2 minutes ago, Thalomen said:

Ok. Just asking if you did. Admittedly I had to watch the scene twice to notice it and its significance.

Oh, gee that was a bad typo on my part, I was attempting to say:

"Thank you, I didn't notice this"

It was a genuine thanks for pointing out to me a neat little detail (the floating glass, Ezra holding it all together) that I completely missed in my viewing.

3 minutes ago, DampfGecko said:

I feel there's an interesting tragedy to be told here, isn't it, though?

It would indeed. How that character could go from young rebel to old supreme leader would make for an interesting tale.

1 hour ago, Darth Lupine said:

They're different species. Shouldn't be possible.

And I bet the next Rebel ship will be a hyperspace capable whale....

Horses and donkeys man. Offspring might be barren but they still exist( mule)

3 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

It would indeed. How that character could go from young rebel to old supreme leader would make for an interesting tale.

That particular turn could also set up a lot of Snoke's peculiar behavioural patterns and character flaws, as those of Ezra are quite well-established by now and can be organically evolved.

5 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

Horses and donkeys man. Offspring might be barren but they still exist( mule)

It depends on who is the female and who is the male.

Male Donkey + Female Horse = Mule
Male Horse + Female Donkey = Hinny/Mare

4 minutes ago, DampfGecko said:

That particular turn could also set up a lot of Snoke's peculiar behavioural patterns and character flaws, as those of Ezra are quite well-established by now and can be organically evolved.

Indubitably. Quite right.

this thread has been a roller coaster. Started talking about Palleon, then went into interspecies breeding, then lightspeed whales, and then a possible crossover. Where will it go next?

4 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

this thread has been a roller coaster. Started talking about Palleon, then went into interspecies breeding, then lightspeed whales, and then a possible crossover. Where will it go next?

I'll guess on the natural progression of this line of topics: a speculation on whether or not Episode 9 will focus on a new young hero who is the inerspecies hybrid of Luke Skywalker and that lactating Giraffe-Seal on A'chto.

It would explain:
(1) Why it was lactating (pregnant)
(2) Why it had such an intimate relationship with Luke that it would share milk with him and he would drink it
(3) The deep, heavy look Luke gives the creature
(4) Why Luke was so unwilling to leave the island or go face the Empire ... he didn't want to be the deadbeat dad his own father was
(5) Why he made a map to his location (TFA) but then claimed he had no intention of ever being found (TLJ): he had intended to study at A'chto and to ultimately be found or return to the Alliance, but he knew his sordid love affair with a semi-sentient Giraffe-Seal was too taboo to be understood, so he became a complete hermit out of shame
(6) The Jedi "nuns" were not simply there to be lazy comedic relief, but rather were there so that it could be explained how Luke's hybrid offspring was raised and educated after Luke was no longer around
(7) Luke's fading into the Force was neither overexertion or a tactical melding, but rather was a way to get out of the situation and avoid having to raise the child after the regrets and doubts that emerged in his mind after being reminded what his outside life before the Space Seal relationship was like; basically the Jedi equivalent of "going out for smokes" and never coming back

Any other points that I missed?

#BetterThanDarthJar-Jar
#Episode8Explained

12 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

I'll guess on the natural progression of this line of topics: a speculation on whether or not Episode 9 will focus on a new young hero who is the inerspecies hybrid of Luke Skywalker and that lactating Giraffe-Seal on A'chto.

I would watch the **** out of this movie

16 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

I'll guess on the natural progression of this line of topics: a speculation on whether or not Episode 9 will focus on a new young hero who is the inerspecies hybrid of Luke Skywalker and that lactating Giraffe-Seal on A'chto.

It would explain:
(1) Why it was lactating (pregnant)
(2) Why it had such an intimate relationship with Luke that it would share milk with him and he would drink it
(3) The deep, heavy look Luke gives the creature
(4) Why Luke was so unwilling to leave the island or go face the Empire ... he didn't want to be the deadbeat dad his own father was
(5) Why he made a map to his location (TFA) but then claimed he had no intention of ever being found (TLJ): he had intended to study at A'chto and to ultimately be found or return to the Alliance, but he knew his sordid love affair with a semi-sentient Giraffe-Seal was too taboo to be understood, so he became a complete hermit out of shame
(6) The Jedi "nuns" were not simply there to be lazy comedic relief, but rather were there so that it could be explained how Luke's hybrid offspring was raised and educated after Luke was no longer around
(7) Luke's fading into the Force was neither overexertion or a tactical melding, but rather was a way to get out of the situation and avoid having to raise the child after the regrets and doubts that emerged in his mind after being reminded what his outside life before the Space Seal relationship was like; basically the Jedi equivalent of "going out for smokes" and never coming back

Any other points that I missed?

#BetterThanDarthJar-Jar
#Episode8Explained

Your logic is impeccable.

I have a feeling that you may have put more thought into this than the writers of episode 8.

34 minutes ago, Diabloelmo said:

I would watch the **** out of this movie

Me too, I can see the epic drama unfolding now:

Kylo turns, staring quizzically at the strange creature standing across the field. Smoke drifts across the tall grasses, as if the soot-filled clouds were the ghosts of the fallen Knights of Ren escaping from their slain mortal forms. The long brown jedi robes on the stranger flutter until a blubbery appendage reaches out of the billowy sleeve, a mesh of fingers and flipper wrapping around the lightsaber hilt and drawing it free from its belt clip.

"What... are ...you?" Kylo asks, in a mixture of curiosity and dread . Kylo embraced the chaos of uncertainty, he seized every opportunity to put his pen to history's still-blank slates. But this, this was different. For the first time in a long time he felt fear in the face of the unknown. Kylo tried to tap into it, he tried to channel its raw emotional force into a powerful rage. But this pit within himself, he could not command it, he could not control it. Instead of feeling electrified with raw emotion, he felt cold and hollow. Vulnerable. A flood of thoughts cascaded across Kylo's mind. Were any of his Knights left? Was he now all alone? Had this strange alien killed them all without even using its lightsaber?

"I'm two things" the alien creature bellows . "I'm your cousin. And I'm your wooooaaaaaarrrrsssssttttt* nightmare!"

The loud snap of a lightsaber blade erupting into existence awakens Kylo from a pit of his own confused thoughts, and as fear overcomes his features he frantically reaches down to find his own blade . ...



(*read as closely as possible to a bleating seal-cry noise)

1 hour ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Uh, they did kill him off... he was getting strangled by a tentacle, and even if that didn't kill him he was standing 6 inches from a bunch of open broken windows right before his ship entered hyperspace across the galaxy. I'm no Chiss biologist, but I'm pretty sure spending a few moments in deep space, especially while at hyperspace, would kill one.

Nah, rebels recon confirmed that he is still alive.

Lol just realized that, for as excited as we all got about it, the dreadnought was barely in this episode anymore than it was in the trailer.

4 hours ago, Palanthas said:

Your watching an ending that is generated for pre teens. What did you think was going to happen, this isn't Rogue One. Them killing off Kanan was probably a bigger surprise to me as I thought for sure they would just tuck him away somewhere.

Everything you said is true for an adult show, but you need to take a step back and realize that this show wasn't geared towards us. One of things that the show has been strongly hinting at that while Thrawn may be good, his officers are not. Would a junior lackey be thrown off by the pig distraction. Sure you don't know what's following it up so the attention is focused.

Plot armor is fine, as the story was decent from beginning to end.

show is geared for kids to show them that the way to go is gather all imps in the globe, fly it out to sea and blow it up? cause, you know, letting Rukh alive is ok as this is not how we do it when its all up close and personal, but we blow them away by the, I dont know, thousand, just because, hm, we can?

Not personal, of course, but not for one minute I believe this show is made for non-adults. Sure it has the nice effect to draw young and hence new people into Star Wars, but all the connections they make, they make for us.

And yes, this failing from hundreds to hit literally anyone with a space pew pew is really , really lame. Kids or not, the writers could go down other lanes than those mass shootings. I am not a kid anymore, but I guess even younglings might wonder....I can easily go along with officers under Thrawn not being competent...he didnt expect it himself, but regular Stormtroopers, even on backwater planets like Lothal (lets not talk about the security need for the Tie Defender project) simply cannot be that bad. Yet they ever go for that route. Its lame, more than that. As if the Emperor holds everything together with the Force and some spit, and thats it.

So, apart from that, things like where did Thrawn (and Pellaeon) end up, any connection to Snoke etc. are holding my keen interest, and I am grateful to the creators that they put those characters and questions in Rebels.

19 minutes ago, NebulonB said:

show is geared for kids to show them that the way to go is gather all imps in the globe, fly it out to sea and blow it up? cause, you know, letting Rukh alive is ok as this is not how we do it when its all up close and personal, but we blow them away by the, I dont know, thousand, just because, hm, we can?

Not personal, of course, but not for one minute I believe this show is made for non-adults. Sure it has the nice effect to draw young and hence new people into Star Wars, but all the connections they make, they make for us.

And yes, this failing from hundreds to hit literally anyone with a space pew pew is really , really lame. Kids or not, the writers could go down other lanes than those mass shootings. I am not a kid anymore, but I guess even younglings might wonder....I can easily go along with officers under Thrawn not being competent...he didnt expect it himself, but regular Stormtroopers, even on backwater planets like Lothal (lets not talk about the security need for the Tie Defender project) simply cannot be that bad. Yet they ever go for that route. Its lame, more than that. As if the Emperor holds everything together with the Force and some spit, and thats it.

So, apart from that, things like where did Thrawn (and Pellaeon) end up, any connection to Snoke etc. are holding my keen interest, and I am grateful to the creators that they put those characters and questions in Rebels.

Audi Murphy disagrees with you.

Garrisson troops historically are the most laziest, abusive troops that are assigned this duty because they are unfit for frontline combat. These troops often do not drill and if they do, are undisciplined.

Also the emperor does hold everything together. I recommend reading Rebel Dawn for a little more political insight in this.

Lastly an average episode is less then 20 minutes so you don’t really get a lot of complex story telling strategies in a universe known for gunfights.

3 minutes ago, Palanthas said:

Audi Murphy disagrees with you.

Garrisson troops historically are the most laziest, abusive troops that are assigned this duty because they are unfit for frontline combat. These troops often do not drill and if they do, are undisciplined.

Also the emperor does hold everything together. I recommend reading Rebel Dawn for a little more political insight in this.

Lastly an average episode is less then 20 minutes so you don’t really get a lot of complex story telling strategies in a universe known for gunfights.

They are? In real life I'm a military historian by profession. That's a new one to me.

After season 3, I got over the kiddy element where the Rebels will always win. That said, I'm really ******* tired of the plot armor. There was no explanation on how or why the whales showed up, or what that kids mission was when he took the Ghost. At least explain they had some biological transponder that attracted them, or give some other excuse. Or even the force of Lothal reaching out, since the planet has force wolves. I'm happy the show is finally over and we can get a better story (hopefully).

That said, I really enjoyed how Rebels ties into all the other Star Wars content, which made it much more enjoyable. I love when all the pieces come together.

1 hour ago, Thalomen said:

They are? In real life I'm a military historian by profession. That's a new one to me.

So am I. Read through colonial Africa, Roman history, or Chinese history for more references on garrisoning.

Just now, Palanthas said:

So am I. Read through colonial Africa, Roman history, or Chinese history for more references on garrisoning.

I have. Those examples don’t justify the blanket statement for all garrison troops.

2 hours ago, Palanthas said:

Garrisson troops historically are the most laziest, abusive troops that are assigned this duty because they are unfit for frontline combat. These troops often do not drill and if they do, are undisciplined.

2 hours ago, Thalomen said:

They are? In real life I'm a military historian by profession. That's a new one to me.

Now all i can think about is Mr. Garrison from south park. Not only lecturing on this, but also a literal garrison of Mr. Garrison's. And its friggin killin me right now!

11 hours ago, Indy_com said:

Captain Paelleon has entered canon!

<three seconds later>

Captain Paelleon has been killed by a space whale!

Wait a minute. The blockade has been destroyed. But there's escape pod and "a blockade" can be neutralized and commented "is not anymore" and half crew survive the impact. It is just non-blockading ships.

For me, Pellaeon is alive.

As he always is.

I'm curious to know how Palpatine, vindictive, spiteful, control-freak Sith Lord that he is, doesn't order Lothal to be glassed after this. How does this cell get away with this and not suffer immediate and obliterating retaliation?

59 minutes ago, Alzer said:

I'm curious to know how Palpatine, vindictive, spiteful, control-freak Sith Lord that he is, doesn't order Lothal to be glassed after this. How does this cell get away with this and not suffer immediate and obliterating retaliation?

Because glassing planets casually is an EU thing, thankfully discarded as it made no sense.

If the Empire could actually casually glass a planet , then it had no need in sinking a ridiculous 20 years or more of construction, endless slaves and strip-mined planets, and scouring the galaxy for kyber chrystals, to make a Death Star. There would be literally no point in the thing if you could already slag the surface of a planet without difficulty.

nuCanon has (generally) veered pretty far away from that and shown Star Destroyer firepower as something more like artillery bombardment by 5" or maybe 8" shells (say - cruiser gunfire on a landing site). I mean, just look at the times we've seen Star Destroyers attacking the surface of planets in 'Rebels' - a single hit destroys much of a single-family home alright, but that's about it.

And before someone tries to bring up 'vaporizing asteroids in ESB' as some kind of evidence of nuclear-scale weapons...I'd remind you that the asteroids vaporized each other by just bumping into each other . IE., that was an asteroid field of gunpowder-and-flint rocks filled with hydrogen!

So, sure, a few thousand Star Destroyers from the Imperial fleet could have been redirected to Lothal and spent a couple months bombarding the surface, and likely rendered it uninhabitable. Fine. But this is the same time period the actual Rebellion has just destroyed the Death Star and the Emperor now knows that the only person he can foresee as a threat to his life - Luke Skywalker - is out and about. So...really blow that many resources on some valueless Outer Rim planet (when the Empire cannot control the Outer Rim ANYWAY - Mandalore already rebelled, and much of it left to the control of the Hutts, guilds, and Corporate Sector Authority)? Especially when you've just lost the Death Star, the only Moff (Tarkin) with any connection to it, one of your Grand Admirals, and the entire 7th fleet to some kind of local phenomena that you have no information on?

HECK NO!

6 hours ago, Palanthas said:

Audi Murphy disagrees with you.

Garrisson troops historically are the most laziest, abusive troops that are assigned this duty because they are unfit for frontline combat. These troops often do not drill and if they do, are undisciplined.

Also the emperor does hold everything together. I recommend reading Rebel Dawn for a little more political insight in this.

Lastly an average episode is less then 20 minutes so you don’t really get a lot of complex story telling strategies in a universe known for gunfights.

I am unaware of that Romans on the Limes or Hadrians wall (literally the front line) have been the most inept in fighting, or Alexanders troops he left as garrison in conquered cities. Sure, some might have been injured at that time and it was convenient to let them there, but those have all been crack troops. Alexanders might have become civilians if they didnt fight in the Successors wars, anyway, but Romans there surely were more competent than to hit no one

What do you mean by Garrison troops though?

Those based in a Garrison for the duration of their time (eg the British army in Germany... Garrison troops expected to fight the Warsaw Pact)

Those who are garrisoned /billeted in an area to maintain a presence (eg the German Garrison on the Atlantic wall)

3 hours ago, xanderf said:

Because glassing planets casually is an EU thing, thankfully discarded as it made no sense.

If the Empire could actually casually glass a planet , then it had no need in sinking a ridiculous 20 years or more of construction, endless slaves and strip-mined planets, and scouring the galaxy for kyber chrystals, to make a Death Star. There would be literally no point in the thing if you could already slag the surface of a planet without difficulty.

nuCanon has (generally) veered pretty far away from that and shown Star Destroyer firepower as something more like artillery bombardment by 5" or maybe 8" shells (say - cruiser gunfire on a landing site). I mean, just look at the times we've seen Star Destroyers attacking the surface of planets in 'Rebels' - a single hit destroys much of a single-family home alright, but that's about it.

And before someone tries to bring up 'vaporizing asteroids in ESB' as some kind of evidence of nuclear-scale weapons...I'd remind you that the asteroids vaporized each other by just bumping into each other . IE., that was an asteroid field of gunpowder-and-flint rocks filled with hydrogen!

So, sure, a few thousand Star Destroyers from the Imperial fleet could have been redirected to Lothal and spent a couple months bombarding the surface, and likely rendered it uninhabitable. Fine. But this is the same time period the actual Rebellion has just destroyed the Death Star and the Emperor now knows that the only person he can foresee as a threat to his life - Luke Skywalker - is out and about. So...really blow that many resources on some valueless Outer Rim planet (when the Empire cannot control the Outer Rim ANYWAY - Mandalore already rebelled, and much of it left to the control of the Hutts, guilds, and Corporate Sector Authority)? Especially when you've just lost the Death Star, the only Moff (Tarkin) with any connection to it, one of your Grand Admirals, and the entire 7th fleet to some kind of local phenomena that you have no information on?

HECK NO!

Well technically this happened before that, since Hera was at Scarif. So he didn't have any major losses, nor did he know of Luke. He could have popped an ISD over to blow up the (seemingly only) city, and landed a few thousand troops to kill any survivors.

2 hours ago, NebulonB said:

I am unaware of that Romans on the Limes or Hadrians wall (literally the front line) have been the most inept in fighting, or Alexanders troops he left as garrison in conquered cities. Sure, some might have been injured at that time and it was convenient to let them there, but those have all been crack troops. Alexanders might have become civilians if they didnt fight in the Successors wars, anyway, but Romans there surely were more competent than to hit no one

As you say, they were on the front line. I think the initial comment referred to troops garrisoned in friendly cities, like maybe, say, Rome's garrison or Brundisium's (did they have garrisons? Or was it just the local populace being given weapons? Is there a difference? In Greece there wasn't).

In the case of Lothal I think the latter applies. Thrawn didn't replace the original garrison, nor did Vader and Tarkin, so those guys were there when it was peaceful and they were terrorizing unarmed farmers in a militarily-insignificant backwater.