Thoughts on why people play unpainted

By Nohwear, in Star Wars: Legion

I suppose to answer the question.

Some people just can't be f'ck'd! Or CBF

Put it down to one word - passion. If you don't have that much passion for a game it may just be a case of CBF!

My wallet LOVES this game is unpainted... me not so much

Im scared that after painting my stormtroopers dark grey with cool accents, people will make more noise on how they should be white and black and how my models ruin immersion and how it would be better if I just primed them .

50 minutes ago, spacelion said:

Im scared that after painting my stormtroopers dark grey with cool accents, people will make more noise on how they should be white and black and how my models ruin immersion and how it would be better if I just primed them .

They are your models, paint them however you want. Painted is always better than unpainted. **** Disney took the normal storm trooper and painted them in black for rogue one cause white troopers are boring.

The reality is, if you make them look cool, people will respond to them positively and there is a lot to be said about not having all the troopers look the same. Clears up confusion and people won't run off with one of your models by mistake. In fact, having the different squads look different by some small measure is a good thing so you can have two trooper units exist next to each other without confusing the game peices.

5 hours ago, spacelion said:

Im scared that after painting my stormtroopers dark grey with cool accents, people will make more noise on how they should be white and black and how my models ruin immersion and how it would be better if I just primed them .

That is just nonsense. If you are worried, have a scheme that fits into the universe (dark grey + accent colours 100% fits, things like full pink might be jarring to some people) and have something ready as to why these deviate from the standard. The easiest way is to say that your army is a post Endor force and the local moff wanted something different. That creates some weirdness with Vader, but he could always just be mythical. Other options are planetary garrisons that adjusted to the environment (remember, most troopers we see in the movies are stationed on Star Destroyers or the Death Star, there are millions of planets we will never see) or are on a high ranking imperial planet that has the honour of introducing some individual elements into their stormtroopers appearance. Finally these could be prototype armour that represents a minor upgrade and is coloured differently because it is not final.

It is your models and you can and should do exactly what you want with them, but try to tie them into the universe. It will be much more statisfying for you to be able to look at your army and not just have a unique look, but also a story to go with it, and your fellow players will appreciate it.

Anyone who throws a **** fit because your models are painted weird is a ***** and, as such, should be disregarded.

I thought of painting Novatroopers , it would be a lazier paint job than normal though

Paint him up as a Force Ghost Vader.

Honestly i am way too scared to mess them up. I would love to pait some of my minis but i don't trust myself to achieve a decent result.

I play painted.

As a commission painter - and as a volunteer painting teacher - it behooves me to demonstrate best, worst, and achievable by anyone...

if youre an adult or a perfectionist or both you likely dont have time.

i looove painting miniatures(and im good at it) and tried to get into warhammer. After realising that my army would be over 60 miniatures, i did the math, and to paint at the quality i like that was going to take over a hundred hours. thats an absurd time sink for already having invested a large sum of money.

games can cost time or money to play, but not a ton of both. never mind that legion is selling the imperial assault minis a second time

On 3/1/2018 at 12:49 AM, spacelion said:

Im scared that after painting my stormtroopers dark grey with cool accents, people will make more noise on how they should be white and black and how my models ruin immersion and how it would be better if I just primed them .

screw that. if they want to control your minis they should buy them for you

12 hours ago, Reaver027 said:

Honestly i am way too scared to mess them up. I would love to pait some of my minis but i don't trust myself to achieve a decent result.

If you use acrylic colours and GW primer (which actually isn't a proper primer, rather a base-spray, not a downside here!) there is no way to mess figures up. Every colour can be removed using IPA without damaging the vinyl at all. I've had minies in that stuff for weeks without any change to the plastic.

So have a go (especially if you like the idea of painting), do some minies and enjoy building a new skill. Early improvement comes so swift as a painter that it is a real joy, just keep your eyes open for good advice (it is a skill you can pick up well on video) and never be afraid to ask any questions. Once you've build your skill, go back to miniatures you aren't happy with (except maybe your first as a reminder from where you've come) and redo them.

16 hours ago, Reaver027 said:

Honestly i am way too scared to mess them up. I would love to pait some of my minis but i don't trust myself to achieve a decent result.

Even just priming Stormtroopers white and Rebels some non-grey plastic colour would be a vast improvement over fielding unpainted minis.

Grey plastic looks like garbage.

5 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

if youre an adult or a perfectionist or both you likely dont have time.

This is 100% not true. Getting a painted army on the table is just about economizing time.

Be realistic about how much time you can invest and work out a scheme that falls within that limitation. There's also a belief that fast = bad. Painting quickly isn't about painting badly, it's about doing triage on your painting process, trimming things that are irrelevant or add nothing meaningful to the final result and speeding up time consuming parts of the process like basecoating.

I've had people show me models and proclaim it took them 3 weeks to paint it and all I could think was "I'm so sorry about your 20 day coma, because that's the only way that model could take 3 weeks to paint".

I'm an adult with 40+ hr a week job and borderline OCD when it comes to painting and I should be done with all my Legion models in a week.

Edited by MasterShake2

People don't have miniatures painted because they don't want to spend time painting (or money), that's all. They love playing but in order to play you don't need to paint.

Agreed with Mastershake. Plus nothing says you need to hit the ground running with a fully painted army to begin with. I am both a married adult with two jobs, full time and one weekend a month, and a perfectionist painter. My rule for me is try and get as much base color as possible on them. A new marine army I am playing this weekend has a total of 1 fully painted marine, the scheme test model. All of the sergeants and officers are mostly painted in order to differentiate them from the squad guys at a quick glance. Everyone one else is primered white(its a white space marine army) with a shade applied and about 3/4 are drybrushed. All the vehicles are primered. This is unacceptable to me but I am pushing for time before a deployment so I don't have the time to get more done amidst everything important that needs to be done for the real world. Next week the plan is simply to finish dry brushing, adding shade and drybrush to the vehicles figuring out a list for a small 1500 point game for a campaign and at least three coloring the models in that list. Dry brushing and shading even thirtyish models will take about ten minutes so no biggie, I can probably do it before the gym in the morning while trying to wake up.

Again, I am a perfectionist, the rest of the army will slowly be painted past 3 color over time, one squad or so at a time adding details. No one expects a fully painted army at the get go for normal games. At a tourney, yes I would expect to not play against a grey legion assuming tournament players have a bit more pride in themselves to show up with an unpainted army. But normal pick up games and escalation leagues, as long as it looks like someone is trying to get there however slowly.

I painted some (about 10) wh40k models before assembling them, and it took me ONE DAY(!) per model... Not to mention that fixing it together was real pain in the a s s...

im glad that to have playable Legion army i dont need more than about 20-40 models.

But before i put some pait on plastic i want to play the game same day i will pay for it... ;)

To answer the original post:

Some people don’t care about aesthetics and just want to play the game

Some people don’t enjoy painting (or don’t have time to paint) etc and want to play the game - they could pay someone but don’t have the money

Some people feel there skills aren’t good enough to even make the attempt to paint (for whatever reason) - again re commison and money

Whatever people enjoy is fine. Each to their own. :-)

Personally I plan to have a kick **** gaming table that looks amazing with awesomely painted figures on. I will enjoy the game much more that way. But may not play a game until June that way :-(

8 hours ago, MasterShake2 said:

This is 100% not true. Getting a painted army on the table is just about economizing time.

Be realistic about how much time you can invest and work out a scheme that falls within that limitation. There's also a belief that fast = bad. Painting quickly isn't about painting badly, it's about doing triage on your painting process, trimming things that are irrelevant or add nothing meaningful to the final result and speeding up time consuming parts of the process like basecoating.

I've had people show me models and proclaim it took them 3 weeks to paint it and all I could think was "I'm so sorry about your 20 day coma, because that's the only way that model could take 3 weeks to paint".

I'm an adult with 40+ hr a week job and borderline OCD when it comes to painting and I should be done with all my Legion models in a week.

most adults only have a few hours a week to do game stuff, which often includes playing. if a mini takes you 1 hour to paint well and you need to paint 30, thats gonna take most people a month.

even if it took you 30 minutes per a mini thats a serious time investment.

it also costs a lot of money, sometimes hundreds of dollars, to get good paints and brushes. insulting people for not having the time or money to paint is not great

On 2/28/2018 at 9:49 PM, spacelion said:

Im scared that after painting my stormtroopers dark grey with cool accents, people will make more noise on how they should be white and black and how my models ruin immersion and how it would be better if I just primed them .

I don't do anything "canon standard" and repainted all my X-wing ships using a black/purple/grey/silver/green color pallette.

i sat down with some IA stormtroopers this weekend to do some VERY rough proof of concept paint schemes for Legion. I think I'm gonna go with the camo looking one, and screw what everyone else says.

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@Shokupanman Looks good! You won't have to worry about having trouble telling which units are yours in a mirror match or when cleaning up! I would suggest thinking of a way to make Death Troopers stand out should they be added. Red as a spot color instead of purple instead? It's a far off issue, but something worth spending a couple minutes thing about in my opinion.

17 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

@Shokupanman Looks good! You won't have to worry about having trouble telling which units are yours in a mirror match or when cleaning up! I would suggest thinking of a way to make Death Troopers stand out should they be added. Red as a spot color instead of purple instead? It's a far off issue, but something worth spending a couple minutes thing about in my opinion.

That's my one worry with the green eyes, was confusing them for Death Troopers when they come out. I might go red with them for the standard Stormtroopers.

But, my Death Troopers will probably use the right hand side concept and a gloss black.

Just now, Shokupanman said:

That's my one worry with the green eyes, was confusing them for Death Troopers when they come out. I might go red with them for the standard Stormtroopers.

But, my Death Troopers will probably use the right hand side concept and a gloss black.

I could see that, and the Camo vs not Camo is a good way to tell them apart.