The rebels still need much more iconic ships. The Ninka, a Free Virgillia-Class Bunkerbuster Ship from The Last Jedi, would be a great step forward.
The rebels still need much more iconic ships. The Ninka, a Free Virgillia-Class Bunkerbuster Ship from The Last Jedi, would be a great step forward.
Although I personally really like that particular ship design, I would rather not see sequel stuff in Armada just yet.
Sequel Ships should probably come out AFTER episode 9. I expect a huge space battle there, and also expect to see more 1st order ships... because right now we really don't have much variety for the 1st order.
Honestly, Trilogy 3 ships are very limited for both sides right now. Unless we get the big battle Crabbok is dreaming of, we are looking at 2 waves of new stuff at BEST. I think it would be best if those ships and Prequel Trilogy ships get their own stand alone games. Use same mechanics and such but keep em separate otherwise you see huge power disparities between generations of ships. Seriously, could a Separatist cruiser or a droid control ship really go toe to toe with the Raddus or FO star destroyer? Might be comparable size but not nearly as powerful.
We can have the sequel corvette after we get the Braha'tok gunship.
It's appeared in both RotJ and Rebels now.
1st Order has: (2)
Resurgent Class and Dreadnought. (The dreadnought would be HUGE, nearly as big as the Executor would need to be if we're doing sliding scale here, so they might not even do that).
Supremacy is absurdly huge - no chance of this.
Resistance has : (4 - maybe 5)
4 Capital ships in Episode 8, , the Raddus, the Ninka, the Nebulon C, and the other one that got blown up in the 1st scene... looked like an MC-30 ish design, (I forget the name).
Also the Bombers could work as an attack flotilla. I'd prefer something like that as opposed to individual squadrons of them.
For this to work, we'd need:
Lots more 1st order ships. At least light cruiser/ gunship, one small support ship, and at least one medium ship. (Prefer to have at least 2 of each size)
Medium Resistance ship would be nice - (Prefer 2-3 more resistance ships covering the spectrum - 1 small, 1 medium, 1 large)
The Raddus and the Dreadnought could each be for a new size type - Huge.
37 minutes ago, Crabbok said:1st Order has: (2)
Resurgent Class and Dreadnought. (The dreadnought would be HUGE, nearly as big as the Executor would need to be if we're doing sliding scale here, so they might not even do that).
Supremacy is absurdly huge - no chance of this.
Resistance has : (4 - maybe 5)
4 Capital ships in Episode 8, , the Raddus, the Ninka, the Nebulon C, and the other one that got blown up in the 1st scene... looked like an MC-30 ish design, (I forget the name).
Also the Bombers could work as an attack flotilla. I'd prefer something like that as opposed to individual squadrons of them.
For this to work, we'd need:
Lots more 1st order ships. At least light cruiser/ gunship, one small support ship, and at least one medium ship. (Prefer to have at least 2 of each size)
Medium Resistance ship would be nice - (Prefer 2-3 more resistance ships covering the spectrum - 1 small, 1 medium, 1 large)
The Raddus and the Dreadnought could each be for a new size type - Huge.
The first order also has at least two other designs in the comics.
1 hour ago, Crabbok said:1st Order has: (2)
Resurgent Class and Dreadnought. (The dreadnought would be HUGE, nearly as big as the Executor would need to be if we're doing sliding scale here, so they might not even do that).
Supremacy is absurdly huge - no chance of this.
Resistance has : (4 - maybe 5)
4 Capital ships in Episode 8, , the Raddus, the Ninka, the Nebulon C, and the other one that got blown up in the 1st scene... looked like an MC-30 ish design, (I forget the name).
Vakbeor Class Cargo Frigate (Vigil)
the Guides talk about it as this generation’s GR-75, albeit bigger and with a few guns.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vakbeor-class_cargo_frigate
Edited by GrandAdmiralCrunch1 hour ago, Crabbok said:
Supremacy is absurdly huge - no chance of this.
nah man, take one players table edge and remove distance 1 from it every turn ( because that space is taken up by the supremacy)
1 hour ago, Crabbok said:The Raddus and the Dreadnought could each be for a new size type - Huge.
Did you meanThe Raddus and Finalizer? They are both around about 3000 meters.
The Mandator IV Dreadnought is over 7600 meters
@Crabbok Resistance Bombers are small though at around 30m in length. It wouldn't make a good flotilla.
1 hour ago, TallGiraffe said:@Crabbok Resistance Bombers are small though at around 30m in length. It wouldn't make a good flotilla.
I think it would. 3 or 4 of them on a new stand would look cool IMO.
2 hours ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:Did you meanThe Raddus and Finalizer? They are both around about 3000 meters.
The Mandator IV Dreadnought is over 7600 meters
No I mean the Raddus and the Dreadnought. The Raddus is the biggest Rebel ship we are ever going to see in the new Canon so if we want to have any possible contender for a huge ship for the good guys it's gonna have to be this.
15 minutes ago, Crabbok said:No I mean the Raddus and the Dreadnought. The Raddus is the biggest Rebel ship we are ever going to see in the new Canon so if we want to have any possible contender for a huge ship for the good guys it's gonna have to be this.
Okay
Just thought the Raddus was closer to the Finalizer than the Mandator
Edited by GrandAdmiralCrunch20 minutes ago, Crabbok said:I think it would. 3 or 4 of them on a new stand would look cool IMO.
I am not sure how that would work. They seem really slow and the squadron 360 movement might suit them better than a ship base.
Just read my DK Star Wars TLJ cross section book and the Vigil is a Vakbeor class that dates from the time of the Empire, so could appear. The Anodyne is a Nebula-C New Republic era ship but the write up for the Free Virgilia-class Ninka does not date it: definitely a civil war era ship, but whether pre or post declaration of the New Republic i am not sure, so there is flexibility to have in the game.
Ninka = corvette with specialist bombard function.
Anodyne = escort frigate.
Vigil = armed transport.
Edited by skirmisher4 hours ago, Captain_Nemo said:The first order also has at least two other designs in the comics.
Yyyyyyeah...no. Please, just... no .
Okay..one thing armada definitely not need are more ugly ships. And there are a ton of ugly ships in the Star Wars Universe. Some of that crap produced FFG, but no chance i ever buy an assault frigate mark 2 or an mc30a frigate. FFG should better work on some fresh designs... or should make use of the few really good designed ships the star wars universe has. There are not very much...bad enough for a miniature game. And make things more worse is the fact that some of the better ships are extremly oversized super star destroyers (which disqualifies them for this game). And did anyone really think we see in the last part of the new trilogy a smaller first order ship??? Serious????
Edited by Phil943 hours ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:Okay
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Just thought the Raddus was closer to the Finalizer than the Mandator
It is closer, but the Finalizer is about 2,900 long, and the Raddus is about 3,500 long. That difference isn't super huge, but it's significant enough that you could argue that perhaps you draw the line between Large Ships and HUGE ships at 3,000? Just saying sometimes you need to lean more towards gameplay, even if that means having a smaller huge ship for the good guys, just so you can have a larger huge ship for the bad guys.
The bigger problem is that none of these ships do anything... except be cannon fodder. Large ship combat in Star Wars is actually most of the time rather hard to film. Even the SSD really doesn't do anything on screen. Its a setting.
The Nebulon does nothing. The Tantive, fires a few shots at the start of Ep4. (Goooood). The ISD tractors. (Great!) Fires some shots. (Even better)
Transports flee, but show up in the battle.
Oh the FO Mandator did blow some stuff up! That was great. The FO RSDs do fire on some things.
4 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:The bigger problem is that none of these ships do anything... except be cannon fodder. Large ship combat in Star Wars is actually most of the time rather hard to film. Even the SSD really doesn't do anything on screen. Its a setting.
The Nebulon does nothing. The Tantive, fires a few shots at the start of Ep4. (Goooood). The ISD tractors. (Great!) Fires some shots. (Even better)
Transports flee, but show up in the battle.
Oh the FO Mandator did blow some stuff up! That was great. The FO RSDs do fire on some things.
Rogue one has SDs shooting kinda hard to tell exactly. Star Wars Rebels seems to be a better source of combat.
It kinda makes sense that fighters do much of the combat though. Why risk large capital ships when you can throw fighters at a fleet and be just as effective for the Imperials? And fighters are probably easier to obtain than capital ships in the long run.
13 hours ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:Vakbeor Class Cargo Frigate (Vigil)
the Guides talk about it as this generation’s GR-75, albeit bigger and with a few guns.
Empathsis on the few guns. The thing is absurdly undergunned for its size and role. With the current stats it has roughly the firepower of an armed GR-75 but is a little over 5.5 times the size. It is supposed to be a self escorting cargo ship but if it runs into a pirate corvette or frigate it is almost defenseless.
4 hours ago, RogueCorona said:Empathsis on the few guns. The thing is absurdly undergunned for its size and role. With the current stats it has roughly the firepower of an armed GR-75 but is a little over 5.5 times the size. It is supposed to be a self escorting cargo ship but if it runs into a pirate corvette or frigate it is almost defenseless.
It’s like a bulk cruiser from Legends only crappier.
3 hours ago, RogueCorona said:Empathsis on the few guns. The thing is absurdly undergunned for its size and role. With the current stats it has roughly the firepower of an armed GR-75 but is a little over 5.5 times the size. It is supposed to be a self escorting cargo ship but if it runs into a pirate corvette or frigate it is almost defenseless.
The guns might be larger than GR-75 guns though - the term "laser cannon" may apply to a wide range of weapons below turbolasers.
Given that the ship became used a lot by pirates - it makes sense that it at least have some hitting power.
or just able to be up gunned fairly easily.....with limited change to the external visuals
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