I would not be surprised if FFG doesn't care about head swaps on Rebels, but the Empire is a different story. Besides armour colours, what is the difference between the armour of a Stormtrooper and a Death Trooper? The helmet. Many people love the new Death Troopers and lots of people on these forums have posted a desire to paint their Stormtroopers black, which by itself might make identification difficult at a glance once Death Troopers are released. If they also went so far as to replace the head with a 3rd party "Malice trooper", then the only difference is the equipment, and now the unit has become more difficult to identify.

I am aware Death Troopers have not even been hinted at yet, but I HIGHLY doubt that FFG won't release them at some point before delving into some of the more esoteric trooper unit options for the Empire. (Perhaps a wave of Krennic and Death Troopers with Saw and his Partisans but I digress).

40k minis are also more readily available, whereas FFG is known for having minor supply chain issues. It's a little harder for me to risk cutting up a mini if I don't know I'll be able to easily source a replacement by the time I need it for my next game.

16 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Good for him. I've seen people refused entry into tournaments for head swaps before. Depends on the rules of the specific tournament and how stringent the enforcement, as I said. Just out of curiousity but do these tourneys enforce having the actual card for all upgrades?

X-wing is also a vastly different beast than an infantry game, particularly when it comes to the size of forces, and the presence of an identifying piece of cardboard on the ship's base.

Did you see this happen in an FFG tournament?

Cuz that's the really important part. GW has a lot more customization and WYSIWYG rules. Legion...at this point and for the foreseeable future, does not.

20 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

The store owner who needs to be allowed to run tournaments/carry product in order to keep selling product? Yes, because if you win, someone who didn't might lodge a complaint with FFG.

And the TOs at cons might as well, because if the con doesn't enforce the OP rules, then FFG can stop letting them run official tournaments.

Unlike X-wing, line of sight is measured from the head, so modifying that would seem to be easy grounds for a DQ.

Usually line of sight is center of base. I'm' pretty sure guys don't run around a battlefield standing all the time lol that's a funny thought

41 minutes ago, Nihm said:

Usually line of sight is center of base. I'm' pretty sure guys don't run around a battlefield standing all the time lol that's a funny thought

Page 18 of the learn to play, line of sight

“ LEGION uses the concept of true line of sight. at is, a player determines line of sight from the viewpoint of a miniature. e viewpoint of each mini is the highest point of its sculpt directly above the center of its base. If a player can see part of an opponent’s mini or its base from that viewpoint, that player’s mini has line of sight to that opponent’s mini.”

emphasis on highest point

3 hours ago, Zrob314 said:

Did you see this happen in an FFG tournament?

In person no as I haven't gone to any FFG tourneys yet, but I have heard of people DQed for very converted ships at some X-Wing tourneys. Whether or not one is DQed over conversion stuff comes down to the local TO's level of enforcement of any OP rules.

20 hours ago, Zrob314 said:

So there's a guy in my area who plays in official X-Wing Tournaments with a custom Futurama Planet Express hull mounted on what I believe is a YT-1300 or other medium base ship.

The point is, it's not as much the miniature that's the point, but rather the base. True LOS might impact that slightly, but I think we're pretty okay doing minor body part kit bashing.

There’s is zero chance he is using that in an ffg tournament. Playing with that on a casual gaming night is one thing but not in a tournament setting. Same should apply to legion. Mod your troops as much as you want for casual play but leave them at home for tournaments.

Didn't they say somewhere LoS is from unit commander when attacking?

1 hour ago, Nihm said:

Didn't they say somewhere LoS is from unit commander when attacking?

I remember a rumor to that effect, but the rules check individual models. Range is based on unit commander if I recall correctly.

5 hours ago, Zrob314 said:

Did you see this happen in an FFG tournament?

Cuz that's the really important part. GW has a lot more customization and WYSIWYG rules. Legion...at this point and for the foreseeable future, does not.

See now heres the crux of the argument. Legion has more WYSIWYG rules than previous FFg games...... True Los and therefore the size of the mini means something in multiple senarios (not the least of which is how many dice a weapon with spray throws), which is especially important when you have a unit incoming that can move from out of los, shoot, and have a follow up move to return to that cover.

Also just because your friend got away with it at a store level doesn't mean it will fly elsewhere as there are rules in the xwing tournament pdf (for whatever reason, i know it doesn't make sense in that game) that classes those kind of mods illegal for play.

Edit: I'll add here, that the situation ticks me off as a converter.... but if they don't have a fairly tight ruling I forsee someone breaking Wheatons Law and screwing over a host of the fanbases armies when they have to fix it because he likes his 15 minutes in the sun or to watch the world burn.

23 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

I remember a rumor to that effect, but the rules check individual models. Range is based on unit commander if I recall correctly.

I can attest that having played a demo on Friday night, range is measured from unit leader to closest defending miniature.

2 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:

There’s is zero chance he is using that in an ffg tournament. Playing with that on a casual gaming night is one thing but not in a tournament setting. Same should apply to legion. Mod your troops as much as you want for casual play but leave them at home for tournaments.

It is a 100% fact that he has flown the Planet Express ship in FFG tournaments,

4 hours ago, Zrob314 said:

I can attest that having played a demo on Friday night, range is measured from unit leader to closest defending miniature.

That's range, were the pg18 ltp Line of sight rules used? They fall into the expanded stuff, after the"stop here you have the basics" warning.

Seems on pg 2 of the Davy thread he references customization and stands. I think we are okay with mods as long as they are "recognizable". Even talks about AT-ST articulated poses.

49 minutes ago, Nihm said:

Seems on pg 2 of the Davy thread he references customization and stands. I think we are okay with mods as long as they are "recognizable". Even talks about AT-ST articulated poses.

He also says twice that the OP document will have guidelines for people. I don't see him say anything firm on the matter, and that's kind of what I've been trying to communicate is hold off of buying anything for conversions until after we see the OP document if you want to make absolutely sure you won't have problems in tourneys.

I think FFG will be strict about mechanical changes to the figure...i.e. no aftermarket bases, but minor conversions that don't change the role the figure plays should be fine...I plan to swap a few male heads for "Danamian" helmeted heads ala Rogue one and might add a female helmeted head to one of my AT-RTs.

Best idea I've heard so far is to put Luke's head on a Stormtrooper body to have Death Star Luke.

4 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:

Best idea I've heard so far is to put Luke's head on a Stormtrooper body to have Death Star Luke.

Use an IA Stormie 'cus they are 'shorter' lol

7 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:

Best idea I've heard so far is to put Luke's head on a Stormtrooper body to have Death Star Luke.

Use an IA stormie. It will be too short.

What does WYSIWYG mean?

12 minutes ago, TallGiraffe said:

What does WYSIWYG mean?

What you see is what you get

1 hour ago, Sk3tch said:

Use an IA stormie. It will be too short.

HA!!you owe me a beer

The take away here, is mod at your own risk, though probably a minor one. After all line of sight works both ways. A big head means easier to see and be seen.

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I suspect that 1/35 will be a better fit for kit bashing. I ordered both 1/48 and 1/35 WW2 German kit - 1/35 felt best but still a little delicate

I also suspect that a lot of stuff out there will be too small - in a galaxy far far away where the Empire infected everyone with the Zika virus

https://victoriaminiatures.com/collections/heads

Hmmmmm, from a conversion perspective I wonder how hard it would be to fit a AoS gor head and greenstuff model it into a gran............