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Paradox Comics n Cards in Fargo, ND is having Alex Davy on their live stream tonight to do an unboxing, gameplay, and Q&A session.

https://www.twitch.tv/paradoxcnc

Here's the description from their Facebook event page:

Thursday, March 8 at 7 PM CST

*Game Designer Alex Davy LIVE!
*Unboxing the Legion core set!
*How to play
*Alex takes your questions

The excitement for the most anticipated Star Wars game of all time continues to build! Now, Paradox brings you the force behind Star Wars Legion LIVE via Twitch as we crack open the Core Set for the very first time!
We’re kicking off our demo season with Alex and he’s going to take us through the contents of the Core Set, teach us how to play, and best of all answer your questions.
Alex grew up at Paradox playing all kinds of games and we’re extremely proud and honored to have him join us. You’ve seen our live coverage of Star Wars ranging from X-Wing Regionals to Armada Regionals and numerous podcasts. Now it’s time to tune in to twitch for this must see moment in Star Wars gaming.
Paradox on twitch: www.twitch.tv/Paradoxcnc

See you all Thursday night!

I think I'll have to check this out

Some one ask if he plans on releasing more factions!!!!

I don't expect to learn much or anything new from this at all.

I'll be tucked up in bed.

ask good questions so I can watch in the am. Thanks.

Well, there's one burning question in my mind I really hope gets answered...

Why 800 points instead of 1000 (And slightly more expensive units)?

Does the AtSt purposely look a bit underpar on paper versus equivalent points in AtRts?

Granted that its pretty easy to make a 800 point army just using the initial releases and the announced next models is the aim for people to have multiple armies or will we very very quickly end up in an xwing situation where the vast majority of ships and pilots aren't competitive?

A lot of us are looking for a 40k replacement but if 800 points is standard tournament play its just a skirmish game.

Star Wars armada officially started at 300pts for 2 waves. Then went to 400...

I'm hoping that it goes to 1000pts after wave 2. With more options a bit more breathing room would be good

4 hours ago, Rammstein117 said:

I don't expect to learn much or anything new from this at all.

Yes but it is cool to here from designers even when they are bound by what they can say.

I'm getting no sound

1 hour ago, Mirkon said:

I'm hoping that it goes to 1000pts after wave 2. With more options a bit more breathing room would be good

Have you read the rrg? There it's already a variant for 1600 points. You play 800 pts on a 3x6 board and 1600 on a 4x6.

I don't know why people request bigger and bigger armies in all the games, all the time. The recommended size of the army have been calculated for fast playing, thinking on tournaments, balance purposes... you have to make choices and play different styles depending on what you field. Nobody force you to play on any army size.

1 hour ago, Hijodecain said:

I don't know why people request bigger and bigger armies in all the games, all the time. The recommended size of the army have been calculated for fast playing, thinking on tournaments, balance purposes... you have to make choices and play different styles depending on what you field. Nobody force you to play on any army size.

Totally agree, and there's the grand scale anyway for bigger battles.

2 hours ago, Hijodecain said:

I don't know why people request bigger and bigger armies in all the games, all the time. The recommended size of the army have been calculated for fast playing, thinking on tournaments, balance purposes... you have to make choices and play different styles depending on what you field. Nobody force you to play on any army size.

I’m actually a little worried about the tournament point.

Alex seemed to make a point to very specifically call out that OP is trying some new things for Legion that will differentiate it from the Swiss style pairings of x-wing.

I kind of got the impression there may not even be normal tournaments.

It's going to be difficult to this game to have the system of tournaments we are getting for other games, and I will point the main reason: 3D terrain. How many shops have enough elements to fill several 6'x3' tables at the same time. Because of that point I see this more the OP for this game in a league format, with a round for several days or weeks. In this way a shop with enough elements for a couple of tables is able to run a league or you can play at home, garage, association...

What I don't know is what is going to happen with regional / national / worlds championships...

27 minutes ago, Hijodecain said:

It's going to be difficult to this game to have the system of tournaments we are getting for other games, and I will point the main reason: 3D terrain. How many shops have enough elements to fill several 6'x3' tables at the same time. Because of that point I see this more the OP for this game in a league format, with a round for several days or weeks. In this way a shop with enough elements for a couple of tables is able to run a league or you can play at home, garage, association...

What I don't know is what is going to happen with regional / national / worlds championships...

Ground Assault Kits. These seasonal kits are released each calendar quarter and offer prizes to support for up to three months of in-store play. Ground Assault prizes are refreshed each season and can be used to support single-day events, weekly game nights, or casual in-store play coordinated with your local organizer.

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I'm not worried about what FFG are offering, I'm a little worried my local store isn't interested in supporting it, because they are more board games and this demands a little too much space. There are other more specialist stores that will do fine though, just means a bit of travel (1st work problems right). I'm just hoping there's enough local players so I'm not stuck to playing online.

If they offered a solid league structure that could be better for some of those stores...

I guess we'll find out more (but not quite enough) on Monday!

1 hour ago, Sk3tch said:

Ground Assault Kits. These seasonal kits are released each calendar quarter and offer prizes to support for up to three months of in-store play. Ground Assault prizes are refreshed each season and can be used to support single-day events, weekly game nights, or casual in-store play coordinated with your local organizer.

Read More: March 12th

I'm not worried about what FFG are offering, I'm a little worried my local store isn't interested in supporting it, because they are more board games and this demands a little too much space. There are other more specialist stores that will do fine though, just means a bit of travel (1st work problems right). I'm just hoping there's enough local players so I'm not stuck to playing online.

If they offered a solid league structure that could be better for some of those stores...

I guess we'll find out more (but not quite enough) on Monday!

I am assuming that the Ground Assault Kits will be like the quarterly litany of Runewars and L5R. Exactly as the preview says, you get enough stuff forn3 months worth of things. I think it's a higher price point formthe FLGS than the old one-shot kits FFG used to do but they support league play much better than the old kits.

From my experience, leagues are much better at growing a community than just 1-shot tournaments because people get to Play more games and end up being more engaged overall. Leagues are also more forgiving than tournaments as far as getting rewards. Tournaments can be fun, but of those are the only way you ever get to Play a game it can be disheartening for players that are more casual players

4 minutes ago, NeonWolf said:

I am assuming that the Ground Assault Kits will be like the quarterly litany of Runewars and L5R. Exactly as the preview says, you get enough stuff forn3 months worth of things. I think it's a higher price point formthe FLGS than the old one-shot kits FFG used to do but they support league play much better than the old kits.

From my experience, leagues are much better at growing a community than just 1-shot tournaments because people get to Play more games and end up being more engaged overall. Leagues are also more forgiving than tournaments as far as getting rewards. Tournaments can be fun, but of those are the only way you ever get to Play a game it can be disheartening for players that are more casual players

Leagues are always harder to pull off, even more so with a new game. Getting multiple people to come over and over again for a month is way more difficult - but you're right, it's probably more fun and better for building a community.

2 hours ago, Hijodecain said:

It's going to be difficult to this game to have the system of tournaments we are getting for other games, and I will point the main reason: 3D terrain. How many shops have enough elements to fill several 6'x3' tables at the same time. Because of that point I see this more the OP for this game in a league format, with a round for several days or weeks. In this way a shop with enough elements for a couple of tables is able to run a league or you can play at home, garage, association...

What I don't know is what is going to happen with regional / national / worlds championships...

LOTS of shops I've been in have enough terrain if they have a large enough wargaming community. The shop I play at regularly has enough terrain to fill all 14 tables they have in the wargaming room. Partly this is because they use the expedience of a felt footprint for woods with one or two 3D trees to make the board look good, but the only thing in relatively short supply is roads, which have no in game effect for Legion anyway.

As I've said before, with Star Wars the planet they happen to be on has some weird ruins, or architecture that looks like medieval europe. Plus there's now stuff like TinkerTurf: $80 bucks for pre-painted terrain that just needs assembly, stores fairly flat and is modular allowing for the table set up to change from tournament to tournament.

57 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

Leagues are always harder to pull off, even more so with a new game. Getting multiple people to come over and over again for a month is way more difficult - but you're right, it's probably more fun and better for building a community.

I've had decent success with an X-Wing escalation league in the past. I went with the escalation tournament rules for squad size each week but didn't require the players to use the previous weeks list. This allowed people to get a feel for different ships and loadouts without forcing them to use things that they didn't like from the previous week.

I'm thinking of doing a Legion League that mimics this starting at 500pts and going up 100pts/week for the first month. Again, no requirement to use units/upgrades from the previous week but have to stick to a single faction. Maybe incorporate some kind of weekly painting reward to encourage that side of the hobby as well. I think the Empire players will have an easier time of that, I'll have to remind my FLGS store owner to stock up on white primer....

@NeonWolfAn escalation league for Legion might have an easier time starting around the 400 point mark as an army of that size is easily created with just the units in the Core box, especially if you ignore the 3 Corps units requirements for the first round.

Any highlights from this last night?

@Caimheul1313 I was going with 500 as a starting since it scales nicely over 4 week with 100 point increases and would allow players to take options from the core set instead of just bare-bones units. However, after just playing around in Tabletop Admiral it appears that the Rebel core forces have a hard time getting to 500 points while the Imperials can get there quite easily. On the other hand, 400 points feels a little restrictive for both sides, even with just the core set. Perhaps 450 is a better starting point...