..cause the new crew and system in the pack, aint gonna cut it. No matter what combo I come up with, it is just better on any other ship than an U-wing.

Even if the supposed “Renegade” upgrade works for U-wings too. Is that even good? 2 Mods on a large ship? Even with a 1pt discount.. I just dont see it.

Hold your horses there, friend!

We still haven't seen the second sentence, cost, or slot for Renengade Refit. We assume it's a torp, because that's the only non-mod/title that U-Wings and X-Wings share, but we still don't know the cost, how many more mods it gives, what the second sentence does, or what the unique U-Wing pilots are!

Actually two mods on a huge ship aren't terrible. Put both anti-pursuit lasers and ion projector on Heff for a super blocker.

Auzzie will always beat the U unless renegade refit or the new pilot abilities are bonkers good

6 months from now the podcasts will all be laughing at the Polish meta full of u-Wings

3 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Auzzie will always beat the U unless renegade refit or the new pilot abilities are bonkers good

Yeah, Barring a palpatine-level large ship only crew, the U-wing needs something truly amazing to compete with a 180 degree arc, superior dial, small base, and of course reinforce.

Not only the uwing, but there better be a LOT for the xwing too.

I mean, look how much the k fighter got. A couple free mod slots, -1 to EVERY upgrade, and... its still way, way below the curve.

To compete with turrets and alphas, jousters have to be CRAZY aggressively costed.

I mean, forget competing with the Azituck, the U-Wing is just bad. Arc locked ship, only hard turn is a 2, has to telegraph when it's going to pseudo k-turn and even when it does it's wonky and hard to fully utilize. Even in a competition with nothing, it struggles. 0/10 would leave on Jetta to get nuked.

6 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Auzzie will always beat the U unless renegade refit or the new pilot abilities are bonkers good

Precisely.

1 hour ago, MasterShake2 said:

I mean, forget competing with the Azituck, the U-Wing is just bad. Arc locked ship, only hard turn is a 2, has to telegraph when it's going to pseudo k-turn and even when it does it's wonky and hard to fully utilize. Even in a competition with nothing, it struggles. 0/10 would leave on Jetta to get nuked.

Truth.

Atm, my interest in this pack is for the help the x-wing is going go get, but

2 hours ago, Kdubb said:

Not only the uwing, but there better be a LOT for the xwing too.

I mean, look how much the k fighter got. A couple free mod slots, -1 to EVERY upgrade, and... its still way, way below the curve.

To compete with turrets and alphas, jousters have to be CRAZY aggressively costed.

..also this.

Also, not particular loving the paintjob on the minis in this pack...sorry had to be honest. And you are entitled to you own/different opinion.

Right now my interest lies soley in the “Saw” crew card... so unless something serious happens, this will be the first pack I might just get a card on Ebay.

6 hours ago, Wiredin said:

6 months from now the podcasts will all be laughing at the Polish meta full of u-Wings

There is alway hope

The U-Wing doesn't really need a "fix" per say, though if they want to reword when you can pop Pivot Wing to make it a little less telegraphed that would help, but even the Auzituck doesn't really bring "killer app" crew, it's just also a ship with 2 crew slots and it has good offense potential to utilize them. And then Reinforce is kind of a ***** in 100/8. If I'm remembering my math right, since you can't 180 in an Auzituck either, 2 AGI and 8 HP (just using +1 AGI on Pivot Wing) is slightly better than 1 AGI and 9 HP (barring the Reinforce again, which has issues but a lot of people have complained about it, so it's possible something might happen to counter it or alter it).

But from the original batch of U-Wing pilots, it's not a fighty ship, it's a blocky-support ship, like the Lambda (seriously, several pilots even have similar abilities. Bodhi attempts to make Target Locks easier, Cassian heals stress which combos well with Inspiring Recruit), while the Auzituck is just a tank. A primary problem is that there is no Palpatine-tier crew card for Rebels, nor do their highest rated pilots necessarily need such support coverage. A lot of Rebel strats seem to involve running 2-3 fairly self-sufficient ships and then forcing your opponent to only work on one at a time while you kick their butt from both ends. We'll have to see if maybe the new pilots make the U-Wing push towards that direction, or if crew elements maybe give it some more wiggle room to provide support people want for Rebel ships. Otherwise the U-Wing will probably lurk on the edge of busting out, just waiting for the time for people to go "If only I had a Rebel Lambda, oh wait I do" (only it can 2↱ twice in a row).

Reinforce + 1 green dice is strictly better than 2 green with no mods, and is a direct counter to focus fire. But as others have mentioned, there is presently nothing the U-wing brings to the table that the Azituck does not do better - thats the problem.

Also It is a terrible blocker, just compare it to the Contracted scout, it has a terrible dial, no barrelroll (!!), and no turret.

True with Hera you can “park it” and let it stay there... but that is more of an artillery function, but just with poor fire power. And a sitting duck, that can be attacked from a different angle.

If I remember right, some of the same comments were made regarding the Scurrg bomber and the Auzituk before they were actually released.

Rather than being doom and gloom fortunetellers, how about some optimism?

What if the title was -3 pts, gave the U-wing the reinforce action and added white 3 sloops??

U-Wing is a point cheaper than the Auzituck, there's something it does better. It's also as fast if not faster, thanks Large Base (though admittedly, this does prevent VT). But in general I think it's different ships doing different things, the U-Wing just needs more options to do those things. Depending on what the pilots do, combined with new crew options, solid strats may emerge with the U-Wing.

5 hours ago, Mu0n729 said:

What if the title was -3 pts, gave the U-wing the reinforce action and added white 3 sloops??

Addin a 180-firing arc and barrel roll action - then we are golden.

If its a torpedo slot fix then we might see E/Y/B-wings back on the table....

8 hours ago, UnitOmega said:

U-Wing is a point cheaper than the Auzituck, there's something it does better. It's also as fast if not faster, thanks Large Base (though admittedly, this does prevent VT). But in general I think it's different ships doing different things, the U-Wing just needs more options to do those things. Depending on what the pilots do, combined with new crew options, solid strats may emerge with the U-Wing.

Being a point cheaper is nowhere near enough of a trade-off for everything the auzzie sports over it

Now yes, the uwing is a more support craft. Problem is it's support is weak as **** and never worth bringing a basically clunkier Bwing to the table. Any support crew is better off on the auzzie, and Low will ALWAYS be superior support to anything the U pilots sport

Low and the sh*tapeede are our new benchmarks for "viable support ship". Anything less is not going to cut it, so Saw has a LOT to deliver on

The U doesn't do anything different, or really much of anything since the U doesn't have ANY built-in support mechanics that matter in the slightest. it needs a fix.

Just quietly who said it was for both? Pretty sure " and u wing only" isn't going to fit on the rest of that top line.... although i could be wrong

50 minutes ago, Ralgon said:

Just quietly who said it was for both? Pretty sure " and u wing only" isn't going to fit on the rest of that top line.... although i could be wrong

Renegade refit has more text at the top line than Servo motor S-foils. It's not clear if the extra text is "Title." Or "And U-wing". In the latter case, Renegade Refit would most likely be a torpedo like Chardan Refit.

14 hours ago, UnitOmega said:

The U-Wing doesn't really need a "fix" per say, though if they want to reword when you can pop Pivot Wing to make it a little less telegraphed that would help

This. I have been saying for awhile that a change in the title is needed and might actually make the ship playable. Something like:

Side A (Attack): Increase your agility by 1.

After you execute a maneuver At the start of the Activation Phase, you may flip this card.

Side B (Landing): When you reveal a (0 ) maneuver, you may rotate your ship 180°.

After you execute a maneuver At the start of the Activation Phase, you may flip this card.

Maybe the errata to the title is in the new pack.

You mean like the TIE Bomber fix?

54 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

You mean like the TIE Bomber fix?

hey, hey, hey... gamma's and tomax saw 5 minutes of relevance....

U-wing could use those door gunners.

if the u-wing had 2 agility all the time and could 180 all the time (so both sides of pivot wing simultaneously) it might be good.

the dial and action bar are both bad and FFG doesnt seem to like changing those. the pilot abilities are also all bad, or maybe just lack required support synergy to earn their points. its got 3 attack which is good, but cant reliably line shots up... it just needs to cost less or do more.

maybe if it had a pilot who buffed every friendy ship in arc like etan abaht or gave proper buffs like a Hawk 290. guess we'll see

14 hours ago, Ralgon said:

hey, hey, hey... gamma's and tomax saw 5 minutes of relevance....

But....

Bombers are my favorite TIE. So that means they are still good right?