1 minute ago, Caimheul1313 said:

And if you don't like the sheen after washing, a quick brush/spray of a matte varnish will take the shine off and protect your paint job. For places you want a sheen, use a gloss varnish.

Or you can apply a gloss over a mat for the same effect. Which allows you to spray the mat and paint on the gloss.

Just now, Amanal said:

Or you can apply a gloss over a mat for the same effect. Which allows you to spray the mat and paint on the gloss.

In addition to providing even MORE protection!

I prefer to brush all of them on personally, partially as the weather near me doesn't really cooperate with outdoor spraying, and my house doesn't really have a good place to spray indoors.

2 hours ago, Derrault said:

Nothing, and it certainly would be better if they were prepainted to look as they do in the advertising. No different than the way X-wing comes prepainted (nothing inherent in that prevents art afficianados from repainting)

It’s disheartening to see how many comments there have been in the run-up from 40k snobs who only enjoy painting minis, but have little to no interest in the fact it’s a Game first and a painting exercise second.

Man, you are just making all the friends on this forum. First we don't have any comprehensive reading ability, and now we are 40k snobs?

I've been on the Legion forums since the beginning. The vast majority of the people excited to play Legion are new to the war gaming hobby, myself included. It would be great if you could stop generalizing us, especially since we are all going to be playing the game despite any differences we have.

Just paint them yourself. If they turn out bad, then they’ll be just like mine. There are many who have never picked up a brush before, myself included.

“You have to start somewhere” - Orson Krennic

23 minutes ago, Jabby said:

Just paint them yourself. If they turn out bad, then they’ll be just like mine. There are many who have never picked up a brush before, myself included.

“You have to start somewhere” - Orson Krennic

We will all have ugly minis!

2 hours ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

It's not that difficult to understand. Painting and terrain building. There is even a section in the learn to play about it .

I realize that maybe you just don't know much about miniature games. Most successful miniature games and board games that use minis do not use prepainted miniatures. Some examples: 40k, Warhammer, bolt action, infinity, flames of war, blood rage, rising sun, zombicide, descent, imperial assault... Most of the market.

So call it miniature war gaming next time instead of trying to invent a new term. It’s not confusing at all when you use normative terms.

2 hours ago, Basylle said:

I've never played a miniature wargame in my life. (I've played X-Wing, but let's agree that's different.) The first thing I did when I heard about this game was to go out and by a few IA miniatures, a half-dozen paints and a brush. I decided it was worth a small investment to find out if I "could stomach" the painting before I got into this game. Turns out I really liked it and I'm now more interested in the painting than the game - which I am still really excited about.

Now that may not be the way you feel about it and that's fine. But that is what this game is. If this is not the game you're looking for, I hope you find one that works out better for you. But there is definitely a group of people that are very excited for the market that Legion hits. And we're most certainly not all "40k snobs."

I don’t have a problem painting, and I enjoy making terrain.

I do find it dispiriting to see the lunatics who come out of the woodwork to disparage those who don’t have the talent or share interest in those things, but just want to enjoy a good game.

I wasn’t even referencing these forums but the comments on YouTube unboxing, which contain a disturbing level of toxicity by the aforementioned snobs (and yes, it’s absolute height of snobbery to tell someone they should either learn to paint or hire someone to paint for them because yadda yadda yadda).

1 hour ago, Orcdruid said:

Not everybody in opposition to the OP is a "40k snob" some of us just don't have the budget(or the want) to pay twice as much for **** paint jobs.

Unless you’re an FFG employee willing to pass over the cost sheets for manufacturing fully colorized plastic miniatures...We don’t have any metric for determining what additional cost would exist at the scale indicated.

Absent that, telling the OP that they should ‘learn to paint or maybe just not play the game at all’ is telling them that they don’t belong. So yeah, those people are snobs. If you aren’t saying such a thing, then I don’t know why you’d care?

1 hour ago, Amanal said:

Like IA the choice on painting or not will be given to the players. As such there are three choices, paint them, get them painted or don't paint them.

I am a 40k snob , but for me the driver is that I am quite intolerant to the visual differences between models and therefore find that unpainted models often "hide details" that can be important. In many miniatures games the unpainted armies often create a degree of sameness and those small differences about who has what gun can be hard to distinguish. At 4-5' an unpainted plasma pistol looks like any other unpainted pistol. I found this also to be a factor in Flames of War as a player, you could hide important bits of information in a sea of gray.

The models look pretty nice unpainted and for the most part quite distinct on the table. The unit cards and upgrade cards, which in time you learn to recognise the art work from across the table also provide a lot of information that also assists in planning moves and looking at possible problems to your actions.

The original post asks why unpainted, and I think the correct reply is, because it would make the miniatures unreasonably expensive to everyone and thus limit the appeal of the game to a fairly small market.

Having seen the models, that shouldn’t be an issue here, the SW weaponry is quite distinct as compared to the warhammer equipment.

58 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

Man, you are just making all the friends on this forum. First we don't have any comprehensive reading ability, and now we are 40k snobs?

I've been on the Legion forums since the beginning. The vast majority of the people excited to play Legion are new to the war gaming hobby, myself included. It would be great if you could stop generalizing us, especially since we are all going to be playing the game despite any differences we have.

If you’re new to it and not someone who was posting on YouTube videos telling non-painters to not bother, then I must not have been talking about you.

It is weird to attack me for defending new players who don’t have the inclination to paint, but do have the inclination to play. Which would you rather have, a player base or a painter base? For me, the answer is simple. A player base is plainly superior to a painter base.

11 hours ago, Jimbo2142 said:

Hello guys

after some posts in the Armada-Subforum a few years ago I think its time to get active again. Star Wars Legion seems to be the miniatures game, I was dreaming about for my whole life - and this dream now becomes true. But, as one of the biggest fools in miniatures painting alive, Im facing a real big problem.... should I desecrate this gorgeous models with my foolish, ****-looking paintings?

Why is Legion unpainted?

Of course I see the point that it would be unaffordable and really difficult to produce detailed and painted miniatures in a necessary quantity.... BUT I'd definitely pay a huge amount of money to have that Legion Game painted and ready2play. And I dont think Im alone with this..

Regards

Jimbo

I actually don't really plan on panting legion. I may get around to it, but it is certainly not a priority. Most of my paints are fantasy theme and wont work well for starwars. I want to play first paint second.

Pay someone to paint your minis for you!

This way, the game is more affordable and those who like painting can do it for themselves.

3 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

One thing I have found with painting of miniatures is that it can be a very relaxing way to spend an evening. Find some movie/TV show/podcast/music/audio book/etc. to put on, and settle in with a couple of brushes, a cup or two of water (make sure any beverages are clearly marked, paint water is not the best for one's health), paints, and start putting brush to miniature. It's a great way to get extra enjoyment out of the game for times you can't find an opponent for one reason or another.

Do you need to do that absolute best paint job? No, just do your best, and a good wash hides many sins. It's amazing how much painting can improve over time.

The benefit to unpainted miniatures is that everyone's army will probably end up looking slightly different depending on paint choices. Plus, vehicles can be a ton of fun to customize with decals, stencils, or for the truly adventurous, freehand . Don't want to paint? Fine, just glue the minis together and play. So far no one has seriously said "You HAVE to paint your minis if you want to play Legion. Otherwise FFG will come to your LFG and take your minis away because you aren't playing their game right!"

One time I did not look and picked up my cup of rubbing Alcohol I was using to clean my brushes, took a swig thinking it was my Coke. Lost my voice for about a day and had trouble talking for the rest of the week.

The point is: Its Star Wars .

Normally I would just start trying to paint them by myself and be satisfied with my semi-good results like years back with my Flames of War stuff. Or just leave it in that plastic-grey sprew color. Same for terrain building... But terrain is a different topic, FFG couldnt ever help me out with that.

But ladies and gentlemen its Star Wars! Its not that typical ww2 wargaming where we got a 20mm M4 Sherman Tank I could leave in that US olive darb color with my white star decal on it. We got Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, AT-STs, Stormtroopers.... The key is I want them 120% awesome looking as it should be. And, just for an example, this is one of the reasons Im playing FFGs Star Wars: Armada so often - its a brilliantly looking Star Wars game out of the box .

Thank you guys for your suggestions to bring it to a professional painter. It seems to be the best solution for me now. Lets see how many options in that I got here in central europe.

Regards

Jimbo

Central Europe? Lots, and in reasonable prices.

Buy a prepainted set from ebay.

8 hours ago, Derrault said:

It is weird to attack me for defending new players who don’t have the inclination to paint, but do have the inclination to play. Which would you rather have, a player base or a painter base? For me, the answer is simple. A player base is plainly superior to a painter base.

It's weird for you to accuse people you don't know of being 40k snobs when the majority of the community does not play 40k. If you would have known that you'd have the answer to your question - we are a player base getting into the war gaming hobby. Most of us have no experience building terrain or painting minis. Where are these 40k elitists you speak of?

The following is a bit of a rant. If you do not like to look at an opponent's unpainted army, put up or shut up. There are plenty of people who are terrible at painting and lack the funds to pay a painter. Unless you are willing to teach or paint their minis for cost or less, then please do not give a player grief for playing unpainted. It is gatekeeping. Thank you for putting up with that.

1 hour ago, Undeadguy said:

It's weird for you to accuse people you don't know of being 40k snobs when the majority of the community does not play 40k. If you would have known that you'd have the answer to your question - we are a player base getting into the war gaming hobby. Most of us have no experience building terrain or painting minis. Where are these 40k elitists you speak of?

YouTube. I wrote it several times.

Your obsessive need to defend bullies is shameful and appalling.

12 hours ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

It's not that difficult to understand. Painting and terrain building. There is even a section in the learn to play about it .

I realize that maybe you just don't know much about miniature games. Most successful miniature games and board games that use minis do not use prepainted miniatures. Some examples: 40k, Warhammer, bolt action, infinity, flames of war, blood rage, rising sun, zombicide, descent, imperial assault... Most of the market.

Hail Caeser.

1 hour ago, Nohwear said:

The following is a bit of a rant. If you do not like to look at an opponent's unpainted army, put up or shut up. There are plenty of people who are terrible at painting and lack the funds to pay a painter. Unless you are willing to teach or paint their minis for cost or less, then please do not give a player grief for playing unpainted. It is gatekeeping. Thank you for putting up with that.

I teach for less than cost.

... the whole experience is filled with patches of exceedingly heart felt thanks for Which there is an almost impossibility to legitimately thank ........ and vast gulfs of deserts of indifference with spikes of derision.

Its a mixed bag to say the least.

21 minutes ago, Derrault said:

YouTube. I wrote it several times.

Your obsessive need to defend bullies is shameful and appalling.

Are you serious? You came here to complain about YouTube comments, insult everyone who commented before you because you didn't provide any context in your first post, and then accuse me of defending bullies?

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Nothing, and it certainly would be better if they were prepainted to look as they do in the advertising. No different than the way X-wing comes prepainted (nothing inherent in that prevents art afficianados from repainting)

It’s disheartening to see how many comments there have been in the run-up from 40k snobs who only enjoy painting minis, but have little to no interest in the fact it’s a Game first and a painting exercise second.

And you only said YouTube twice AFTER you insulted us.

Tell me, where are the bullies in this thread? People said to either commission a painter or learn to paint like the rest of us.

6 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

I teach for less than cost.

... the whole experience is filled with patches of exceedingly heart felt thanks for Which there is an almost impossibility to legitimately thank ........ and vast gulfs of deserts of indifference with spikes of derision.

Its a mixed bag to say the least.

I do not know why, but unfortunately it seems that I am having trouble understanding your point. Please clarify for me.

“Unless you are willing to teach or paint their minis for cost or less...”

I am saying I do that.

And most people either ignore me or abuse me.

(There are some who thank profusely, and I thank them in return)

and be in the end, I don’t get to eat...

Painting is a barrier to some. It shouldn’t be, anyone can do it given a modicum of time and inclination, I believe...

but in the end, it’s up to the individual, if they want to try it.

You can’t force it on someone, and yet, suggesting someone just “get over it” and offer services that takes their time and energy and passion ... at the cost of eating ... also rubs me the wrong way.

I suppose that you do have a point, and I was likely a bit harsh. The main point was a challenge to be the solution instead of just complaining, and possibly driving people away. I do apologize for that which I have done wrong.

24 minutes ago, Nohwear said:

I suppose that you do have a point, and I was likely a bit harsh. The main point was a challenge to be the solution instead of just complaining, and possibly driving people away. I do apologize for that which I have done wrong.

I can't speak for everyone's experiences, but painting bullies on Youtube are the exception rather than the rule in my experience- I never got complaints about the very limited coat of paint the majority my Space Wolves got over several years of playing 40k.

Yah don't let people bully you into Painting your army. They have different coloured bases for a reason. What matters is how your play. Nothing is more frustrating than loosing to an unpainted army ;). It will drive them nuts.

2 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

“Unless you are willing to teach or paint their minis for cost or less...”

I am saying I do that.

And most people either ignore me or abuse me.

(There are some who thank profusely, and I thank them in return)

and be in the end, I don’t get to eat...

Painting is a barrier to some. It shouldn’t be, anyone can do it given a modicum of time and inclination, I believe...

but in the end, it’s up to the individual, if they want to try it.

You can’t force it on someone, and yet, suggesting someone just “get over it” and offer services that takes their time and energy and passion ... at the cost of eating ... also rubs me the wrong way.

I know that I likely wouldn't have started really trying to paint normal miniatures before but then Sorastro put up his videos and showed how easy it could be. Now I really enjoy doing the painting and even have done a little bit of commission work. I'm not the best out there but I think that if people give it a shot they might like it and find the bit of pride you get from sitting back and looking at your completed work.