There is no way what FFG showed us in the spread is what actually makes it into stores.

5 PS1 X Wing cards which you can't use because they provide you with only three chits. And that's without accounting for the three Renegade Refits and Four Servomotor S Foils? Why? The box makes much, much more sense with three pilots, three S Foils and three Refits.

It's plausible that there might be some weird downside to the Renegade Refit, so they threw in a spare S foils cards because maybe there's a theoretical 4 X Wing squad... But I doubt it. And think about what they gave up to put that extra card in there - we don't have a Two Tubes crew card, or a K2-SO crew card - how amazing would a Bor Gullet crew card have been? Or, maybe they didn't want to design a new card. Fine: we could have gotten another Flight Assist or Integrated Astromech instead.

And on the flipside, the U Wing has two pilots and two chits. That makes no sense. Large bases take up more cardboard than just about anything else (except maybe some bomb tokens), and the designers have spoken in the past about how space on the cardboard is a limiting factor for them. Wasting that space to put a second large base chit in when you could fit both pilots on one is crazy, especially when you could use the saved space to add in the extra small base chits we would need if we were actually getting five PS1 X Wings.

Just to reiterate, two of those PS1 X Wing cards are literally useless. You will never have enough chits to play them all in one list, unless you buy a second pack, at which point you get more cards anyway. FFG has never released a useless card, and it makes no commercial sense for them to do so (why spend money printing it in the first place?).

Even from a basic game design viewpoint, this makes no sense. The U Wing is way way outside the competitive meta, and this will almost certainly be their one and only chance to fix it (does anyone really think we'll see a third U Wing release?). And, in that context, all they include for the ship is a zero point generic system and two pilots? Why? Why squander their only chance? Again, it makes no sense.

Maybe they had their reasons for not wanting a U Wing specific fix card (although this would be the first multi ship pack with a ship included that got no restricted upgrades for that ship), but choosing to put two literally completely useless X Wing pilots instead of taking another couple of cracks at fun and interesting U Wing pilots, despite their being no reason not to? (They have the cardboard space after all...)

It just won't happen.

So, why then do we have the image we have? I can think of two plausible reason. Possibility One is that it's a simple cock up. Definitely wouldn't be the first one we've seen - even this very image was wrong the first time they posted the article. But for that very reason I think this was intentional. They've had, and ignored, a chance to fix it. That strongly suggests that it looks exactly how they want it to look right now.

Possibility Two is that they are deliberately refusing to fully spoil the pack. Why would they do that? One possible reason I can think of is that it's for the same reason they haven't spoiled any scum stuff this wave, even though it's almost certainly coming: What if it's tied to Solo?

Here is my theory. The actual contents of the expansion pack will be all the X wing pilots they have displayed minus two of the PS1s. Those two pilot cards will instead be characters from Solo who will, during the movie, reveal that they have ties either to the rebellion generally, or to Saw specifically (Forest Whitaker cameo maybe?). Qi'Ra has been rumoured to have rebel ties, and another character helping her would make sense. The fourth copy of S Foils will be substituted for a crew card version of one of the pilots, again probably Qi'Ra.

Now, yes, that's... a pretty big set of assumptions off a fairly small evidence base. I get that. I also get that FFG have demonstrated in the past that they don't have much access before a new movie is released - they barely seem to know much more than us punters do. But there's a first time for everything, and I just can't see how this pack makes any sense otherwise.

Maybe I'm acting like a crazy conspiracy theorist. Or maybe this makes sense and I just haven't figured out how. If so, please, let me know.

I kind of hope not though, to be honest - the U Wing is so damned pretty, and it's a massive shame it never seems to see table time. If its only chance to get fixed resulted in nothing but a couple of new pilots, that would be a massive disappointment.

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Well, as the announcement is just a teaser , it is usual that the content is partly hidden. It is mostly revealed in the preview so, yeah, you are probably right. But this is not surprising at all.

Plus , over-interpreting the pictures is always tricky. remember when the U-wing had an X-wing cardboard ?

Yeah a lot of folks have been saying that we will actually get two more U-wing pilots (maybe K2-SO?). I'm not sure how they could fix the U-wing, unless renegade refit uses a torpedo slot to lower the cost. That could also make a 5 x-wing list possible without having 5 of the PS 1 pilots.

At first I was outraged about no K2-SO, but there's no way FFG would ignore the most (only) compelling Rebel character in Rogue One, and instead put Saw, the worst (worst) character of the movie behind the stick of the U-wing.

I think there will be 4 S-foils though, even if there are only 3 PS 1 pilots. 4 X-wings is a archetypal squadron from the earliest days of this game, and if the title includes a point subtraction as many have speculated, then that archetype will have a new lease on life. Wedge, Wes, 2 generics, for instance, seems like a list that should exist in this game but it currently has no points for astromechs.

I doubt they're waiting to reveal Solo tie-ins, because there's been no indication heretofore that they know anything more about the movies than the general public. My guess is they're trying to get this out before World's and due to the compressed time table they decided to get the hype started before they have a display worthy draft of the K2-SO and...(Jyn maybe?) U-wing pilots.

Please no Forrest Whittaker in Solo. Please.

2 hours ago, MacchuWA said:

FFG has never released a useless card

R3 Astromech begs to differ.

I mean, the Punishing One pack now comes with cards the ship can't use...

And LOTS of packs like this have had more of certain upgrade cards than the ships can physically take. The S-Foils and Renegade upgrades are fixes, they always put multiples of fix cards in so that people can put them on ships they already own.

But yes, it is odd that there are more of a certain pilot than there are chits right now. We shall see.

I'm about 80% sure that there will be two more U Wing pilots and 1 more different upgrade, which weren't in the original fan either because they weren't fully approved yet, or more likely, because they're still being tested and refined. Hopefully K2SO pilot and crew, and an elite generic.

1 hour ago, Sekac said:

At first I was outraged about no K2-SO, but there's no way FFG would ignore the most (only) compelling Rebel character in Rogue One, and instead put Saw, the worst (worst) character of the movie behind the stick of the U-wing.

I suspect it might be both; Saw does turn up in a U-wing's crew in Rebels.

3 hours ago, MacchuWA said:

Even from a basic game design viewpoint, this makes no sense. The U Wing is way way outside the competitive meta, and this will almost certainly be their one and only chance to fix it (does anyone really think we'll see a third U Wing release?). And, in that context, all they include for the ship is a zero point generic system and two pilots? Why? Why squander their only chance? Again, it makes no sense.

Maybe they had their reasons for not wanting a U Wing specific fix card (although this would be the first multi ship pack with a ship included that got no restricted upgrades for that ship), but choosing to put two literally completely useless X Wing pilots instead of taking another couple of cracks at fun and interesting U Wing pilots, despite their being no reason not to? (They have the cardboard space after all...)

Just to note:

• Whilst Servomotor S-Foils appears to be T-65 only, Rene(gade) Re(fit) is T-65 and something else Only because of the length of that first line of text. It's not unreasonable to assume it's for both the X-wing and the U-wing. A U-wing with a points discount and the ability to equip two modifications (as a large ship with half-decent agility, countermeasures is always tempting) is not a bad option.
• Thr(ust) Cor(rector) is another unspoiled card in the fan. We can't see the full text, but:
  • It has no limitations text line (so it's not restricted to a specific ship, and it's not a modification or title)
    • If it's not a modification or title, the most likely upgrade type for it to be is a systems upgrade, making it (at least within the scope this expansion) kit for a U-wing.
  • It appears to say 'when defending'.....'3 or fewer'.....'may receive'....'cancel all', which would imply a vaguely countdown-esque effect.

The problem with the “unspoiled/hidden/missing” K2-SO pilot/crew card is...why hide it?

K2-SO was in R1, there is little to no reason to keep that secret, and there is a huge fan-base, who would be all over themselves to get it - even if the ability sucked...

We could partly understand K2-SO was not in the first U-wing pack as Disney may have wanted to keep that secret, but now for the SECOND U-wing? NOWAY - we simply cannot understand it, so we make up all kinds of reasons to why he is in there.. but no, sadly he is not.

10 minutes ago, RedHotDice said:

The problem with the “unspoiled/hidden/missing” K2-SO pilot/crew card is...why hide it?

K2-SO was in R1, there is little to no reason to keep that secret, and there is a huge fan-base, who would be all over themselves to get it - even if the ability sucked...

We could partly understand K2-SO was not in the first U-wing pack as Disney may have wanted to keep that secret, but now for the SECOND U-wing? NOWAY - we simply cannot understand it, so we make up all kinds of reasons to why he is in there.. but no, sadly he is not.

Because it's not finished yet, or because it's not approved yet, as noted.

Are we sure that the images display all the cards in the pack?

I mean, there's potentially a lot of cards in this pack and I would think FFG cares about nice pictures without much clutter.

19 minutes ago, Aiwarikiar said:

Are we sure that the images display all the cards in the pack?

I mean, there's potentially a lot of cards in this pack and I would think FFG cares about nice pictures without much clutter.

Historically the images have always been accurate to the number of cards in the pack AFAIK (i.e. if there are 15 upgrades, they've always included 15 in the fan), but have occasionally changed the relative numbers of specific cards (i.e. reduced some and increased others, e.g. in the Mist Hunter they originally included 2 tractor beams but swapped one for something else I think it was) and IIRC there is precedent for cards not being included in the initial fan and it being updated later.

44 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Because it's not finished yet, or because it's not approved yet, as noted.

HEre's a question - in the past when FFG have posted an announcement article where some of the pilots and/or upgrades haven't been revealed, didn't they just show the backs of the cards?

If K2S0 comes to the game it won't be in this pack. This pack is heavily thematic, and K2S0 wasn't a Cavern Angel.

16 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

HEre's a question - in the past when FFG have posted an announcement article where some of the pilots and/or upgrades haven't been revealed, didn't they just show the backs of the cards?

It's varied in the past I think. I'm pretty sure I've seen both.

11 minutes ago, GreenLantern1138 said:

If K2S0 comes to the game it won't be in this pack. This pack is heavily thematic, and K2S0 wasn't a Cavern Angel.

Yup. Sadly, they chose to make up some X-wing and U-wing pilots when they had plenty of canon material.

The blunt, unsatisfying answer is that we don't know what the pack will contain. We've had weird card allotments (Only one Primed Thrusters in HotR?), we've had product spreads which don't show all of the cardboard (Including baseplates over in Armada), etc. I'm not saying stop speculating, of course, but discarding possibilities seems to be setting yourself up for disappointment and/or I told you so's.

When I was a wee lad, in the day before the internets, products were either at the store for purchase, or you had no idea they existed.

We were happy. Angst free. And only used tin foil to wrap our potatoes to take to school.

8 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

When I was a wee lad, in the day before the internets, products were either at the store for purchase, or you had no idea they existed.

We were happy. Angst free. And only used tin foil to wrap our potatoes to take to school.

Luxury. WHen I were a lad we had to carry our hot baked potatoes in our BARE HANDS. Uphill. Both ways.

8 hours ago, MacchuWA said:

FFG has never released a useless card

Saturation Salvo? Flight Instructor? The Quadjumper?

2 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

The Quadjumper?

This ship is a shitload of fun to play. So under the competitive curve, yeah, but useless? **** no !

Look at the tokens. One focus. One stress. One critical damage. I’m pretty sure there’s two ships in this set. Maybe they are counting on the core set to cover the gap, I dunno. 40 dollar boxes have a ton of cardboard in them and sure the contents will not exactly match what we see. Remember, in the initial release of the article the U-wing was sitting on a LARGE BASE X-wing ship token.

2 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

Saturation Salvo? Flight Instructor? The Quadjumper?

FFG has never released* a set which contained a card which couldn't be equipped by (one of) the ship(s) in that set. That wasn't a commonet on viability in play.

*The Punishing One now does include such cards, but didn't at release.