From the preview article of the Q2 OP kit - take a look at that art for the Expanded Hangar Bay!

I mean...it's not a guarantee, but FFG doesn't usually commission new art without planning on re-using it, and if they have artists working on Resurgent-class drawings now...

(Although looking at that...really, it's too big to be the Resurgent-class. And seems to have a traditional ISD tower on top, so...maybe one of the older EU designs? Almost looks like one of the earlier Mandator or Bellator designs...)

Looks like it might be an Assertor-class Star Dreadnought.

It's an Assertor or Bellator yeah. Probably not eligible for the game, the smaller Bellator is 4.5x as big as an ISD, and the larger Assertor is 9x.

Too big for a new Imperial large base?

15 minutes ago, Npmartian said:

Too big for a new Imperial large base?

Yeah, definitely.

Outside guess is that the Resurgent-class (from the sequel trilogy movies) should be workable in the game as the maximum upper limit of a 'large' base, and a model using the sliding scale about 50% longer than the ISD model. But that is stretching it. These are much larger than that ship - pushing Executor-class length, and obviously not nearly as iconic - so odds are pretty low for them.

I'll throw out some size numbers, so people can get an ideal of the scale here:

• ISD-I is 1,600 meters
• Secutor-class SD (which is canonical in name) is 2,200 meters
• the Resurgent class is 2,915 meters
• The Bellator class is 7,200 meters
• The Mandator-IV is 7,669 meters
• the Assertor-class is 15,000 meters
• and the Executor is 19,000 meters

Wow nice catch, thought it was just a regular ISD with the bridge being obscured by sunlight!

While I'd vastly prefer one of the First Order Star Destroyers seen here, the center command structures ahead of the bridge are visibly very different even in the zoomed-in artwork.

It looks beautiful. But I really want to see the RSDs from Ep 7 and 8. I would prefer them on a "huge" base. And the SSD on a "Massive" base.

But small ships (that aren't the Shrimp) dearly need help right now.

27 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

It looks beautiful. But I really want to see the RSDs from Ep 7 and 8. I would prefer them on a "huge" base. And the SSD on a "Massive" base.

But small ships (that aren't the Shrimp) dearly need help right now.

So some upgrades to 1 command ships?

43 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

But small ships (that aren't the Shrimp) dearly need help right now.

wot?

Gozanti and Rebel Transport swarms continue to dominate the meta. Dozens and dozens of them appearing in top tables of tournaments. TRC90 MSU still very much a thing, safe and sound. MC30s, as you note, the borderline-OP they always were. Demolisher...I mean, what more needs to be said? Most small bases are fine. The only ones left out in the cold are the Nebulon-B (okay with Yavaris, mediocre otherwise), Hammerhead, Pelta, and ARRRGHkittens.

10 minutes ago, xanderf said:

wot?

Gozanti and Rebel Transport swarms continue to dominate the meta. Dozens and dozens of them appearing in top tables of tournaments. TRC90 MSU still very much a thing, safe and sound. MC30s, as you note, the borderline-OP they always were. Demolisher...I mean, what more needs to be said? Most small bases are fine. The only ones left out in the cold are the Nebulon-B (okay with Yavaris, mediocre otherwise), Hammerhead, Pelta, and ARRRGHkittens.

Well, first you've listed quite a number of ships there.

But, the more recently Regionals data suggests that MSU is not doing well, nor being played much. TRc90 being the very first example of something that doesn't work as well as it used to. Largely from Cymoon interference. Even Demolisher is recently not doing as well as it used to.

Also I definitely did mean small ships not flotillas. Yavaris of course is doing great. But the rest of the Nebulous are non-existent.

1 minute ago, Blail Blerg said:

Well, first you've listed quite a number of ships there.

But, the more recently Regionals data suggests that MSU is not doing well, nor being played much. TRc90 being the very first example of something that doesn't work as well as it used to. Largely from Cymoon interference. Even Demolisher is recently not doing as well as it used to.

Also I definitely did mean small ships not flotillas. Yavaris of course is doing great. But the rest of the Nebulous are non-existent.

MSU will come back just fine once the 1 + 19 or 1 + 32 (or whatever the current minimum viable number of flotillas is - it's hard to keep track) thing goes away.

Most of the other small-base ships have a similar issue - they aren't bad, per se (arguable exception: hammerhead), it's just that there are unique one-offs for other classes that are so powerful that they overwhelm the analysis. Play a scenario or campaign where uniques (titles/crew/etc) are not allowed beyond the fleet commander, and you'll see the strength of the platforms isn't as black-and-white as the tournament results would point to.

4 hours ago, xanderf said:

From the preview article of the Q2 OP kit - take a look at that art for the Expanded Hangar Bay!

I mean...it's not a guarantee, but FFG doesn't usually commission new art without planning on re-using it, and if they have artists working on Resurgent-class drawings now...

(Although looking at that...really, it's too big to be the Resurgent-class. And seems to have a traditional ISD tower on top, so...maybe one of the older EU designs? Almost looks like one of the earlier Mandator or Bellator designs...)

It’s definitely not a Resurgant Class. It looks very much like the Assertor Class Star Dreadnaught to me.

As a contributing artist, I’m rather surprised to see a fan designed ship on an official card and that this got a pass from LFL in the first place. If they and FFG are open to using some of Ansel Hsiao’s designs for lesser known ships in SW canon I wonder what else we’ll see in the future or if we’ll actually see them in physical form? Most likely not but you never know...

1 hour ago, Wraithdt said:

It’s definitely not a Resurgant Class. It looks very much like the Assertor Class Star Dreadnaught to me.

As a contributing artist, I’m rather surprised to see a fan designed ship on an official card and that this got a pass from LFL in the first place. If they and FFG are open to using some of Ansel Hsiao’s designs for lesser known ships in SW canon I wonder what else we’ll see in the future or if we’ll actually see them in physical form? Most likely not but you never know...

I pointed this out in another thread - Disney has shown that they are more than willing to use existing ship designs from the EU but they don’t seem to feel constrained to the EU fluff. It’s a pretty practical stance.

8 hours ago, xanderf said:

From the preview article of the Q2 OP kit - take a look at that art for the Expanded Hangar Bay!

I mean...it's not a guarantee, but FFG doesn't usually commission new art without planning on re-using it, and if they have artists working on Resurgent-class drawings now...

(Although looking at that...really, it's too big to be the Resurgent-class. And seems to have a traditional ISD tower on top, so...maybe one of the older EU designs? Almost looks like one of the earlier Mandator or Bellator designs...)

quick question to OP, why you think its the Q2 kit? Am I missing something? Thought its Q1, also when looking at the icon, highlighted is the upper left corner.

4 hours ago, Wraithdt said:

It’s definitely not a Resurgant Class. It looks very much like the Assertor Class Star Dreadnaught to me.

As a contributing artist, I’m rather surprised to see a fan designed ship on an official card and that this got a pass from LFL in the first place. If they and FFG are open to using some of Ansel Hsiao’s designs for lesser known ships in SW canon I wonder what else we’ll see in the future or if we’ll actually see them in physical form? Most likely not but you never know...

FFG has previously used that same artwork for the Assertor-class dreadnought in the Age of Rebellion RPG (Lead by Example sourcebook, page 56 in my copy). It was a canon ship in Legends; a number of Ansel Hsiao's designs got adopted as detailed models for Imperial ships that only appeared briefly in comic books.

6 hours ago, Aldaros said:

FFG has previously used that same artwork for the Assertor-class dreadnought in the Age of Rebellion RPG (Lead by Example sourcebook, page 56 in my copy). It was a canon ship in Legends; a number of Ansel Hsiao's designs got adopted as detailed models for Imperial ships that only appeared briefly in comic books.

The image is linked on the Star Wars wiki page for the Assertor. It's just the other way around.

I wonder if that means they already had LFL approval for the image, meaning they didn't have to go back to LFL for a new image?

14 hours ago, xanderf said:

wot?

Gozanti and Rebel Transport swarms continue to dominate the meta. Dozens and dozens of them appearing in top tables of tournaments. TRC90 MSU still very much a thing, safe and sound. MC30s, as you note, the borderline-OP they always were. Demolisher...I mean, what more needs to be said? Most small bases are fine. The only ones left out in the cold are the Nebulon-B (okay with Yavaris, mediocre otherwise), Hammerhead, Pelta, and ARRRGHkittens.

Raiders misding from the list.

Atm im experimenting with the shiny new ion upgrade+acm msu. 2 raider2 with dcaps and ion thingie can hurt any large ship and possibly survive a turn in red range. Demo shooting at the same zone will result a large ship without shields. Rest of the job is up to bombers. At least in theory. Most wanted, fighter ambush, superior positions, here I come!

On 3/13/2018 at 8:36 AM, Grumbleduke said:

The image is linked on the Star Wars wiki page for the Assertor. It's just the other way around.

I wonder if that means they already had LFL approval for the image, meaning they didn't have to go back to LFL for a new image?

It's flipped in Lead by Example, too.

I think you're right that FFG already had the license to use it. I thought I'd read a while back that FFG basically has an automatic license to reuse anything created for LFL in the past, but I don't remember where that was. There are a number of other images FFG has used that weren't originally created for them. For example, the art on Intensify Firepower is a cropped and edited version of this image. It was created for the Legends book Essential Guide to Warfare, and is of a battle that is no longer canon. There's at least one other image they've cropped and used from that book, for an X-wing card I think, that's looking out a TIE fighter cockpit as it chases a Y-wing; this one.

53 minutes ago, Aldaros said:

There's at least one other image they've cropped and used from that book, for an X-wing card I think, that's looking out a TIE fighter cockpit as it chases a Y-wing; this one.

Broken link.

On 3/13/2018 at 7:27 PM, elbmc1969 said:

Broken link.

Weird, it worked for me in Safari and Firefox. I switched the link to use HTTPS instead of HTTP in case your browser is blocking HTTP links.

1 hour ago, Aldaros said:

Weird, it worked for me in Safari and Firefox. I switched the link to use HTTPS instead of HTTP in case your browser is blocking HTTP links.

Nope. Goes to a wiki error page:

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