Hello everyone. I have been trying to figure out if Stick to the Plan works with Lola Hayes. Stick to the Plan triggers before you draw. Lola does not pick a role until after she draws.

1) Does this mean Stick to the Plan is incompatible with Lola, ie fails to activate?

2) Cards attached to Stick to the Plan count as in Play?

3) Playing a card causes Stick to the Plan to be exhausted, but it is not an triggered ability.

I am thinking 1) it fails, 2) the cards count as in play, and 3) you don't need a guardian role to play cards attached to Stick to the Plan, but with Lola you would never have any cards attached to it anyway.

Anyone have any thoughts?

I was hoping to use that card to trim her large deck down a bit.

I am thinking it is

1. Stick to the Plan is incompatible with Lola. You could spend XP on it but other than draining 6 xp from you it can do nothing, not even slim your deck.

Also I would definitely say that cards attached to Stick to the Plan are not in play.

1 hour ago, awp832 said:

I am thinking it is

1. Stick to the Plan is incompatible with Lola. You could spend XP on it but other than draining 6 xp from you it can do nothing, not even slim your deck.

Also I would definitely say that cards attached to Stick to the Plan are not in play.

I agree.

6 hours ago, awp832 said:

I am thinking it is

1. Stick to the Plan is incompatible with Lola. You could spend XP on it but other than draining 6 xp from you it can do nothing, not even slim your deck.

Also I would definitely say that cards attached to Stick to the Plan are not in play.

I agree that Stick to the Plan is incompatible with Lola, since she is not in the Guardian role when opening hands are drawn she cannot activate the reaction trigger on the card.

However, I think that cards attached to Stick to the Plan are in play. According to the card text "cards attached to Stick to the Plan may be played as if they were in your hand". This only refers to how they interact with the Play action, it does not say to treat the attached cards as if they were in your hand. Therefore, I'd say that since the attached cards are (1) controlled by you and (2) in your play area they meet all the requirements for being in play (as per the In Play and Out of Play entry in the Rules Reference).

3 hours ago, Assussanni said:

I agree that Stick to the Plan is incompatible with Lola, since she is not in the Guardian role when opening hands are drawn she cannot activate the reaction trigger on the card.

However, I think that cards attached to Stick to the Plan are in play. According to the card text "cards attached to Stick to the Plan may be played as if they were in your hand". This only refers to how they interact with the Play action, it does not say to treat the attached cards as if they were in your hand. Therefore, I'd say that since the attached cards are (1) controlled by you and (2) in your play area they meet all the requirements for being in play (as per the In Play and Out of Play entry in the Rules Reference).

Also, "Attach To" in the RR refers to attachments with the phrases "as it enters play" and "once in play".

Maybe I am missing something, but what are implications of these cards being in play? (outside of Lola's weakness which is not relevant here anyhow)

I can think of general implications, but nothing specific.

Also, I get that Sefina has you place events under her, but what is the difference here?

4 hours ago, Jobu said:

Maybe I am missing something, but what are implications of these cards being in play? (outside of Lola's weakness which is not relevant here anyhow)

I can think of general implications, but nothing specific.

Also, I get that Sefina has you place events under her, but what is the difference here?

To be clear, I don't think this is the intention of SttP -- it simply doesn't make sense. But by the letter of the law (and here, too, I might be missing something), saying that it's "attached" suggests that it is. If that's right (and again, I don't think it's the intention), then any Asset attached to it would be fully functional -- abilities could be used, Uses should be put on them (this happens when an asset enters play), they would take up slots ("Each asset in an investigator's play area or threat area with a slot symbol is held in a slot of that type."), etc. Never mind, it only takes events.

By contrast, Sefina's card does not say to "attach" the cards. It just says to place them beneath her.

The only implication I can think of is that SttP cards could be sacrificed if a card in play had to be discarded. And even those treacheries, I think, all specify assets.

Only events can be attached to sttp though.

1 minute ago, DarkFate said:

Only events can be attached to sttp though.

Yeah, I got that after I scribed my essay.

I think the cards actually MUST be considered in play. Stick to the Plan doesn't say anything about interacting with out-of-play cards, so if they weren't you couldn't play them.

I can't think of any cases where it matters either though.

So sad for Lola, i think it would be great for her without to be broken and it would give her some interesting interactions with some Tactics from different classes.

8 hours ago, Cyiel said:

So sad for Lola, i think it would be great for her without to be broken and it would give her some intersting interactions with some Tactics from different classes.

Yeah, I think it would really help to trim her deck size while picking a few tactics from her non-primary colors.