Hi Guys,

I have read comics and such that has Princess Leia in the cockpit of a T-65 X-wing and I've thought about making her into a pilot for the game. Yes, yes....all unofficial. I'm thinking of making an "alt art" pilot card for Shuttle Tydirium....but more than just the art being alt.

Just to start off....what would her Pilot Skill be? Personally, I think it would be less than Garven Dreis (Red Leader), which is 6. Biggs and Hobbie are PS 5. Should she be PS 5 or maybe even PS 4? I'd love for input here.

Should she get an EPT? There is always the talk about there not being some of the early wave pilots that SHOULD get an EPT, but should Leia? I mean, on one hand, I can as she's a main character. On the other, I can see she isn't a pilot as a main career choice...or even secondary. Then again, would it turn into one of those that she SHOULD have an EPT? I'd love input on this.

Here is her crew card, which is not much for being so expensive:

CREW - 4pts: At the start of the Activation phase, you may discard this card to allow all friendly ships that reveal a red maneuver to treat that maneuver as a white maneuver until the end of the phase.

I'm thinking of making it something like that, but for every turn.

Pilot Ability: At the Start of the Activation phase, you may allow one friendly ship within Range 1-2 to reveal a red maneuver and treat that maneuver as a white maneuver until the end of the phase.

What do you guys think of that? It's kind of powerful, but you have to be at R 1-2. She's not a high PS pilot, so she can be hunted down on her own pretty easily enough. It's only a T-65, so it's not some broken ship. It can work on her as she can inspire herself.

COST: I think cost should be around what other PS level pilots have. Hobbie and Biggs are both PS 5 and both 25 pts, but they don't have an EPT. Maybe if she is PS 5 and has an EPT, then she's 26 pts? Or...make her PS 4 and with an EPT at 25 pts? I kind of like that one, but would love input.

I'd love to hear input. Cool ability? Too powerful? She's not so much on her own and it's only when you combine her with others that it might be pretty powerful, but that's a lot of points to put in for a support ship.

I like it. 25 points seems right - costing a 65 in today’s meta.

Her pilot ability is cool. I’d condition it on her not being stressed, or tied to a green maneuver.

She should 100% get an EPT.

Hrm. I like the premise, but I might phrase it differently. "When a friendly ship at Range 1-2 reveals a red maneuver, you may receive 1 stress to treat it as a white maneuver until the end of the phase. The mindgames potential is lower, but there's now a little bit of a cost to it, and there's less to keep track of, since it would be an immediate ability.

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I also really want a Boushh crew card. Let's say 3 points. "Small or Large ship only. Before the place forces step, assign the Fifty Thousand, No Less condition to up to {3?} enemy ships. When attacking a ship with Fifty Thousand, No Less, you may change one focus result to a hit." The Fifty Thousand, No Less condition would read: "At the start of the activation phase, you may receive one face-down damage to discard this card." Maybe that's too close to what Agent Kallus does, but I like the concept of forcing your opponent to make a choice about how to handle that thermal detonator you're holding.

I really want to see Leia as a pilot in either an X-wing, or in a Naboo Starfighter...

I like how you've adapted her crew card into a pilot ability, but think that there should be a restriction on it, maybe make it so her ability only works if the ship doing the maneuver is unstressed? Sort of like Ello Asty's ability.

PS 5 sounds good, EPT also good, maybe 26 points? That keeps Leia in line with the other X-wing pilots in terms of cost.

On a slightly unrelated note, I kinda want to see an updated crew card for Leia. Han and Chewie got new pilot cards, maybe we can get a new Leia crew?

You don't think PS 4 for Leia? I'm on the fence about it because she's probably not a GREAT pilot. I mean, Red Squadron Vets are PS 4.

Everyone also says there should be some other limit on it. I figured Range 1-2 was enough, but I can see IF SHE'S NOT STRESSED as another condition. I'm not sure about it causing a stress, though. I figure she's blabbing something inspirational, but can't do it if she's stressed.

You could make her ability an Action, which means she forfeits being able to do something else. And, the player will need to play her move accordingly, making her a target for reprisal.

Sadly, I would make her PS pretty low--like PS 3 even. . .it seems that comics are fond of throwing her in a cockpit these days, but in most canon she is never in the cockpit of anything.

OTOH, with a low PS, she could use her action early in the round to help higher PS aces when it is their turn. . .which seems thematically appropriate.

PS4, I think @heychadwick . Possibly as low as PS3. I like the ability though. I agree also with @BlodVargarna that it should be balanced with doing a green maneuver or taking a stress. The reason being is that it's quite a powerful ability on it's own.

I'm always one for the Y-Wing for Leia though... So many references of her flying those. Splinter of the Mind's Eye (Legends) Return of the Jedi (novel and deleted scene reference) - but I understand the iconic fighter choice.

I'm leaning towards PS 4 at the moment, but I can see 3 more than 5.

I like it being just that she's not stressed and Range 1-2. I think that's enough, really. That and you have to take her for a quarter of your points. I don't like it as an action. If you announce it at the beginning, then you are also telegraphing what you are doing.

1 hour ago, Darth Meanie said:

You could make her ability an Action, which means she forfeits being able to do something else. And, the player will need to play her move accordingly, making her a target for reprisal.

Sadly, I would make her PS pretty low--like PS 3 even. . .it seems that comics are fond of throwing her in a cockpit these days, but in most canon she is never in the cockpit of anything.

OTOH, with a low PS, she could use her action early in the round to help higher PS aces when it is their turn. . .which seems thematically appropriate.

If you want to limit the power of the ability and make PS important, you could also explore a new area where it could be something like "After a friendly ship completes their maneuver dial, if they are in Range 1 of Leia they can remove a stress before the action phase or something.

Putting Leia at a lower PS would make it nice for Aces to remove a stress and be able to do red moves and still get actions, but it would also somewhat telegraph their moves. Having her with lower PS generics would make it easy for them to move first, but then she would be moving last away from them, effectively taking the lead like a Leia do

25, PS4 and as a protagonist should absolutely have an EPT.

20 minutes ago, heychadwick said:

I don't like it as an action. If you announce it at the beginning, then you are also telegraphing what you are doing.

But aren't you anyways:

2 hours ago, heychadwick said:

Pilot Ability: At the Start of the Activation phase, you may allow one friendly ship within Range 1-2 to reveal a red maneuver and treat that maneuver as a white maneuver until the end of the phase.

You would have to pick the ship at the beginning of the activation phase. Which means this telegraphs even more than getting the low-down at PS 3.

As Leia is force sensitive surely her Pilot Skill should be higher?

The other second tier force sensitive pilots; Kenyan Farlander, Assaj Ventress, have a pilot skill of 7.

9 minutes ago, Wave 4 for life said:

As Leia is force sensitive surely her Pilot Skill should be higher?

The other second tier force sensitive pilots; Kenyan Farlander , Assaj Ventress , have a pilot skill of 7.

Enh. Kanan and Ezra are 4 and 5. I think that range is fine for Leia.

I feel like the pilot ability doesn't need the start of activation restriction. The crew needs it, because it's going to affect everyone. The pilot could just say "once per turn, when a friendly ship within range 1-2 reveals a red maneuver, it may treat that maneuver as white." I don't think it needs the unstressed rider. The whole point is an unexpected maneuver. What's more unexpected than two k-turns in a row? Also, this gives you some tactical flexibility. Lower pilot skill ships have to start the turn near her to benefit, but she could fly toward a higher PS ship before it moves to bring it into range, which opens up more options for both players to take into account.

At this stage of the game’s development I don’t think synergistic cards, specifically ones that help other ships, are the way forward. The risk of combo abuse is becoming too high.

let her spend a stress token as an evade or something*. Seems appropriate and powerful enough for an OT character. It’s stress related like her crew card and has things in common with Luke’s defensive ability.

Fair point about the digital Jedi PS. PS5+EPT maybe?

The EPT slot combo opportunities with the above Pilot ability should be interesting *coughPTL*. It’s probably safe from abuse at the mid PS level and she could maybe even get some competitive traction depending on the point value.

*Someone doesn’t already have this do they?

There are a handful of ships it would make sense to see Leia as a pilot in:

Naboo N1-Starfighter : she flies this in the new comics
Rebel "Transport" Shuttle : she's in one of these with Evaan Verlaine in the Leia comics
The Mellcrawler : she is aboard this with Nien Nunb (it's his ship) and her personal hand-picked team in her novel and some new comics
The Falcon : she flies this in ESB while Han and Chewie are working, and presumably had amply opportunity to fly it offscreen
Resistance Transport : she seems to have a personal one of these in TFA , and having her as the "pilot" makes sense in the same way Rear Admrial Chiranea and Kylo Ren are the "pilots" of their Decimator and Upsilon, respectively.


and apparently the X-Wing and Y-Wing, though I'm not familiar with those sources where she flies these.

I like your pilot ability for her, though, thematic and fits well enough with her crew card

I'd go -

Leia (Y-wing, PS 4 w/ EPT): Once per round, when a ship at range 1-2 performs a red maneuver, before the Check Pilot Stress step, that ship may perform one free action.

Can apply to Leia, and the red stress is still applied, but the ship gets an action. She's like a Pattern Analyzer for range 1-2.

I'd actually lean towards PS5 - in the movies and comics, Leia is actually a good pilot, just not good at shooting stuff. Like, in the Falcon, the pilot isn't the one working the guns, so I think Leia's YT-1300 Pilot Card could could easily be PS5. In a fighter/Bomber, like a Y-Wing, I agree she'd be a PS3 or PS4.

I like the idea of keeping it a bit of a surprise. So, maybe have it "Once per round when a friendly in R1-2 does a red" works. I kind of like just making it a white, but I'm not against the "happens before check stress step".

Good stuff!

I'm kind of leaning towards PS 4 as I don't want to make her too good.

So, basically her deal is that her abiity allows for her leadership to shine, correct? How about

Add the [coordinate] action to your action bar.

It's simple, goes along the same lines and already in the game. Plus, it's an X-Wing at a PS lower than Fenn, I don't think it's a problem on this frame.

2 hours ago, DampfGecko said:

So, basically her deal is that her abiity allows for her leadership to shine, correct? How about

Add the [coordinate] action to your action bar.

It's simple, goes along the same lines and already in the game. Plus, it's an X-Wing at a PS lower than Fenn, I don't think it's a problem on this frame.

Having a pilot's ability "add XYZ to your action bar/upgrade bar" doesn't really make sense since it's on the pilot card itself.

However, a similar effect could be achieved with "when you [trigger], you may perform a free Co-ordinate action." That way it's a genuinely 'free' action in that she still gets a focus token herself, making her a touch tougher than a sheathipede doing co-ordinate.

Given that that's range 1-2 rather than just range 1 like Lando or Airen Cracken, the trigger should be moderately restrictive but not too punishing.

Maybe the group comes under fire? Leia tends to take charge (usually with a barbed comment) when everyone's being shot at.

"When a friendly ship within range 1 is declared as the target of an attack, you may perform a free Co-ordinate action."

1 hour ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Having a pilot's ability "add XYZ to your action bar/upgrade bar" doesn't really make sense since it's on the pilot card itself.

However, a similar effect could be achieved with "when you [trigger], you may perform a free Co-ordinate action." That way it's a genuinely 'free' action in that she still gets a focus token herself, making her a touch tougher than a sheathipede doing co-ordinate.

Given that that's range 1-2 rather than just range 1 like Lando or Airen Cracken, the trigger should be moderately restrictive but not too punishing.

Maybe the group comes under fire? Leia tends to take charge (usually with a barbed comment) when everyone's being shot at.

"When a friendly ship within range 1 is declared as the target of an attack, you may perform a free Co-ordinate action."

Draw from her crew ability:

When a friendly ship at range blah reveals a red manoeuvre, you may perform a free coordinate action targetting that ship.

Makes them able to take their action before they get their stress, or if they have repositioning, potentially also change their end location. Pre-boosting/rolling is really useful sometimes.

I thought Leia’s ability was to put the final nail in a downward spiraling franchise. Space Ghost to the rescue.

"When Leia's ship is destroyed, you may fly through space to the nearest friendly ship cuz "the Force"

Leias a great leader and strategist, not a great pilot. Great ability, but no EPT.

You mean this?

On 03/02/2017 at 11:19 AM, Odanan said:

N-1 Naboo Starfighter

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