8 hours ago, slasher956 said:

or just able to be up gunned fairly easily.....with limited change to the external visuals

If it was so easy to increase the armament wouldn't the Resistance have done so? And in any case I'm not impressed by a ship that needs to be upgraded to fulfill its intended role.

8 hours ago, Ironlord said:

The guns might be larger than GR-75 guns though - the term "laser cannon" may apply to a wide range of weapons below turbolasers.

Given that the ship became used a lot by pirates - it makes sense that it at least have some hitting power.

Maybe but I've never seen anything in cannon indicating that the difference in power between different laser types is enough to make this a remotely competent design with the weapons listed on wookiepedia.

9 hours ago, RogueCorona said:

If it was so easy to increase the armament wouldn't the Resistance have done so? And in any case I'm not impressed by a ship that needs to be upgraded to fulfill its intended role.

Do they have the weapons to upgrade OR the perceived requirement? what do you give up (cargo space, crew space etc) to do it?

On 3/12/2018 at 5:28 AM, Phil94 said:

The rebels still need much more iconic ships. The Ninka, a Free Virgillia-Class Bunkerbuster Ship from The Last Jedi, would be a great step forward.

could be nice, and its "bunker buster' mine/bombs and heavy missile loads could add some new play options.

On 3/12/2018 at 12:26 PM, Indy_com said:

We can have the sequel corvette after we get the Braha'tok gunship.

It's appeared in both RotJ and Rebels now.

actually the Free Virgillia-Class is 300 some meters long. so it is about the same size as the Arquitens, nebulon-B, or Pelta class.

and if you can actually show what the Braha'tok actually carries as weapons or fights like, i'd believe we'll see one. it is the very definition of "vague background ship"

On 3/12/2018 at 4:52 PM, skirmisher said:

Just read my DK Star Wars TLJ cross section book and the Vigil is a Vakbeor class that dates from the time of the Empire, so could appear. The Anodyne is a Nebula-C New Republic era ship but the write up for the Free Virgilia-class Ninka does not date it: definitely a civil war era ship, but whether pre or post declaration of the New Republic i am not sure, so there is flexibility to have in the game.

Ninka = corvette with specialist bombard function.

Anodyne = escort frigate.

Vigil = armed transport.

one of the books that came out recently was a kinda of encylopedia of rebel equipment from the galactic civil war, with scribbled in commentaries by ANH/TLJ characters. on the page with the warships, framed as 'the ships that were at endor', you have Holdo writing that the Blockbusters weren't there but joined not long after, suggesting to me that they, like the bombers we see in the film, are GCW period craft, just ones that showed up in the rebel hands a bit late to appear in the trilogy.

11 hours ago, slasher956 said:

Do they have the weapons to upgrade OR the perceived requirement? what do you give up (cargo space, crew space etc) to do it?

We know there are salvage yards friendly to the Resistance, that's how they got and modified their medical frigate, so means aren't a problem. And with access to yards that deal with decommissioned warships getting some extra guns would be possible. And any reasonably competent commander with a fleet as small as the Resistance's would want the ships as well armed as possible. Crew might be an issue though since the TLJ writers decided a galaxy scale Resistance should be smaller then basically any significant resistance movement in Earth's history.

Can we just pretend that it had a role in the GCW? In classic Star Wars fashion, it's a single on-screen holotype for which we assume that hundreds more must exist, but which never are touched on because the main financial reason for designing a spaceship in Star Wars is to sell toys once and then after that new stuff is needed.

I'm all for bringing sequel stuff in, but only the sequel stuff that could be era-appropriate to the Rebellion and Empire.

So let's delve into the Free-Virgillia corvette a bit. It seems pretty straightforward that the name refers to the Virgillian Free Alignment, which fought for the independence of its home system and which quickly joined with the Alliance after the Civil War broke out. So let's just assume that these bunker busters were part of the mixed forces that took part in both the Galactic Civil War and the Virgillian Civil War, which resolved just before the Battle of Endor. If any bunker busters participated at Endor, they were off-screen.

That would pleasingly make Rebel forces in Armada more of a coalition fleet, which it should be, consisting of stuff from Alderaan (Republic vessels secured during the early Empire), Mon Cala (civilian star cruisers coverted into battleships), and Outer Rim partisan forces including the Virgillian Free Alignment. If we saw more Rebel ships come into Armada from the planetary security forces of various Rebel-aligned worlds, I'd love it.

Even more than the bunker buster, I want the Nebulon-C and cargo frigate, because those are my favorite ship designs to come out of the sequel trilogy. The cargo frigate could easily have been around a few decades before the Resistance liberated a handful of them. The Neb-C is harder to fudge in terms of era, since it's so clearly a direct replacement for an iconic GCW-era ship. But none of these are canon as having been first built after the GCW, or even during the post-Endor continuing war, so it's possible. Not for nothing, but both of those come in above 500 meters in length, giving the Rebels desperately-wanted medium base ships.

Well if I remember right Tarkin takes place around 14 BBY which means the Nebulon-B class is at least 18 years old when Endor takes place so the idea that their successor class was in service seems reasonable to me.

And I like the cargo frigate I just think the armament is absurdly low. Ditto for the MC85 which has 54 weapons while the MC80, about one third the size of an MC85, has 68 weapon batteries, and the Resurgent, which is smaller then an MC85, has more then 1,500 weapons.

22 minutes ago, RogueCorona said:

Well if I remember right Tarkin takes place around 14 BBY which means the Nebulon-B class is at least 18 years old when Endor takes place so the idea that their successor class was in service seems reasonable to me.

And I like the cargo frigate I just think the armament is absurdly low. Ditto for the MC85 which has 54 weapons while the MC80, about one third the size of an MC85, has 68 weapon batteries, and the Resurgent, which is smaller then an MC85, has more then 1,500 weapons.

I take all numbers quoted in Star Wars with a parsec of salt. The source for those light armaments is the "Incredible Cross Sections Book," and that book's source was... its own butt I guess. Star Wars lore can't even quite agree on the size of the Executor. All it takes is another source to claim a different number of guns on those ships and we're back into a gray area. For now, I'd say FFG could safely give those ships whatever stats they want, as long as they're balanced and "feel" right intuitively for the ship's look and size. It's not like they ever promised that there was a hard ratio of guns to dice.

Hate to say it.... Starwars has the same problem as 40K when it comes down to back ground lore....

It was originally written in the 70's & 80's by people with little to no knowledge of military numbers, tactics and organisation... so you have randomly put together numbers which dont add up & then when you factor in fan written fluff it goes even more scewed...

example: an ISD has ~9600 stormtroopers but only 8 lambdas....who can take 20 people at a time so 160 troopers which isnt even a single company... how does the rest of the complement* get to the planet?

*and heres a 2nd problem... an ISD carrys 3 regiments of stormtroopers... a legion is 4

4 hours ago, slasher956 said:

how does the rest of the complement* get to the planet?

In Sentinels, Gamma-class assault shuttles, in AT-ATs which are themselves being transported in barges, etc.

The Lambda is not intended to be a transport for regular troops, but for elites.

5 minutes ago, Ironlord said:

In Sentinels, Gamma-class assault shuttles, in AT-ATs which are themselves being transported in barges, etc.

The Lambda is not intended to be a transport for regular troops, but for elites.

Hey now, don’t forget the Delta DX-9 Stormtrooper transport.

45 minutes ago, Ironlord said:

In Sentinels, Gamma-class assault shuttles, in AT-ATs which are themselves being transported in barges, etc.

The Lambda is not intended to be a transport for regular troops, but for elites.

38 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Hey now, don’t forget the Delta DX-9 Stormtrooper transport.

all of which are legends or have they been re-canonised yet?

Both types of AT-AT landing barge have (Theta, for ISDs, and Titan, for SSDs).

Sentinel is seen, onscreen, in ANH and appears many times in Rebels.

I believe the Gamma class outline appeared in a canon comic even if the design wasn't named.

For what it's worth, There are a few Free Virgillia-class on KDY. I'm a fan of Samukai777's version.

7 hours ago, Nostromoid said:

I take all numbers quoted in Star Wars with a parsec of salt. The source for those light armaments is the "Incredible Cross Sections Book," and that book's source was... its own butt I guess. Star Wars lore can't even quite agree on the size of the Executor. All it takes is another source to claim a different number of guns on those ships and we're back into a gray area. For now, I'd say FFG could safely give those ships whatever stats they want, as long as they're balanced and "feel" right intuitively for the ship's look and size. It's not like they ever promised that there was a hard ratio of guns to dice.

With the low amount of weapons on Resistance and New Republic ships, I always assumed that it was down to the Military disarmament act after the GCW. Would make sense that any ships under imperial/republic/other control had limited firepower by law so that they couldn’t be used to overpower others like the empire did.

The First Order obviously ignores this and just did as they **** well pleased.

1 hour ago, sgtdeadman said:

With the low amount of weapons on Resistance and New Republic ships, I always assumed that it was down to the Military disarmament act after the GCW. Would make sense that any ships under imperial/republic/other control had limited firepower by law so that they couldn’t be used to overpower others like the empire did.

The First Order obviously ignores this and just did as they **** well pleased.

Additonally, if you look at the Raddus, it's woefully under gunned. I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume that the New Republic wouldn't let a Leia or a paramilitary group buy the former flagship of the navy without ripping out most of the armament. They kind of did the same thing to the Errant Venture in the old EU lore.

5 minutes ago, ImpStarDeuces said:

Additonally, if you look at the Raddus, it's woefully under gunned. I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume that the New Republic wouldn't let a Leia or a paramilitary group buy the former flagship of the navy without ripping out most of the armament. They kind of did the same thing to the Errant Venture in the old EU lore.

Exactly. I reckon that galaxy wide the New Republic enforces a reduction in weapon systems on capital ships of say 90% which explains why the Raddus was undergunned for its tonnage. It was stripped of its weapons when it was decommissioned from New Republic service and probably had said me weapons removed before that.

The Raddus was also converted to operate with much less crew, which may have required smaller weapon stations.

Otherwise it's just like the Errant Venture.

2 hours ago, sgtdeadman said:

Exactly. I reckon that galaxy wide the New Republic enforces a reduction in weapon systems on capital ships of say 90% which explains why the Raddus was undergunned for its tonnage. It was stripped of its weapons when it was decommissioned from New Republic service and probably had said me weapons removed before that.

Unlikely. Nothing says that and while we don't know the stats for the standard model the Nebulon-C medical conversion no less was very well armed for its size and role.

11 hours ago, RogueCorona said:

Unlikely. Nothing says that and while we don't know the stats for the standard model the Nebulon-C medical conversion no less was very well armed for its size and role.

But the Nebulon C and bunker buster are smaller ships than the Raddus. The Raddus and ships of a higher tonnage than say a MC80 probably had their weapons systems limited so no one faction in galaxy could just simply overpower another.

A standard MC85 is likely to have at least 10x the firepower stated for the Raddus but the New Republic Senate would hardly allow such a powerful ship to be owned by another faction without limiting its potential damage output.

They might go that route but if they do I'll always wonder if it was just something they made up to cover a mistake on the part of the person who drew up the weapon loadout for cross sections. It also sounds a lot like the Russan Reformations from Legends rather then something from after the GCW.

On 12.3.2018 at 6:34 PM, Crabbok said:

For this to work, we'd need:

Lots more 1st order ships. At least light cruiser/ gunship, one small support ship, and at least one medium ship. (Prefer to have at least 2 of each size)

Medium Resistance ship would be nice - (Prefer 2-3 more resistance ships covering the spectrum - 1 small, 1 medium, 1 large)

You might get your wish soon, now that Star Wars: Resistance is more or less anounced and very likely taking place in the run-up to the sequel era.

I'll be honest, I didn't enjoy Rebels' story-wise (and I hope Resistance improves there), but it did a lot of good for X-Wing and Armada, which I greatly appreciate.

And in addition to new ships, we d*mn well need some context on the Republic-First-Order war/ cold war/ Resistance-deputy war at last. It'll be nice to get some basics there to put weight to the conflict.

On 3/12/2018 at 1:11 PM, Crabbok said:

Sequel Ships should probably come out AFTER episode 9. I expect a huge space battle there, and also expect to see more 1st order ships... because right now we really don't have much variety for the 1st order.

unlike the empire in the OT...

wait. we have 150% the number of ship than the ST.

2 compared to 3.

5 hours ago, DampfGecko said:

You might get your wish soon, now that Star Wars: Resistance is more or less anounced and very likely taking place in the run-up to the sequel era.

I'll be honest, I didn't enjoy Rebels' story-wise (and I hope Resistance improves there), but it did a lot of good for X-Wing and Armada, which I greatly appreciate.

And in addition to new ships, we d*mn well need some context on the Republic-First-Order war/ cold war/ Resistance-deputy war at last. It'll be nice to get some basics there to put weight to the conflict.

I just want my girl Sloane to get some recognition in it, and not cry-baby Hux.

12 minutes ago, Admiral Litje said:

I just want my girl Sloane to get some recognition in it, and not cry-baby Hux.

Seconded!