Perspective is a wondeful thing.

I saw ANH at the cinema when I was 5 and followed it up with the others. Boom, SW provided my moral framework, my religion. And my toy collection.

As an experiment, show TFA/TLJ and ANH to a child and see which they prefer. What do they take from it.

ALL the films are quite flawed. Was watching RotJ with my boys the other day and was struck by the sheer number of plot holes and corny elements. The entire Han rescue makes no sense at all as an actual plan.

SW films are knockabout science fantasy romps, not sci fi masterworks. Its the depth of the setting and the childhood fantasies that fire my imagination. So no nerd rage from me. I also read a lot of sci fi and the maturity and sense of a lot of it slaps SW round the face.

One complaint about the new films that does hold water for me is the pacing. But then most modern, action based films seem to be a kalaidoscope of blatant visual mayhem without any meaningful foundation. Maybe I'm getting old. I expect my parents/grandparents felt the same when the OT came out.

Ultimately, the new films are flawed ofc. Do I care? No. They're there, they are SW, I'll watch them. I'll enjoy them for simply being set in the SW universe and being visually spectacular. Will they change anything about how I see SW? Ofc not. I'll love SW regardless. TFA, TLJ, Solo are just films. The holes are there for my imagination to fill.

Saying that, I still think Rogue One is brilliant and love it every time I watch it.

Boycott TLJ blue ray? Fat chance, my boys would kill me.

5 hours ago, Cuz05 said:

Perspective is a wondeful thing.

I saw ANH at the cinema when I was 5 and followed it up with the others. Boom, SW provided my moral framework, my religion. And my toy collection.

As an experiment, show TFA/TLJ and ANH to a child and see which they prefer. What do they take from it.

ALL the films are quite flawed. Was watching RotJ with my boys the other day and was struck by the sheer number of plot holes and corny elements. The entire Han rescue makes no sense at all as an actual plan.

SW films are knockabout science fantasy romps, not sci fi masterworks. Its the depth of the setting and the childhood fantasies that fire my imagination. So no nerd rage from me. I also read a lot of sci fi and the maturity and sense of a lot of it slaps SW round the face.

One complaint about the new films that does hold water for me is the pacing. But then most modern, action based films seem to be a kalaidoscope of blatant visual mayhem without any meaningful foundation. Maybe I'm getting old. I expect my parents/grandparents felt the same when the OT came out.

Ultimately, the new films are flawed ofc. Do I care? No. They're there, they are SW, I'll watch them. I'll enjoy them for simply being set in the SW universe and being visually spectacular. Will they change anything about how I see SW? Ofc not. I'll love SW regardless. TFA, TLJ, Solo are just films. The holes are there for my imagination to fill.

Saying that, I still think Rogue One is brilliant and love it every time I watch it.

Boycott TLJ blue ray? Fat chance, my boys would kill me.

You use an example from the weakest film in the Original Trilogy. Can you find similar problems in Ep 4 and 5? I think not! Rouge One is a terrible movie that makes zero sense even from the opening scene: https://youtu.be/GCSvj92qI2Y

You are a self admitted fanboy. You claimed you love and watch anything with Star Wars in the title regardless of quality. You are the perfect customer.

21 minutes ago, Rexler Brath said:

You use an example from the weakest film in the Original Trilogy. Can you find similar problems in Ep 4 and 5? I think not! Rouge One is a terrible movie that makes zero sense even from the opening scene: https://youtu.be/GCSvj92qI2Y

You are a self admitted fanboy. You claimed you love and watch anything with Star Wars in the title regardless of quality. You are the perfect customer.

Better to be a fan that can acknowledge the flaws of a movie and move on to enjoy what's there than to be... well, whatever hateful, vitriol-spewing forum member you've become.

And if you really want us to, if we start applying the same sledgehammer of unthinking criticism to A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back that you and several other overly vocal members of the forum have applied to The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, those would start looking like pretty bad movies too.

If you really believe that Disney is "destroying the franchise", you're free to stop watching new Star Wars content and stick to just three movies. I mean, we get it: you don't like the new stuff.

1 hour ago, Rexler Brath said:

You use an example from the weakest film in the Original Trilogy. Can you find similar problems in Ep 4 and 5? I think not! Rouge One is a terrible movie that makes zero sense even from the opening scene: https://youtu.be/GCSvj92qI2Y

You are a self admitted fanboy. You claimed you love and watch anything with Star Wars in the title regardless of quality. You are the perfect customer.

Geez, who labeled you Judge, Jury and Executioner?

I didn't buy any of the prequels until they finally released the entire set on blu ray in like 2008 or whenever that was. I never called it a boycott though, I just didn't want to buy them so I minded my own business and did other things.

What really bugs me about SOME people who don't like Episode 8, is that they make it their business to SERIOUSLY thrash this film, the franchise, Disney, and everyone associates with it all.... over various social media, at every opportunity they get. It drives me crazy. If you don't like a film - then simply move on. It's REALLY unhealthy to dwell on something that you hate.

It's not a job more like a favourite hobby.

And you don't make sith grand master by being a part time hater 24/7/365 baby.

Ooooh, and now posts that call out forum members for their bad nasty behavior get reported.

Guess the kettles don't like when the pots call them black.

4 hours ago, Crabbok said:

I didn't buy any of the prequels until they finally released the entire set on blu ray in like 2008 or whenever that was. I never called it a boycott though, I just didn't want to buy them so I minded my own business and did other things.

What really bugs me about SOME people who don't like Episode 8, is that they make it their business to SERIOUSLY thrash this film, the franchise, Disney, and everyone associates with it all.... over various social media, at every opportunity they get. It drives me crazy. If you don't like a film - then simply move on. It's REALLY unhealthy to dwell on something that you hate.

I must admit excessive hate is getting tiresome. I watched some stuff on youtube (about MTG, about marvel comics, about star wars) and I'm going "you utter w4nkers!"

Sigh I'll prolly pick up the DVD at some point if it's around 5 buck or below (same thing happened with ep 7) but that only because I already got all the other ones already. (saga I to VII, OT, R1 and the 2 friggin' ewok movies)

Now that I'm thinking about it:

Disney ain't worried about the movie, it made enough cash at the box office.

Disney probably won't be worried about DVD/Bluray sales: They'll chalk up any losses to piracy (You're welcome!) and move on.

But their merch ain't selling. And I'm betting that has them worried.

12 hours ago, Rexler Brath said:

You use an example from the weakest film in the Original Trilogy. Can you find similar problems in Ep 4 and 5? I think not! Rouge One is a terrible movie that makes zero sense even from the opening scene: https://youtu.be/GCSvj92qI2Y

You are a self admitted fanboy. You claimed you love and watch anything with Star Wars in the title regardless of quality. You are the perfect customer.

I didnt claim to love and watch anything Star Wars. I have not seen Clone Wars or Rebels because I refuse to pay subs to TV and don't wish to spend £s on eye candy. I might look to buy the box sets for pennies 2nd hand one day... The place we watch the movies in is a community cinema that costs £5 a ticket.

True, the boys have had some merch from friends for bdays/xmas...

All MY toy purchases were pre Disney.

90% of my XWM cards are homemade. 80% of my minis were bought off ebay.

As perfect customers go. I think there is room for improvement.

The same could be said for your perspective.

15 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Geez, who labeled you Judge, Jury and Executioner?

He's just a little bundle of joy, isn't he?

Rogue One is an amazing Star Wars movie. Fits almost seamlessly into the original trilogy narrative and gave us the best big-screen Imperial villain since Vader in Director Krennic.

49 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

He's just a little bundle of joy, isn't he?

Rogue One is an amazing Star Wars movie. Fits almost seamlessly into the original trilogy narrative and gave us the best big-screen Imperial villain since Vader in Director Krennic.

I've enjoyed Rogue One on the rewatch, but I still feel like Krennic is really just Tarkin-lite. He's better than any of the First Order characters, and certainly more competent than any of the Rebels idiots (Thrawn not included), but I guess I don't see the competence that makes everyone like him.

26 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

I've enjoyed Rogue One on the rewatch, but I still feel like Krennic is really just Tarkin-lite. He's better than any of the First Order characters, and certainly more competent than any of the Rebels idiots (Thrawn not included), but I guess I don't see the competence that makes everyone like him.

It's not so much about competence (Imperial officers, Veers aside, have never been particularly smart). It's his delusions of grandeur coupled with deep seated insecurities about his position. He wants to be the big I-am, but he's worried that he's not.

And those worries are justified, as seen when he ends up comprehensively outmaneuvered by Tarkin (the rivalry between those two is fantastic, by the way).

He's also eminently quotable and gif-able. The dude rocks.

4 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

It's not so much about competence (Imperial officers, Veers aside, have never been particularly smart). It's his delusions of grandeur coupled with deep seated insecurities about his position. He wants to be the big I-am, but he's worried that he's not.

And those worries are justified, as seen when he ends up comprehensively outmaneuvered by Tarkin (the rivalry between those two is fantastic, by the way).

He's also eminently quotable and gif-able. The dude rocks.

Hmm. I really dislike him for the same reasons. Political maneuvering isn't really bad, as long as the character can back it up. Probably why I've always like Piett, he at least seemed competent in his role, and only failed when the plot required it. To each their own, I guess.