25 minutes ago, Hidatom said:where did I mention casual play?
I was CLEARLY talking about what FFG will enforce i.e. official events.
Sorry, I misinterpreted what you meant by "FFG won't let you" as a general statement, not a statement solely about OP.
On 3/9/2018 at 6:34 AM, slasher956 said:nah its got to be the old scorpion green... a nice luminous green it was too....
My first miniatures were goblin green bases with a dry brush of scorpion green. Not just the base sides, the sand as well. Ah, the good old days.
Regarding clear bases, there are ways to cut the gloomy effect down. They seem more suited to,board games though. Mansions of madness for example, looks great with stuff on clear bases.
Edited by DosiereOn 3/9/2018 at 8:01 AM, Caimheul1313 said:One of the main issues I've seen with Clear bases is the clouding that occurs when super glue dries on them. Yes it can be cleaned, but still I'd rather have a base that suits the model when it is on display. I will have to work out a method of marking the arcs on the vehicle bases that I like as it is if I choose to put basing material on the bases.
Try Craftics #33 Clear-Thickened Acrylic Cement
CORRECTION
DO NOT USE THIS ON LEGION MINIS
They will not properly bond.
Edited by Zrob3149 hours ago, Dosiere said:Regarding clear bases, there are ways to cut the gloomy effect down. They seem more suited to,board games though. Mansions of madness for example, looks great with stuff on clear bases.
MoM and IA look good on clear bases because then you're not covering up the beautiful game boards.
Also the bases that come with MoM are probably the worst idea FFG ever had and the person who designed them should be....something non drastic but they should have to think about what they did.
Yeah, clear bases on the board games are great. They can also be very thin so they hardly interfere with the visual.
Legion is not that kind of game and for movement, you need the official base for both size and thickness (yeah, I know, that is what she said). Sure you can have something made with the exact same size, but the base will be too thick and the mini will just float.
The best thing I feel is to paint the mini and then base it on the official base with no alteration of paint, glued on saw dust or plastic bits. Just a nice clean look. It does require the mini to be painted before it is played with though.
Sorry to bring up an oldish thread, but I'm really curious about this topic, as Legion is potentially my first FFG game and I would prefer clear bases due to the range of unit themes.
Many Star Wars units relate to specific iconic theaters of battle, or have uniforms that link them to specific planets/environments. Collecting the entire range of either faction and maintaining a consistent basing theme that actually makes sense with all of them is going to be quite limiting, and even a bit difficult (for instance, do you base your Snow Troopers to match your Endor themed Speeders and Storm Troopers, or do you base them each to fit the environment they come from and run an army that lacks a cohesive aesthetic).
I'm concerned about the comments pointing towards the rigidity of FFGs basing restrictions, those seeming to toe the line despite the lack of relevance, and wondering if this is actually reflected in most player's opinions/experiences?
For instance, the chances are extremely rare that a 2mm height discrepancy would make a difference in a game that uses relatively minimal terrain like Legion does. The past five to six years I've primarily played Infinity, a game where tables are packed with terrain of varying height and elevation, and LoF is extremely important. Even so, something as small as a 2mm height difference would rarely cause problems while playing that game.
Also, how difficult is it to visually determine that two criss-crossed lines on a base are at the required 90 degree orientation? Being that they'd be clear, you could simply place it on top of a standard base, and show your opponent there is no issue.
Are typical FFG players (or more importantly TOs) so concerned about strictly following basing guidelines that they're willing to ignore the lack of any logical rationale for those guidelines? Or, are they so paranoid of potential abuse that they'd rather have less flexibility in how their armies look? I'd really like to know people's thoughts on this, because I'm concerned that this may not be the right game for me if this is in fact the case.
There are a few ways to answer your questions. Mostly it comes down to this, "Are you planning on playing in any official Tournaments?". If the answer to this is "yes" then you should wait to decide on clear bases until the Organized Play rules come out.
If your answer is "no" then do as you wish, they are your minis.
3 hours ago, NeonWolf said:There are a few ways to answer your questions. Mostly it comes down to this, "Are you planning on playing in any official Tournaments?". If the answer to this is "yes" then you should wait to decide on clear bases until the Organized Play rules come out.
If your answer is "no" then do as you wish, they are your minis.
My default answer to participating in tournaments involving most miniatures games is "yes." For the most part, I find tournaments to be an enjoyable part of the hobby. At this point, I'm not sure what constitutes an "official" tournament for this game, or whether any tournaments I'd be likely to participate in would count as such.
This is more about getting a read of the room before I decide on whether I'm going to stay in it or not. I'm less concerned about what the organized play rules say, and more concerned that a majority of players (particularly any TOs) would blindly follow such a potentially strict basing rule that has minimal to zero in-game relevance.
If my basing choice relegates my participation to pick up games, I probably won't bother with it.
I've played Xwing and Armada extensively, and the bases on these games cannot be modded. You can mod the model. But not the base. There's a ton of game mechanics here go off the base, so I'd expect FFG to forbid base modding for official events.
As for me, I flock my stuff grassland, and paint the bases very dark green. Couldn't care less what the table looks like, it'll change constantly, but my army looks coherent across.
19 minutes ago, The Hamburglar said:My default answer to participating in tournaments involving most miniatures games is "yes." For the most part, I find tournaments to be an enjoyable part of the hobby. At this point, I'm not sure what constitutes an "official" tournament for this game, or whether any tournaments I'd be likely to participate in would count as such.
This is more about getting a read of the room before I decide on whether I'm going to stay in it or not. I'm less concerned about what the organized play rules say, and more concerned that a majority of players (particularly any TOs) would blindly follow such a potentially strict basing rule that has minimal to zero in-game relevance.
If my basing choice relegates my participation to pick up games, I probably won't bother with it.
It won't necessarily relegate you to pick-up games, but if you plan on playing an FFG game competitively outside of your FLGS you should definitely wait for them to release the OP rules for Legion before basing your mini's. If the OP rules say no base modifications then you can expect anything at the competitive level to follow those rules.
15 minutes ago, Darth Lupine said:As for me, I flock my stuff grassland, and paint the bases very dark green. Couldn't care less what the table looks like, it'll change constantly, but my army looks coherent across.
I've been surprised at the number of people that are claiming to have issues with bases that don't match the table. Perhaps it is the number of players Legion is pulling in that don't have a wargames background?
As @Darth Lupine says, you are basing your army for consistency with itself, not the table you play on. This is why you see so many pictures of armys that have custom display boards matching their basing theme.
39 minutes ago, NeonWolf said:It won't necessarily relegate you to pick-up games, but if you plan on playing an FFG game competitively outside of your FLGS you should definitely wait for them to release the OP rules for Legion before basing your mini's. If the OP rules say no base modifications then you can expect anything at the competitive level to follow those rules.
I've been surprised at the number of people that are claiming to have issues with bases that don't match the table. Perhaps it is the number of players Legion is pulling in that don't have a wargames background?
As @Darth Lupine says, you are basing your army for consistency with itself, not the table you play on. This is why you see so many pictures of armys that have custom display boards matching their basing theme.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it originates from players who are new to this type of miniatures game. I remember thinking the same thing way back when I first picked up 40k.
What I've been telling locals is that the base isn't for the table, it's for the model. It's there to give context to the model and be an almost mini diorama.
Other game company that have done miniatures kind of encouraged army trays to carry around your figures and to have a themed 'tray' to match your army basing. I think once you play, you won't notice that the bases don't match the table top all of the time. At least if you are not too obsessive about it. If you use green flock or sand, I think you will cover maybe 90% of the boards you will see.
I think they remove any sense of personality from your miniatures.
I just want to give an example of how a mini base looks on a table that doesn't match it's basing theme. This is a picture of the Luke Skywalker that I painted with a "desert"-ish base.
Here is a picture of that same miniature on a table that I played on this past Saturday, along with the rest of my army that is still in the process of being painted and based with this same theme. The table is random terrain pieces from my FLGS played on two of the FFG Grassy Field playmats.
Also, if you look in the lower left corner you will see my AT-RT that is only missing the grass tufts from the base to match the base on the Luke mini.
Personally, I have a lot more on my mind when I'm playing this game than "wow, that base doesn't match this table".
I personally would rather look at well painted and detailed snow bases on a lava table than look at clear bases. They are never fully clear and look like semi translucent discs of horrible.
I am still looking into clear bases. I think they would look good, especially if they have a colour painted on the edge to delineate squad.
So, doesn't match the table at all (I don't even know what that Mat is supposed to be), still looks good
Edited by MasterShake2Isn't that the "zerg creep" (or whatever that thing the zerg spread is called) mat?
Where's Raynor?
Just now, NeonWolf said:Isn't that the "zerg creep" (or whatever that thing the zerg spread is called) mat?
Where's Raynor?
Force choked by Vader, as it should be
Personally, I'm not worried about matching the table, I'm worried about units looking silly on bases that don't match their in-universe role/environment or having an army of mismatched basing styles.
Take Imperials. So far, we have Storm Troopers, Speeder Bikes, and AT-ST's that look fine on pretty much any surface. Now, throw in the soon to be released Snow Troopers, and perhaps something something like Shore Troopers. Finding a cohesive yet appropriate basing design that fits all of those just got a bit more difficult.
The nature of the way units are designed in the Star Wars universe (i.e.- toy line logic) puts the notion of serving the mini at odds with that of creating visual coherency. Despite the fact that I enjoy modeling bases, I'd actually prefer to go with the coherency of clear acrylic, because I don't know what units I'm eventually going to run along side each other.
It doesn't help that SW:L seems like the kind of game where a new unit could competitively supplant one you've purchased the full availability of, and even themed an army around. So, back to my previous example, say I go with Hoth themed snow bases because I like Snow Troopers and they perform well at the moment. Then, a year from now, Shore Troopers come out, and they're a more optimal choice. Do I re-base my Speeders and AT-ST's? Run Snow based Shore Troopers? Run snow and coastline themed bases in the same army?
This is not a consideration you typically have to make with other miniature games. The faction or sub faction chosen typically informs the basing aesthetic, not the individual units.
It’s a tricky situation to be sure. I think some amount of compromise is necessary, but there are small ways to tie your forces together.
One way—paint the edges of your bases the same color. If you’re doing gray, do it for stormies and snowies and everything else. The other main way I see is to find an element that can bleed through and fit multiple terrain type shots. Shrubbery is one example—you can go for some snow-covered tufts for your snowtroopers. Another is artificial terrain. If you base your stormtroopers on concrete (sorry, duracrete), you can have little bits of concrete poking through the snow (ruined or not). Little details like that are, I think, the best way around the dilemma you present.
With printed mats becoming the normal table cover I think clear bases look great and I hope FFG will allow them. In particular I want clear bases for flying models.
If not it’s ok. For now I have gone with normal basing.
I think it’s fine to have different base styles across a single army however. The game is just a game and your models will hopefully be on display for 99% of the time.
I really dislike scenic bases personally. And I'm nowhere near new at this (30ish years) so it isn't just the new guys. Lol.
These are what I will most likely be using:
On 4/9/2018 at 6:30 PM, NeonWolf said:Personally, I have a lot more on my mind when I'm playing this game than "wow, that base doesn't match this table".
I'm trash at playing games so my thoughts are usually something like "hey nice shading" as my mooks get absolutely savaged.
Edited by KalEl814I really do not like clear bases. In theory they should be awesome but imo they somehow detract from models.
Hate seeing models hovering a bit above a table too.
all looks too shiny/reflective and false for me.
