Bets. Yea or Nea?

No, because the Lambda is really bad.

Note that I'm talking about the ship. Palpatine is not part of that ship. Palpatine is viable. The lambda isn't.

Look at the U-wing. It's better than the lambda in almost everything, and people complain that it is useless. (While the reality is that rebels are spoiled with strong large base ships, and resort to complaining when they get something that is merely decent)

So no.

If it as about as clunky in movement as the Lambda, I would say the large base is worth the investment. A lot may come down to what the non-epic jam action does.

1 minute ago, RufusDaMan said:

No, because the Lambda is really bad.

Note that I'm talking about the ship. Palpatine is not part of that ship. Palpatine is viable. The lambda isn't.

Look at the U-wing. It's better than the lambda in almost everything, and people complain that it is useless. (While the reality is that rebels are spoiled with strong large base ships, and resort to complaining when they get something that is merely decent)

So no.

Ha, true. Imagine if the Imps had the U-Wing!

I would say no, because the Lambda has two more upgrade slots than the Reaper (though the Reaper uniques have EPTs so that'll be an improvement) so it will have more options, especially if new systems appear (given how limited Lambdas and U-Wings are... and actually a lot of system slot ships, not impossible). Reaper will be a different beast, I think, but it will not "obsolete" the Lambda. Though you may find people who have an easier time flying the Reaper to do stuff the Lambda didn't do anyway they just tried to force it.

Not entirely, but the Lambda is somewhat of a niche ship. The dial and the Advanced Alirons are what I feel will tell if the Reaper is an alternative or more of a replacement.

If the first pilot is any indication, the Reaper can actually shoot. Vermeil with Optimized Prototype and Opportunist is going to be brutal .

11 minutes ago, Boba Rick said:

Ha, true. Imagine if the Imps had the U-Wing!

The U-wing is bad, because rebels have no good support crew for other ships (like palpatine), and now is completly overclassed by the Auzituck

On topic: I belive that could both (lamba and reaper) could be viable If the reaper is more maneuverable, has more firepower but for a slightly higher price. Thus the choice lamba / reaper will depend on how many points you are willing to sacrifice in the escort

19 minutes ago, RufusDaMan said:

Look at the U-wing. It's better than the lambda in almost everything, and people complain that it is useless. (While the reality is that rebels are spoiled with strong large base ships, and resort to complaining when they get something that is merely decent).

Indeed, as imperial, I'd KILL for a large ship like the U-wing... But of course, you put it next to Dash Rendar, and "Ugh... It's useless!" ... yeah right ...

35 minutes ago, RufusDaMan said:

No, because the Lambda is really bad.

Exactly. Has the Lambda really ever been that relevant?? It has it's moment when the Imperial Firespray was a good ship. . .

It's an XWM 1.0 ship. The game has changed a ton. Moreover, the more ships there are in this game, the more you need a reason the use them. Deathmatch in Space will not support 100+ ship types, and the Lambda ain't gonna be one of them.

The Lambda is a great ship for narrative play. . .once they finally release the Shuttle Tydirium expac.

TL/DR: No.

BTW, the verb @Blail Blerg is looking for is obsolescing.

If the Reaper PS 1 is 19-21 points, has even a marginally decent dial, and any of their unique pilot abilities are even the least bit good- you'll never see another Lambda in competitive ever again.

If you take away Palp, the Lambda is a clunky, terrible, hot-garbage pile of a ship, right up there with the TIE Punisher. The only reason it's taken, ever, is because it's the cheapest palp-mobile that can be fielded. Imps will abandon it the second an alternative is available. And I'd honestly say the Reaper will be that alternative: Jam, small base, probably better dial, EPTs, eligible for LWF, evade action, uh yeah....the Lambda is HISTORY.

I am particularly sad that no one is defending the Lambda's right to be relevant to this game, based primarily on how beautiful the model is.

Also the Lambda has a history of top-level play. Its been the subject of numerous studies on game-long flight pattern alone, and considerable discourse on how to beat Palpatine at all.

It was highly relevant in Wave3 as a Buzzsaw or as Vader. It was huge as a Palpatine carrier. It would US Nats as captain Yorr. In wave 7-8 or so, it was a dominant T1 as a Palpatine carrier. In wave13 its a meta choice as Yorr once again.

The poor Lambda. =(

(I'm kind of hoping the Tie Reaper is 19pts though. I will sow doom with it)

I'm actually kind of glad that the Lambda will be obsolete now, because I've always wanted there to be a Lambda in an aces pack and now they'll have a reason!

We need more aces packs!!!

1 minute ago, Blail Blerg said:

I am particularly sad that no one is defending the Lambda's right to be relevant to this game, based primarily on how beautiful the model is.

Well, the TIE Punisher is OBJECTIVELY the most beautiful ship in the game, yet it is still bad.

There is no justice in this world

7 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

I am particularly sad that no one is defending the Lambda's right to be relevant to this game, based primarily on how beautiful the model is.

It depends on what you mean by relevant. Because the singular definition of Tier 1 Tournament Worthy will always be hard on otherwise acceptable ships.

Hence my statement:

16 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

The Lambda is a great ship for narrative play. . .once they finally release the Shuttle Tydirium expac.

Or:

The Imperials need much better crew options so that the Lambda can function like the support ship it should be.

Or:

This game needs to get away from 100/6.

Not make the lambda obsolete? It IS obsolete, its hands down the worst dial in the game and that alone prevents it from doing anything. Even if it just had white turns you'd see it occasionally.

Watch them release more Imperial crew tied to green maneuvers just to pour more salt on the Lambdas wounds.

The only crew other than palp that would make the lambda viable is a crew that does something on red moves thats actually strong, and not just "assign a focus" - problem is, any such crew would more than likely be awesome on the other crew carriers too.
Though it could be the first instance of a ship-locked crew i guess.

Hopefully we get an imperial 1point coordinate crew. That will help.

No

And by "no" I mean "lol no"

Shuttle is obsolete in a world where revel Fenn is a ship that can exist

And even if the reaper is a good "anti sheath" (jam counters token-granting actions, so soft checks coordinate) it still won't reach the heights of rau (because rau is UBER JAM) unless its other pilot is bonkers

But the shuttle? That ship has long since sailed

I mean, there's a couple of unspoiled, probably Imperial crew in the Reaper, there's no guarantee they'll be "optimal" on the Reaper itself, knowing FFG.

4 minutes ago, Scum4Life said:

Hopefully we get an imperial 1point coordinate crew. That will help.

When there is a cheap coordinate crew... Who you gonna call?

TIE shuttle!

I never thought I'd say this about Xwing over some other game, but I might be at that point where eI need to stop playing.

I am exquisitely sad at the lack of support for the Lambda here lol. As to its Tier1-ness read my edit above.

5 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

I never thought I'd say this about Xwing over some other game, but I might be at that point where eI need to stop playing.

I am exquisitely sad at the lack of support for the Lambda here lol. As to its Tier1-ness read my edit above.

This is what Krayts, Mynock, etc have all been preaching. The game in its current state, if played without self-imposed handicaps, is not fun on a mechanics level, and the viable ships are not iconic.

We need an Erratageddon, or a 2.0, or a comp score system, or a format change to purge the cancer out of the game, lest it bleed players and die.

To be fair to the Lambda, it's only the second worst shuttle, the Upsilon is even more useless as, per usual, FFG have massively overpriced it.