the events. So lack of any real prize support for the players for the $25 entry fee left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.

I do believe that the Chicago Regional

Top 32 got playmats as well as some store credit.

Everyone got a couple alt art cards beyond the kit.

The redemption tournament was free and had some pretty nice prizes.

So, if you werent in the top 32, the prize support dropped off significantly, but worst case scenario, you went home with 2 alt arts created by gold squadron.

Indy

Lunch was catered by Buffalo Wild Wings as well as donuts in the morning during registration.

Everyone received an alt art Lowhhrick.

I do not think there were any other prizes above and beyond the kit for higher ranking people.

Redemption tournament had some old kit prizes and was free.

Only downside of indy was that they only had 1 judge.Indy Regional gave out a Catered Lunch to its participants plus the tournament kit. So you may not have gotten an Alt Art card in the below Top 64 tier but you got a lunch for your $25.

I am not begrudging the Pandemonium Games for wanting to make a profit at their store for hosting the Regional. We need our local stores to make money to stay in business so that we have places to buy our Plastic Crack Addiction. I do believe that with the cost of the kit and template cost for the judges gifts as they were not paid cash they could have and should have given every player that walked into that building something for coming.

Things that went right at Pandemonium Games. A very clean venue with very clean restrooms. Well laid out gaming area with plenty of room. Pleasant and professional staff and judges. A well stocked vending machine area and store for just about anything you need gaming wise. Pandemonium also offered a 20% discount that day which was great. The space was in my opinion not too hot or too cold but just right. They had menus from just about any restaurant that deliver and would announce when the delivery got to the venue. They did their best at trying to get the tournament running on time. They were using Cryodex tournament software which is probably the best out there. I truly think that they have a wonderful gaming venue and store, it is worth going there even for us Eastsiders.

Now for the really great stuff. I believe that the Michigan X-Wing Community is fantastic. I was fortunate to meet so many different players from all over. What a great group of people. I did not meet one person who was “That Guy”, rude or foul in any way. We were playing to win of course but we were also doing it while having fun. We knew our rules and when we didn’t each of us explained to each other and and moved on. Was it hard to lose yes but it felt like losing to a friend not as an enemy. Good feelings all around especially when we won a match.

Many stickers were traded and many Alt Art cards were as well. Phone numbers and emails exchanged. And many faces were put to faces as we met people we only knew in forums or chat rooms. It was a wholesome day on many fronts for the community in my humble opinion. I think as a whole the X-Wing community is very much healthy and happy.

Now the big question, would I do another “Big” tournament? A simple question but a not so simple answer. Here is mine. If it was to be another tournament set up and done the exact same way as this years Michigan Regional, NO WAY. Sorry not going to do it. I would not participate in such an event. I may go to watch it and to hang out but not to play. It was not worth the $25 to enter without any Swag. Let’s face it we like the Swag. If there was Swag or a meal involved then YES, count me in. Let me get something for the money. Anyway that is my take on the Michigan Regional this year for good or bad, whether you agree or disagree (and yes I know many of you have your own opinions feel free to let me know what they are) that’s where I stand.

Now what we need to do is get some TO’s together and figure out what we would like to do for our Region and take it out of a stores hands and do it ourselves and see if we can do it better for our community. Please feel free to reach out to me with questions and or comments.

Happily submitted to the Community,

Robert Munro

Sterling Heights, MI

I appreciate your review Robert.

The main tournament did start later than anticipated, part of which was due to some entrants arriving late for registration and check in, part of which was due to some entrants requesting set tables (as well as two streamers requesting certain matchups) and part of which was the organizers inexperience with X-Wing.m tournaments.

The time between rounds 1-2 and 2-3 was definitely long due to wanting to scroll the matchups names on the many tv disolays. However, as the day progressed, time between rounds grew SHORTER, not longer. The largest bit of negative feedback we received was the time between rounds with the follow up always being it got much better as the day went on.

In regards to prize support, FFG did fail to send the kit out on time. They were asked to overnight it to the venue and we waited until the mail had arrived for the day (which was around round 4) before notifying players. No reason to start the day on a negative note saying we don’t have it if it is expected to arrive that day before the event is over. Also, as a premier level event, the entire FFG prize support model is based on performance. The better you do, the more stuff you get. That was our model for the raffle which was entirely donated by the Pandemonium X-Wing community. Prizes donated included 6 total sets of 1/1 Regionals dice (something I don’t believe almost any other regional has done) a Gozanti, Guns for Hire, Acrylic dmg Deck holders, Worlds and Nationals Alt Arts as well as over 150 fan made and other official FFG alt arts. Other than the regionals dice, all of these were included in the raffles with the larger items added to later raffles.

I would also like like to clarify that the Redemption Tourney had a CASH payout for Top 4 as well as 4x 1/1 sets of regional dice (‘15,’16,’17,’18) to the top 4.

As a last note, I would like to add that a special discount was acquired for a hotel only 15 minutes away to reduce costs for all attending players who were not local and stayed either Friday and/or Saturday night

We learned some lessons and will definitely improve upon all that we can, most importantly the turn around between rounds.

Once again, I appreciate your review and feedback!

Andrew S.

Head Judge

Edited by CaptHalbarad
Clarification on FFG kit.

Thank you for the reply Andrew. I am truly sorry that FFG dropped the ball on sending the Tournament Kit. Shame on them. I just cannot believe how a company that wants to help create a commmunity could fail it by not making sure it got into your hands in time. I do hope that in the future they will improve on this.

I do understand that the Tournament Kit I’d based off of performing well in the Tournament it’s self and I have absolutely no problem with that whatsoever. Competition is good and that is why everyone was there. I will be real, did I expect to win the Michigan Regional? No, I did not. I wanted to compete with the best. I wanted to meet people and enjoy the community as a whole. The community in our area is great and I believe that was shown by how many out of town guests came to the event.

My problem as well as others as I stated was for the cost and what I and others received from the event. I did have a great time. I did get a raffle ticket for showing up. I also received 2 additional tickets for winning my matches. So for $25 I received 6 games of X-Wing and 3 chances to win additional prizes. Great that is nice. But you and I both know that only the Top 64 were absolutely going to get prizes. All others had a chance backed on how well they did. Ok, fine on that too. But to not give out at least 1 Alt Art card to each participant was, and this is my opinion, was wrong. As you said you had a 150 Cards to give away as prizes. There was 120 entrants in the Tournament.

I still think that you and your staff were excellent and professional. Pandemonium is a great venue and store and all in all hosted well. I found the “Swag” lacking. You and I will probably disagree on this and that is ok, it truly is. I wanted to give feed back to the community on my opinion.

Thank you for the very hard work that you did running the tournament and the organization.

Regards,

Robert

13 hours ago, CaptHalbarad said:

As a last note, I would like to add that a special discount was acquired for a hotel only 15 minutes away to reduce costs for all attending players who were not local and stayed either Friday and/or Saturday night

I really wish I had known that. Where was this posted?

It really was a solid venue. The place looked like it used to be a massive dining hall, or something. As for the community...I ran into 1 "That Guy" and what I can only describe as a recovering "That Guy."

2 hours ago, BDrafty said:

I really wish I had known that. Where was this posted?

It really was a solid venue. The place looked like it used to be a massive dining hall, or something. As for the community...I ran into 1 "That Guy" and what I can only describe as a recovering "That Guy."

Once I negotiated the price, it was posted in the event page several weeks ago. I even made an announcement when the rooms had been booked up (50).

Next year knowing how many people took advantage of it and talking to many who missed out, I’m going to secure 75-100 rooms instead.

Sorry to to hear about “That Guy”.

Were glad you came out!

Edited by CaptHalbarad

Andrew, I didn't hear about the hotel discount either, but I think I got hooked into an unofficial event group so that's prolly why I missed it. I didn't even see the real one till I went hunting for start time and day 2 info. Fortunately I didn't need a hotel so it didn't really matter. Maybe next year it would be beneficial to post in some of the larger area groups like chicago, ohio, and indy since those are the people who are traveling.

Did anyone get their alt art card yet?

The people and the venue were fantastic.

I agree that the cost and the prize support was the worst I've ever seen in five years of playing competitive X-Wing.

This is largely on FFG, since the official tourney kits have become so depressingly stingy in the past couple years, and the fact that FFG didn't even get the kit to the store on time is an embarrassment on FFG OP's part -- this was like the last Regional of the season, and it was scheduled months ago, so FFG OP's ability to not get them a kit on time is poor professionalism on their part. I was in the Top 64, but I didn't even bother to stay and sign-up to get my Zuckuss card because after an entire day of playing X-Wing, the last thing I wanted to do was to stand in a 50 person line and wait while names and addresses were recorded for each person in line, all so FFG can send me one Zuckuss card eventually (and who knows when, it took FFG over 5 months to mail prizes from Gencon's Armada event to us ... :rolleyes: ).

But, secondarily, Pandemonium's cost vs supplemental prize-out felt a bit lacking as well. Some raffle tickets for a few third-party alt arts and some old left over season kit alt-art participation cards hardly seems to balance the high entry fee, and having players pay another $10 to participate in the Redemption Tournament felt a bit off, especially since the Redemption Tourneys I've seen at other events often seems to be free to anyone who paid and played in Round 1. I think there was a CROC and a Most Wanted raffled off within the Top16, but that still isn't much in the way of support and does nothing for the 60+ players who walked away with nothing and the ~40 players who walked away with only a Zuckuss in the mail.


That being said, aside from my feelings about cost vs prize-support, the event was fantastic. Pandemonium is a great venue, and the space was wonderfully able to accommodate that number of X-Wing games. The judges were great and the people in the Midwest X-Wing community are really wonderful and fun. The time between rounds and tourney software delays were not ideal, but I understand that those issues happen pretty frequently with large events and all in all it was still a pretty timely event. I had an enjoyable time!



FFG have gotten so brutal with prize support. I was at a regional this weekend. Got 21st out of 80, 1 alt Zuckuss. The amount of money they make on plastic (which now they are starting to charge more for... Wink, wink Silencer) they can't include some tokens for everyone?

The sentiment regarding the less than generous (adequate) prize/swag support from FFG Organized play for larger competitive events is growing.

I would encourage those with feedback to reach out to FFG's Organized play department directly,

sample contact:

Jimmy Le

jle @asmodeena.com

Below is the current response,

but if enough voices speak up requesting change, impact can be made..

Thank you for providing your feedback. We’re glad to send additional promo cards to support larger events, but we’re unable to send additional acrylic tokens, playmats, or dice. I’ll pass your thoughts onto the rest of our team to see if we can improve our events in the future.
Best,
Jimmy Le
ORGANIZED PLAY LOGISTICS COORDINATOR

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Great topic!! The tone here is top notch. Bummed to here peeps were kinda ripped off. But sounds like the venue and community are stellar in Michigan. #KeepItClassy