SNOKE

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From the Novelization

Interpreting visions of the future was a dangerous game. Whether Jedi, Sith or some other sect less celebrated by history. All those who use the Force to explore possible timelines, kept that uppermost in their minds. Those who didn’t, died regretting that they hadn’t. Snoke learned that lesson many years ago when he was young and the galaxy was very different. These days, what struck him was how much visions of the future left out.

The evolution of the First Order had been more improvisation than master plan. That was another element visions tended to miss. Palpatine had engineered the contingency to simultaneously destroy his Empire and insure it’s rebirth. Ruthlessly winnowing it’s ranks and rebuilding them with who and what survived. The rebuilding was to take place in the unknown regions. Secretly explored by Imperials scouts and seeded with shipyards, laboratories and store houses. An enormously expensive effort that had taken decades and had been kept hidden from all but the elect. But the Imperial refugees’ military preparations had been insufficient bulwarks against the terrors of the unknown regions. Grasping in the dark among strange stars, they had come carelessly close to destruction and it had not been military might that had saved them. It had been knowledge. Snoke’s knowledge, which ironically led back to Palpatine and his secrets.

Papatine’s true identity as Darth Sidious, heir to the Sith, had been an even greater secret than the contingency. The Empire’s explorations into the unknown regions had served both aspects of it’s ruler. For Sidious knew that the galaxy’s knowledge of the Force had come from those long abandoned, half legendary star systems and that great truths awaited rediscovery among them. Truths that Snoke had learned and made to serve his own ends.

One obstacle had stood in his way. Skywalker, who had been wise enough not to rebuild the Jedi Order. Dismissing it as the sclerotic, self-perpetuating, debating society it had become in it’s death throes. Instead, the last Jedi had sought to understand the origins of the faith and the larger truths behind it. Like his father, Skywalker had been a favored instrument of the will of the Cosmic Force. That made it essential to watch him and once Skywalker endangered Snoke’s design, it had become essential to act and so Snoke had drawn upon his vast store of knowledge. Parceling it out to confuse Skywalker’s path. Ensnare his family and harness Ben Solo’s powers to ensure both Skywalker’s destruction and Snoke’s triumph.

Holding Rey pinned there, Snoke considered Kylo. He has seen his apprentice’s enormous potential when he was still a child. The latent power of the Skywalker bloodline was impossible to miss and he had also seen how to exploit the boy’s feelings of inadequacy and abandonment. His mother’s guilt and desperation to contain the darkness within her child. Indeed, Ben Solo had performed the role Snoke had envisioned for him perfectly. The combination of his potential and the danger he posed had lured Skywalker into seeking to rebuild the Jedi. His power then had destroyed all Skywalker had built and sent the failed Jedi Master into exile. Removing him from the board just as the game entered a critical phase. But what role would the boy play in the future was less clear.

He called himself Kylo Ren but as with so much else about him, that was more wish fulfillment than reality. He had never escaped being Ben Solo or learned to resist the pull of the weak and pathetic light or had the strength to excise the sentimental streak that had destroyed his legendary grandfather. Then there was his most glaring failure of all, his inability or unwillingness to use his power to redirect the coarse of his own destiny. Snoke had once seen Kylo as the perfect student. A creation of both dark and light with the strength of both aspects of the Force but perhaps he had been wrong about that. Perhaps Kylo was an unstable combination of those aspect’s weaknesses. A flawed vessel that could never be filled. Snoke pushed the thought away. There would be time to consider Kylo’s fate later, after The Resistance and the last Jedi had been destroyed and both of those goals were now at hand.

So who is Snoke?

Just gonna leave this here...

All will be revealed.

Some dude killed by an emo

52 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

So who is Snoke?

S omeone n o o ne k new e xisted.

1 hour ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

From the Novelization

One obstacle had stood in his way. Skywalker, who had been wise enough not to rebuild the Jedi Order . Dismissing it as the sclerotic, self-perpetuating, debating society it had become in it’s death throes. Instead, the last Jedi had sought to understand the origins of the faith and the larger truths behind it.

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No, just no. Luke going Jedi-lore hunting makes sense for the very short term, but this wholesale condemnation of the Jedi Order is getting irritating. That comes off as far more disgruntled fanboys annoyed at the prequels rather than an honest evolution of Luke's character from RotJ.

33 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

No, just no. Luke going Jedi-lore hunting makes sense for the very short term, but this wholesale condemnation of the Jedi Order is getting irritating. That comes off as far more disgruntled fanboys annoyed at the prequels rather than an honest evolution of Luke's character from RotJ.

Why is that irritating? Luke was right. Yoda done effed up, resulting in the Empire. Same with Obi-wan and Vader. Their legacies are those of utter failure. The Order failed Ahsoka. Some of their core philosophies are just plain ridiculous. The Star Wars universe is much more interesting with different orders of Force users. Personally, this wholesale deification of the Jedi is irritating to me.

Also, in my head canon, Ezra -> Snoke!

Wrong forum -> https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/forum/422-x-wing-off-topic/

Thanks, but also: wrong forum

e: huh, I opened in the main, and it was already moved while I replied

3 hours ago, Celestial Lizards said:

So who is Snoke?

Snoke is Snoke.

40 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Snoke is Snoke a Joke.

FTFY.

33 minutes ago, Jo Jo said:

FTFY.

Snoke is Snoke a joke some bloke

FTFY again.

6 hours ago, Mynock Delta said:

Why is that irritating? Luke was right. Yoda done effed up, resulting in the Empire. Same with Obi-wan and Vader. Their legacies are those of utter failure. The Order failed Ahsoka. Some of their core philosophies are just plain ridiculous. The Star Wars universe is much more interesting with different orders of Force users. Personally, this wholesale deification of the Jedi is irritating to me.

Also, in my head canon, Ezra -> Snoke!

Yeah, an Order that lasted for over "a thousand generations" was a failure because its ancient enemy appeared to win for two decades. Uh... no. Yoda, Obi-Wan, Windu, and the rest of the Jedi Council were outmaneuvered by an incredibly powerful and skilled Sith Lord. That's not a fundamental flaw with the Order that should cause it to be rejected, or dumped, but a singular, albeit, major, defeat. That's like saying that a general that loses one battle "done effed up" and that person's legacy is one of "utter failure," even when they put in play a plan that ultimately succeeds ! Yoda and Obi-Wan were the ones that put in place the plan that eventually 1. Redeemed Anakin, and 2. Defeated the Emperor, giving the galaxy a chance at peace, or at least freedom from his tyranny.

Individual aspects of the Order were certainly flawed, but those could easily be changed. Like, ya know, in a New Jedi Order?

Instead of Snoke being Plagueis, what if he was Plagueis’s first apprentice and he was experimented on, explaining the scars and such.

but that makes him at least a former Sith, if not a practicing one, and Snoke should be more mysterious than Sidious’ predecessor.

1 hour ago, Alpha17 said:

Yeah, an Order that lasted for over "a thousand generations" was a failure because its ancient enemy appeared to win for two decades. Uh... no. Yoda, Obi-Wan, Windu, and the rest of the Jedi Council were outmaneuvered by an incredibly powerful and skilled Sith Lord. That's not a fundamental flaw with the Order that should cause it to be rejected, or dumped, but a singular, albeit, major, defeat. That's like saying that a general that loses one battle "done effed up" and that person's legacy is one of "utter failure," even when they put in play a plan that ultimately succeeds ! Yoda and Obi-Wan were the ones that put in place the plan that eventually 1. Redeemed Anakin, and 2. Defeated the Emperor , giving the galaxy a chance at peace, or at least freedom from his tyranny.

Individual aspects of the Order were certainly flawed, but those could easily be changed. Like, ya know, in a New Jedi Order?

Well.... The "failure of the order" is fleshed out a lot in both the Clone Wars series and numerous canon and legends novels. Yes, they were duped by the sith, but ultimately they were only able to be duped because they had let their moral compass stray to the point where they allowed the senate to become absolutely corrupt. That key fact allowed Palpatine to weasel his way into power as chancellor - against some incredibly stiff opposition, no less. After that, the jedi decided to enter into a civil war, despite numerous dissidents and pretty clear moral problems. Ultimately, this led to the death of most of the Jedi.

As for a millennium of success of the order, that's almost entirely incorrect. Sure, the Jedi stopped small-scale conflicts and acted as advisers to the chancellors, but they were totally unaware of the threat against them. Spoilers/Discussion at the end of the post.

Of course, a "New Jedi Order" is not only a logical way for Luke to proceed - keeping the same for its infamy and changiing the system (kinda... exactly like the old EU). But the Mouse will never accept that.