Very excited to get my first Mel's Miniatures order off shapeways. I got the U-wing set, which I think is the best new star wars ship design since Disney got Star Wars. But until we get rules for it, I'm wondering what I should count it as? I have a few thoughts:
HWK-290
VCX
YT-2400
If anyone else has them, what do you run them as? In reality, I'll probably just end up running them as whichever of those 3 happen to be in my fleet
VCX is the closest analog I think. Strategic for objective play seems most appropriate. Unless you want to argue for Rogue.
Just now, BiggsIRL said:VCX is the closest analog I think. Strategic for objective play seems most appropriate. Unless you want to argue for Rogue.
Gotta agree with Biggs, these are definitely a support squadron.
I also don't think it will be too much longer before they show up as the Rebel Raid squadron. Probably wave 8, maybe 9.
I think there is a strong argument for VCX, but any of the above 3 could be used as well. With a ship that cool and custom, I would find a use for it in any list I played TBH.
HWK has a special place in my heart so you cannot replace them.
VCX, for reasons.
Funnily enough, it’s probably the Mandalorian Gauntlet, but I guess that isn’t useful.
1 minute ago, TheCallum said:Funnily enough, it’s probably the Mandalorian Gauntlet, but I guess that isn’t useful.
Yeah, I have thought about that too... But you are right, not useful.
I assume we are going to a Cassian Andor as the Ace U-wing, probably Rogue and Raid too. Maybe something with K2SO?
I do think it the U-wing would have some sort of counter. There is a side gunner right? And it's a support ship, which makes me think HWK.
But it's use for independent strategic missions makes me think VCX.
But it's the fact that it's independent makes me think YT-2400 with Rogue.
How about the Lancer-Class Pursuit Craft?
Stats and abilities seem close?
28 minutes ago, Tiberius the Killer said:do think it the U-wing would have some sort of counter. There is a side gunner right?
well unless you want to get your crew sucked into the void of space I don't recommend using that side gun in armada...
Just now, Visovics said:well unless you want to get your crew sucked into the void of space I don't recommend using that side gun in armada...
“Blown.
Blown into space.”
Definitely the HWK. Specifically Jan Ors.
Jan Ors and Jyn Erso are essentially the same character.
3 minutes ago, stonestokes said:Definitely the HWK. Specifically Jan Ors.
Jan Ors and Jyn Erso are essentially the same character.
I am 100% convinced Jyn and Cassian are Gender Swapped tributes to Kyle and Jan respectively.
13 minutes ago, Visovics said:well unless you want to get your crew sucked into the void of space I don't recommend using that side gun in armada...
They... have a... shield or something? I sure they could figure something out...
15 minutes ago, Englishpete said:How about the Lancer-Class Pursuit Craft?
Stats and abilities seem close?
I hadn't thought about that. Half the reason I never even think to use those is how ugly they are.
1 hour ago, Tiberius the Killer said:Yeah, I have thought about that too... But you are right, not useful.
I assume we are going to a Cassian Andor as the Ace U-wing, probably Rogue and Raid too. Maybe something with K2SO?
I do think it the U-wing would have some sort of counter. There is a side gunner right? And it's a support ship, which makes me think HWK.
But it's use for independent strategic missions makes me think VCX.
But it's the fact that it's independent makes me think YT-2400 with Rogue.
In the film wasn’t the side gunner only shooting in atmosphere with the side door open?
**oops. I’m an idiot as this has clearly been stated multiple times…
Edited by mr_mithrandirThe Uwing never demonstrated any real useful squadron to squadron effectiveness. It was all support/ground attack. So the 2400 is a poor choice. Yes, Uwings should be Rogue, but the 2400 is too much a fighting craft than a support
I feel like the HWK or VCX is probably the best match. Intel and counter seems appropriate. On the other hand, Strategic/Relay seems appropriate.
53 minutes ago, Visovics said:well unless you want to get your crew sucked into the void of space I don't recommend using that side gun in armada...
I mean, if everyone was in pressure suits with air being supplied/life support, then you could do it in space.
Seems kinda not Star Wars-y. But there are episodes of Rebels and Clone Wars where people are outside of ships in the vacuum of space. So there is precedence.
I think it would be cool for U-Wings to have some kind of boarding action. I wish ships in the game had a troop value, using the idea from Battlefleet Gothic armada 2, but instead, the troop value determines the number of boarding attempts that can be made. So as ships require a certain range to get into to launch boarding troops, you can use a U-Wing to take troops from the troop value of the ship (pick the type) then fly them a greater distance to the target. Launch the troops and then come back to the ships in order to pick up more.
I dunno I always thought this would of been an awesome mechanic to have and I will do this probably for a custom game at some point and work out some details.
If you’re just using a U-wing as an alternate model on an existing Squadron card/base, then my vote is for VCX.
If we’re theory crafting a U-wing squadron for custom play, then I would give it Strategic and Raid with 4 hull, 3 speed, 3 blue anti squadron and 2 blue anti ship. The ace would be K-2SO with Strategic and Relay 1, same core stats, ability: “When you resolve the Strategic Keyword, you may move the chosen objective token so that it’s final position is at distance 1-2 of you.”
6 hours ago, Visovics said:well unless you want to get your crew sucked into the void of space I don't recommend using that side gun in armada...
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6 hours ago, Drasnighta said:“Blown.
Blown into space.”
What about
Relay 2
Counter 1
Lambda and not Lamda at the same time.
I know how some people feel about Relay 2 and instead of nerfing it with errata, balance it out with a Rebel version
So relay without strategic. Sounds cool. Different at least.
2 hours ago, Shadoq said:What about
Relay 2
Counter 1
Lambda and not Lamda at the same time.
I know how some people feel about Relay 2 and instead of nerfing it with errata, balance it out with a Rebel version
Not with Yavaris being Yavaris.
12 hours ago, Drasnighta said:“Blown.
Blown into space.”
<pedantic>Opening the side doors in vacuum would produce a stiff breeze. (The cabin volume is pretty small and the door area is very large.) With artificial gravity, the friction of your feet on the deck would probably be enough to keep you safe. Without it, you could easily hang on to a strap, handle, or seatback.</ pedantic>
<pedantic>Then you'd lose consciousness in 10 seconds. If they got you back in pressure within 2 minutes, you'd be fine within a few hours. (See: Leia Organa in TLJ--they exaggerated how long it would take for her to recover.)</ pedantic>
Edited by elbmc196919 minutes ago, elbmc1969 said:<pedantic>Opening the side doors in vacuum would produce a stiff breeze. (The cabin volume is pretty small and the door area is very large.) With artificial gravity, the friction of your feet on the deck would probably be enough to keep you safe. Without it, you could easily hang on to a strap, handle, or seatback.</ pedantic>
<pedantic>Then you'd lose consciousness in 10 seconds. If they got you back in pressure within 2 minutes, you'd be fine within a few hours. (See: Leia Organa in TLJ--they exaggerated how long it would take for her to recover.)</ pedantic>
Be pedantic all you want, I was quoting, not critiquing
