8 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

Saturation Salvo?

Double edge with munitions failsafe and Missile of choice (or Unguided Rockets for cheap) would love Saturation Salvo. Hardly R3 useless.

5 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

FFG has never released* a set which contained a card which couldn't be equipped by (one of) the ship(s) in that set. That wasn't a commonet on viability in play.

*The Punishing One now does include such cards, but didn't at release.

TIE Defender?

5 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

I suspect it might be both; Saw does turn up in a U-wing's crew in Rebels.

Well we know Saw is in it, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying I find it heard to believe they would completely neglect the crowd favorite of the movie who was already missed once and who has the most on screen time flying the U-wing.

2 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

Double edge with munitions failsafe and Missile of choice (or Unguided Rockets for cheap) would love Saturation Salvo. Hardly R3 useless.

Double edge is the least worst use of Saturation Salvo, but that doesn't make Saturation Salvo not terrible. It's still awful.

2 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

TIE Defender?

Predator, Outmanoeuvre, Munitions Failsafe, IPM, Ion Cannon. It can use all of those, albeit, not all at the same time. They often include alternative options, just never* things which you outright can't equip.

*Punishing One etc.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

Double edge is the least worst use of Saturation Salvo, but that doesn't make Saturation Salvo not terrible. It's still awful.

Predator, Outmanoeuvre, Munitions Failsafe, IPM, Ion Cannon. It can use all of those, albeit, not all at the same time.

Oh sorry I forgot it was Upgades you were talking about. I was referring to the strange Evade token included with the Defender.

double edge at least makes Salvo a viable choice, if not ideal. Like Expose on a Decimator with free actions. Or marksmanship on BTL TLT Horton (my favourite janky ship).

13 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

Saturation Salvo? Flight Instructor? The Quadjumper?

6 hours ago, Stevey86 said:

R3 Astromech begs to differ.

I realise that these are at least partly in jest, but there's a difference between a bad card that you shouldn't use, and a card that you absolutely can not use, that you don't have the pieces you need to use it. As little as you lose when you rip up your R3 Astromech card, you do lose the chance to use it if you had some crazy reason to do so. When you rip up two of the five PS1 X wings, you lose absolutely nothing, because they are literally unusable.

I don't think that FFG are still designing anything, to be honest. As much as I'd like to see a K2SO pilot, I just don't see a reason to keep it secret. As people have mentioned, K would be a drawcard, you'd use his presence as a selling point. And if he weren't finished... I dunno. I jist can't imagine

realistic workflow where you get to the announced article stage before you've finalised the card design, particularly since we know there's an eighteen or so month development cycle on an X Wing release. If the next wave is to be released within the next six months or so, the cards must surely be locked down by now.

5 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Just to note:

• Whilst Servomotor S-Foils appears to be T-65 only, Rene(gade) Re(fit) is T-65 and something else Only because of the length of that first line of text. It's not unreasonable to assume it's for both the X-wing and the U-wing. A U-wing with a points discount and the ability to equip two modifications (as a large ship with half-decent agility, countermeasures is always tempting) is not a bad option.
• Thr(ust) Cor(rector) is another unspoiled card in the fan. We can't see the full text, but:
  • It has no limitations text line (so it's not restricted to a specific ship, and it's not a modification or title)
    • If it's not a modification or title, the most likely upgrade type for it to be is a systems upgrade, making it (at least within the scope this expansion) kit for a U-wing.
  • It appears to say 'when defending'.....'3 or fewer'.....'may receive'....'cancel all', which would imply a vaguely countdown-esque effect.

It's possible renegade refit might be for the U Wing, but I also think "T-65 X Wing only" might fill that line. I hope it works on the U Wing too, otherwise this would be a huged missed opportunity.

As for the Thrust Corrector, I guess it could be something nice for the U Wing, but it's hard to imagine an unrestricted upgrade that would make a U Wing worth taking over a Wookiee or something and not be just better on something else. I mean, there are lots of better chassis with a system slot. I guess it could interact with a zero stop or something? Who knows. FFG's designers have impressed me many times before, so they could pull something suitably niche out, but... Well, I'll wait an hope to be impressed I guess.

3 minutes ago, MacchuWA said:

It's possible renegade refit might be for the U Wing, but I also think "T-65 X Wing only" might fill that line. I hope it works on the U Wing too, otherwise this would be a huged missed opportunity.

It’s so strange that they went with (presumedly) changing the rules to state T-65 is the designation for the original X-wing instead of doing what the Krennic card does and state Rebel Alliance only. It’s almost as clumsy as having to explain the whole TIE Advanced/TAP x1/v1 titles.

6 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

Oh sorry I forgot it was Upgades you were talking about. I was referring to the strange Evade token included with the Defender.

double edge at least makes Salvo a viable choice, if not ideal. Like Expose on a Decimator with free actions. Or marksmanship on BTL TLT Horton (my favourite janky ship).

depends entirely on what you mean by viable. Salvo is functional in most lists that choose to take it - i.e. they run it with missiles and manybe munitions failsafe and it has a chance to do something.

Double Edge isn't viable in any competitive list. NOr's Saturation Salvo. It's almost the worst 1 point you can spend in the game.

5 minutes ago, MacchuWA said:

realistic workflow where you get to the announced article stage before you've finalised the card design, particularly since we know there's an eighteen or so month development cycle on an X Wing release. If the next wave is to be released within the next six months or so, the cards must surely be locked down by now.

Oh you sweet summer child.

No.

It's still listed as In Development on their own website, and plenty of cards have been changes between announcement and printing before.

Honestly I wish they wouldn't announce things so freaking early, it means things feel played out before they even arrive - but they do, and this kind of thing is the result.

15 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

Look at the tokens. One focus. One stress. One critical damage. I’m pretty sure there’s two ships in this set. Maybe they are counting on the core set to cover the gap, I dunno. 40 dollar boxes have a ton of cardboard in them and sure the contents will not exactly match what we see. Remember, in the initial release of the article the U-wing was sitting on a LARGE BASE X-wing ship token.

I'm not sure I follow your point here. Sure, the contents might include an extra two small base chits that they chose not to include, and maybe the guy doing the render added a second large base for no reason. But does that make sense? Or, ignoring the minutia of FFG's graphic design people's workflows, does it make sense that they would release an aces pack woth a large base ship in it (i.e. an expensive one) with just two new pilots? I say it doesn't.

And if anything, the fact that they messed up and rendered the image with the X Wing texture applied to the large base chit would seem to suggest someone might have been monkeying around with the image late in the process. Maybe it was a Qi'Ra base until someone changed it last minute?

25 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Luxury. WHen I were a lad we had to carry our hot baked potatoes in our BARE HANDS. Uphill. Both ways.

You forgot "in the snow."

Just now, Darth Meanie said:

You forgot "in the snow."

No we got frozen potatoes in the snow. Look at you with your warm hands when it snowed.

1 minute ago, MacchuWA said:

I’m not sure I follow your point here.

My point was that FFG has been doing some strange things lately with what they include or exclude from the cardboard of recent expansions. And that you should never trust these articles, they ALWAYS have errors in them. ALWAYS.

FFG May have lost their minds like SAW, but at least we have GUNBOAT now.

Rebel aces:

2 - Test Pilots

3 - Chardann Refits.

need to buy 3 kits to run 5 GSP A-Wing Swarm.

we have seen this greed before.

11 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Double Edge isn't viable in any competitive list.

There’s a long sad wall of non-viable pilots in this game.

11 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Saturation Salvo. It's almost the worst 1 point you can spend in the game.

Hmmm. Sounds like a challenge. Ok gang, what is the absolute worst way to spend one squad point in this game?

Just now, Wiredin said:

Rebel aces:

2 - Test Pilots

3 - Chardann Refits.

need to buy 3 kits to run 5 GSP A-Wing Swarm.

we have seen this greed before.

Thank you for remembering.

24 minutes ago, Sekac said:

Well we know Saw is in it, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying I find it heard to believe they would completely neglect the crowd favorite of the movie who was already missed once and who has the most on screen time flying the U-wing.

He wasn’t part of Saw’s crew. Gotta wait til U-wing: part III, Battle of Scarif box/campaign set.

8 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

Rebel aces:

2 - Test Pilots

3 - Chardann Refits.

need to buy 3 kits to run 5 GSP A-Wing Swarm.

we have seen this greed before.

And then 5 juke and 5 crack shot... Flew that a lot, but never in a tournament, since I won't buy **** I don't like/need to play the ships I already own.

23 minutes ago, MacchuWA said:

It's possible renegade refit might be for the U Wing, but I also think "T-65 X Wing only" might fill that line. I hope it works on the U Wing too, otherwise this would be a huged missed opportunity.

Compare the bit of the Renegade Refit card visible to Servomotor S-Foils - you can see the text starts with "T-65" a lot further over to the left.

24 minutes ago, MacchuWA said:

As for the Thrust Corrector, I guess it could be something nice for the U Wing, but it's hard to imagine an unrestricted upgrade that would make a U Wing worth taking over a Wookiee or something and not be just better on something else. I mean, there are lots of better chassis with a system slot. I guess it could interact with a zero stop or something? Who knows. FFG's designers have impressed me many times before, so they could pull something suitably niche out, but... Well, I'll wait an hope to be impressed I guess.

Exactly. Whilst a U-wing has a systems slot, relatively few things (U-wing and TIE phantom) have a decent agility and a systems slot (especially if Renegade Refit is allowing you to take countermeasures as a second modification). Or it could interact with the stop move - nice thought (boosts Lambda, Upsilon and U-wing).

It doesn't have to be U-wing only to be well suited for the U-wing.

4 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

And then 5 juke and 5 crack shot... Flew that a lot, but never in a tournament, since I won't buy **** I don't like/need to play the ships I already own.

crackshot became surprisingly easy, the OP kit was a nice touch (+2), then the YV666 (+1), imp vets (+1), and Kirax (+1). but snap shot or juke was a PITA...I got 4 snaps from Upsilon/Heros, traded for another one...but only got 3 Jukes.

however, your right... I've never flown the upsilon OR the YV

18 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

There’s a long sad wall of non-viable pilots in this game.

Hmmm. Sounds like a challenge. Ok gang, what is the absolute worst way to spend one squad point in this game?

One third of R3 Astromech.

Assuming you rule out spending points on things which are outright nonfunctional like Munitions Failsafe (or Saturation Salvo)_ in lists without any ordnance.

15 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

There’s a long sad wall of non-viable pilots in this game.

There is also a long sad wall of non-viable basketball players in the world.

It doesn't mean the non-professional-players aren't fun to play with on a Saturday afternoon.

In fact, one good reason for then to exist is B-list play, to creatively use the weaker pilots to their best potential, just because.

1 hour ago, GrimmyV said:

He wasn’t part of Saw’s crew. Gotta wait til U-wing: part III, Battle of Scarif box/campaign set.

So? He is the quintessential U-wing pilot and this would be a perfect opportunity to correct the missed opportunity of the original release.

"Sorry, he's not part of Saw's crew, our hands are tied." Is not acceptable explanation. Nobody gives a **** about Saw's crew, and nobody wants 3 U-wing releases.

If they exclude K2-SO again, people will have a right to be pissed.

It is worth noting that the obvious error of an X-wing base on the U-wing was fixed while the odd pilot cards and s-foils cards remain. My tinfoil hat is still firmly in place.

Oh... And of course we had it tough, we had to bake our potatoes on the way to school by crawling with the hot coals balanced on our backs, burning us horribly. And when we got to school, we had to give the potato to the teacher and eat the coals.

They just want to have some unspoiled elements & poke fun at us a bit, without anything being tied to the Solo movies (those ships are from the Rogue One era). Mystery solved. Next.

2 hours ago, Celestial Lizards said:

Saturation Salvo? Flight Instructor? The Quadjumper?

FI is really good in HOATC. Just sayin'.

1 hour ago, Darth Meanie said:

There is also a long sad wall of non-viable football players in the world.

It doesn't mean the lower-league players aren't fun to watch on a Saturday afternoon, though.

In fact, with a solid game plan, self confidence and a bit of luck, they can occassionally shut down the top-tier players as well....

FTFY