So... uhh. Are these any good? At least a good laugh?

I've said it on other threads... Though I have never played any form of competition.

For casual games I don't think this could be bad:

Sienar-Jaemus Analyst — TIE Silencer26

Fire-Control System2

Advanced Optics2

Autothrusters2

Ship Total: 32

PS4, 3 agility, 3 attack, 6hp, decent action economy (for attack, at least)

In range of price of Delta Defenders...

By the way, and to not open another thread... Is really the Silencer model oversized?

For me it feels too big, and the wings seem quite longer.

I will seriously consider to get an smaller model from Mel's miniatures to substitute my Silencer.

We have new player that playing lists like this, have some success (for starting player especially) and seems to get pleasure from playing.

I've been having a decent run with the list below. It's good enough to win a 15ish player quarterly kit tournament at least. The action efficiency is through the roof with the Advanced Optics/FCS combo on everything, which leaves you free to re-position more often than not.

"Quickdraw" (29)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Fire-Control System (2)
Advanced Optics (2)
Lightweight Frame (2)
Special Ops Training (0)

Sienar-Jaemus Analyst (26)
Fire-Control System (2)
Advanced Optics (2)
Autothrusters (2)

Sienar-Jaemus Analyst (26)
Fire-Control System (2)
Advanced Optics (2)
Autothrusters (2)

Total: 100

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1 hour ago, Malasombra said:

Sienar-Jaemus Analyst — TIE Silencer26

Fire-Control System2

Advanced Optics2

Autothrusters2

Ship Total: 32

PS4, 3 agility, 3 attack, 6hp, decent action economy (for attack, at least)

In range of price of Delta Defenders...

The comparison to a Defender is a fairly apt one. While you don't get the free Evade from the Defender's x7 title, you do get Autothrusters and the ability to hold on to your focus if you don't have to spend it. That comes pretty close in terms of defence.

Where you really get the edge over a Defender is in offence. FCS should mean that you have a target lock in place from the first exchange of fire onwards, and shooting at PS 4 means you usually know if you've needed to use your focus for defence or not.

It's also a much more nimble ship than a Defender - while you don't have a white K-turn, you've got the Silencer's incredibly amazing dial, and with FCS and Advanced Optics you'll often be able to Talon Roll or K-turn while still having full modifications. And there's very few things in the game that can outrun a ship with a green 5 forwards and the boost action...

1 hour ago, Malasombra said:

Sienar-Jaemus Analyst — TIE Silencer26

Fire-Control System2

Advanced Optics2

Autothrusters2

Ship Total: 32

PS4, 3 agility, 3 attack, 6hp, decent action economy (for attack, at least)

In range of price of Delta Defenders...

The comparison to a Defender is a fairly apt one. While you don't get the free Evade from the Defender's x7 title, you do get Autothrusters and the ability to hold on to your focus if you don't have to spend it. That comes pretty close in terms of defence.

Where you really get the edge over a Defender is in offence. FCS should mean that you have a target lock in place from the first exchange of fire onwards, and shooting at PS 4 means you usually know if you've needed to use your focus for defence or not.

It's also a much more nimble ship than a Defender - while you don't have a white K-turn, you've got the Silencer's incredibly amazing dial, and with FCS and Advanced Optics you'll often be able to Talon Roll or K-turn while still having full modifications. And there's very few things in the game that can outrun a ship with a green 5 forwards and the boost action...

I've seen some decent success (5-1 in two 3-round tournaments) with t he following :

Against lower PS pilots these things are pretty hard to catch, even when blocked (assuming you have arc) as you can shoot, get a lock, spend it and boost/BR out of the way or reposition + focus for defense. Against higher PS pilots the strategy is to go in with focus tokens from the bomber, get a TL if you expect them to get into range 1-2 to try to arc dodge them in the combat phase, or just double up on focus tokens at range 3. Then it becomes a game of blocking the enemy with one ship and then being able to arc dodge and shoot at it with that same blocker. If the TL is from the previous turn's FCS and you just focus before blocking, you can spend the TL to reposition (usually a BR out of arc) and use PtL to get the lock back for fully modded attack dice. I ruined a few Fenn/VCX lists with this list and might be taking it to the Krakow Open next weekend if I'm feeling brave/suicidal enough.

36 minutes ago, Jarval said:

The comparison to a Defender is a fairly apt one. While you don't get the free Evade from the Defender's x7 title, you do get Autothrusters and the ability to hold on to your focus if you don't have to spend it. That comes pretty close in terms of defence.

Where you really get the edge over a Defender is in offence. FCS should mean that you have a target lock in place from the first exchange of fire onwards, and shooting at PS 4 means you usually know if you've needed to use your focus for defence or not.

It's also a much more nimble ship than a Defender - while you don't have a white K-turn, you've got the Silencer's incredibly amazing dial, and with FCS and Advanced Optics you'll often be able to Talon Roll or K-turn while still having full modifications. And there's very few things in the game that can outrun a ship with a green 5 forwards and the boost action...

And as you already said in the QD list, when you have the modifications "stored" (TL and AO focus), you are able to do a reposition action, which is not at all bad for a generic.

36 minutes ago, Jarval said:

The comparison to a Defender is a fairly apt one. While you don't get the free Evade from the Defender's x7 title, you do get Autothrusters and the ability to hold on to your focus if you don't have to spend it. That comes pretty close in terms of defence.

Where you really get the edge over a Defender is in offence. FCS should mean that you have a target lock in place from the first exchange of fire onwards, and shooting at PS 4 means you usually know if you've needed to use your focus for defence or not.

It's also a much more nimble ship than a Defender - while you don't have a white K-turn, you've got the Silencer's incredibly amazing dial, and with FCS and Advanced Optics you'll often be able to Talon Roll or K-turn while still having full modifications. And there's very few things in the game that can outrun a ship with a green 5 forwards and the boost action...

And as you already said in the QD list, when you have the modifications "stored" (TL and AO focus), you are able to do a reposition action, which is not at all bad for a generic.

2 hours ago, Malasombra said:

By the way, and to not open another thread... Is really the Silencer model oversized?

For me it feels too big, and the wings seem quite longer.

I will seriously consider to get an smaller model from Mel's miniatures to substitute my Silencer.

Nope. Correct size. The Silencer is a huge fighter. Rounding to the nearest half, a T-70 X-wing is 12.5 meters long compared to the TIE Silencer which is 17.5 meters (or roughly, a 20 foot difference for us Americans... sorry, world! We wanna be different!)

So, yeah, the Silencer is about half the length of a YT-1300.

I mean, it's star wars, there will always be one ship where the size is debated. I remember many years ago, different official sources listed the SSD at 8, 12, and 16 KM long.

23 minutes ago, Kehl_Aecea said:

Nope. Correct size. The Silencer is a huge fighter. Rounding to the nearest half, a T-70 X-wing is 12.5 meters long compared to the TIE Silencer which is 17.5 meters (or roughly, a 20 foot difference for us Americans... sorry, world! We wanna be different!)

So, yeah, the Silencer is about half the length of a YT-1300.

I mean, it's star wars, there will always be one ship where the size is debated. I remember many years ago, different official sources listed the SSD at 8, 12, and 16 KM long.

A pity. It's the only thing I dislike from the model.

I always imagined the Silencer we saw as a limited issue proof of concept that would eventually get scaled down for a mass deployment.

I've used two Test Pilots with PTL, AS, AT, and Primed. So, so much fun.

4 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:

So... uhh. Are these any good? At least a good laugh?

I've used the EPT guy with PTL and FCS - it's a good ship.

3 hours ago, Malasombra said:

By the way, and to not open another thread... Is really the Silencer model oversized?

For me it feels too big, and the wings seem quite longer.

I will seriously consider to get an smaller model from Mel's miniatures to substitute my Silencer.

Yes, about 20-25% I think.

3 hours ago, Malasombra said:

I've said it on other threads... Though I have never played any form of competition.

For casual games I don't think this could be bad:

Sienar-Jaemus Analyst — TIE Silencer26

Fire-Control System2

Advanced Optics2

Autothrusters2

Ship Total: 32

PS4, 3 agility, 3 attack, 6hp, decent action economy (for attack, at least)

In range of price of Delta Defenders...

This is the model I'd run as well. It's similar to an X-7 Defender but you're trading your free Evade action for a free TL action from FCS, and adding Autothrusters.

I think it's playable and will do a great job for you, but it's not competitive tier. Really hard to justify not paying a couple more points and bringing Quickdraw or Vader instead.

8 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

This is the model I'd run as well. It's similar to an X-7 Defender but you're trading your free Evade action for a free TL action from FCS, and adding Autothrusters.

I think it's playable and will do a great job for you, but it's not competitive tier. Really hard to justify not paying a couple more points and bringing Quickdraw or Vader instead.

I also think that even with less hit points, being in the price range of the Inquisitor, doesn't do it any favor...