Dude, there is a meaning for within in this game. And this sentence reference object not measure... At this point you are clearly trolling everyone....

I'm literally snort-laughing at this point.

2 hours ago, SkullNBones said:

Because our language has a literal meaning and a figurative one. If you state that something can only be measured within range one (which the RAW do), it literally declares nothing about the object one uses extending beyond range 1. ONLY that what you measure must be within range 1. The language banning extending the physical object beyond range 1 is missing from the statement and therefore can be legally argued for; implication is not application.

Actually, this is incorrect. The explicit, defined requirement in this rule is that the range rulers and templates be within Range 1. This specific step says nothing about the position of the ships; rather it is giving instructions on how to use your templates. Remember, there are situations where a ship can be deployed outside of Range 1 (large base ships placed at an angle, for example)... but the rule explained here is that you may only use range rulers and templates to measure, and even then, only wholly within Range 1.

Hate to be that guy but Old Man Han says hello with his " When you are placed during setup, you can be placed anywhere in the play area beyond Range 3 of enemy ships."

7 minutes ago, bgrelle said:

Hate to be that guy but Old Man Han says hello with his " When you are placed during setup, you can be placed anywhere in the play area beyond Range 3 of enemy ships."

SPecific exceptions to general rules are how this game functions.

22 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

SPecific exceptions to general rules are how this game functions.

Yes I know that, why I was saying "be that guy"

I'm gonna start laying a range ruler somewhere near my ships as I move them from now on...just cause there's a ruler there doesn't mean I'm measuring. After all, the rules clearly define the process that is measuring.

"To measure range between two ships, place the range ruler over the point of the first ship that is closest to the second ship, then point the other end of the ruler toward the point of the second ship’s base that is closest to the first base. The range is the band of the range ruler that falls over the closest point of the second ship"

If I didn't do that, I never measured! Hoorah!

You never measured range between two ships, no. You measured the distance between two arbitrary points on the map and gained information which may help you during play, yes.

5 hours ago, RebelRogue said:

I'm gonna start laying a range ruler somewhere near my ships as I move them from now on...just cause there's a ruler there doesn't mean I'm measuring. After all, the rules clearly define the process that is measuring.

"To measure range between two ships, place the range ruler over the point of the first ship that is closest to the second ship, then point the other end of the ruler toward the point of the second ship’s base that is closest to the first base. The range is the band of the range ruler that falls over the closest point of the second ship"

If I didn't do that, I never measured! Hoorah!

4 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

You never measured range between two ships, no. You measured the distance between two arbitrary points on the map and gained information which may help you during play, yes.