Hey all,

Now that we've had a few days to digest this info, it's time for some bold predictions!

Renegade Refit

T-65 Xwing and Uwing only

You may equip up to 2 different modifications.

Reduce the cost of crew and agromech upgrades by 1.

Torp slot (0 points)

[Reasoning] : the Ps1 Xwings will be 20 points, clearly, but taking 5 of them with no real upgrades isn't too attractive. But, if this upgrade reduced the total cost (say, by 2), there would be no reason to introduce PS 1s, as the Rookies could still take FAA and the Sfoils (assumed to be 0) and give you 5. This leads me to this 'middle path' of reducing cost. It also helps the Uwing get cheaper crew and take two upgrades, like Ion projector and APL.

S-Foils (closed)

T65 Xwing only. Modification.

Reduce your primary weapon value by 1. Your action bar gains the boost. Treat you white maneuvers as green maneuvers.

At the start of the planning phase, you may flip this card.

Cost:0

[Reasoning]: we have a spoiled pilot who gives us a piece of this puzzle. The new Xwing pilot can flip his s-foils after doing a boost or barrell roll, meaning he can get access to the boost and not be penalized the red die. This means that a 'at the start of combat phase' trigger is out, as it would render his ability meaningless. Whether it is at end, planning, or activation is anyone's guess. Mine is at planning. Finally, I think whites into green makes the most sense, but there is a possibility it turns reds into white, giving a white K. That's the only red move on the dial, though, so I think is less likely.

S-Foils (open)

T65 Xwing only. Modification.

Your action bar gains BR.

If you are not stressed, when you reveal a [hard turn 3 left] or a [hard turn right] you may treat it as a red [talon left 3] or a [talon right 3].

At the start of the planning phase, you may flip this card.

Reasoning: this card is pretty clear, I'm guessing on three things: 1. What action you gain, 2. If the manuever is red, and 3. When flipping. I already talked about 3 above, so lets look at #1 and 2. #1 could easily be evade and I wouldn't be surprised (due to the Evade), but gaining the evade with the foils open and a turn you are trying to attack seems less useful that BR, so I am going with BR. As for #2, I think it being a red will make Targeting Astro really nice, and may actually see use.

Magva Yarro

Unique, Rebel only

After defending, you may acquire a target lock on the attacker.

Crew (1 point)

Reasoning: this card seems pretty clear, and is giving a tarn-like ability. Could be great on Low PS Arcs and UWings. Might be considered part of the 'Uwing Fix'

Now, onto the Reaper.

Ps 1 Scarif Transport

Cost:21

I am basing this on several facts. First, when comparing with the Kimogila, which just came out, FFG showed a new design theory in action: paying for PS on a platform that doesn't benefit from it needs a cost reduction. The Bwing named pilots are famously overcosted, so they avoided that by giving a reduction to the named pilots. Based on traditional point costs, Dalan Oberos should have cost 27 (instead of 25) and Torani should have cost 28 (instead of 27). The base generic was appropriately costed, it was the named pilots that were reduced in cost. I think we will see the same here. It's not that the PS 1 is overcosted at 21, its that Vermeil is a discount at 26 (should have cost at least 27, if my guess is right). The other reason is that giving the Empire a cheaper way to put Palp on the board could create major problems. Even a few more points in a Palp list can take an Omega Leader to an Inquisitor, or an Inquisitor to a QD, etc, etc. I don't think FFG will let that happen.

Advanced Ailerons

Title, Tie Reaper only

Treat your turns as white manuevers.

Immediately before you reveal your dial, if you are not stressed, you may perform a [left bank] or a [right bank] maneuver.

Cost:1(maybe 2)

If this text is correct, this card must cost something, otherwise it a. Is too good and b. Renders the red turn on the dial completely meaningless (and was there just to troll us.) This means that, if you want a white turn and Palp, you gonna have to pay for it. Do you want cheap Palp or maneuverable Palp? On another note, based,on where the text falls, it seems that the 'must' of adaptive has become a may (creating a little space) and the straight, has been removed, removing the need for the last line. It is very clear to me that symbol is a bank. So two banks.

In conclusion, I couldn't make headway with that 'Th...Cor...' Any help is appreciated.

Discuss whether I am right or wrong below!

Everyone is assuming the new x wing pilots would be 20 points, but what if the had an illicit slot instead and were 21 points?

3 hours ago, SirCormac said:

S-Foils (open)

T65 Xwing only. Modification.

Your action bar gains BR.

If you are not stressed, when you reveal a [hard turn 3 left] or a [hard turn right] you may treat it as a red [talon left 3] or a [talon right 3].

At the start of the planning phase, you may flip this card.

Reasoning: this card is pretty clear, I'm guessing on three things: 1. What action you gain, 2. If the manuever is red, and 3. When flipping. I already talked about 3 above, so lets look at #1 and 2. #1 could easily be evade and I wouldn't be surprised (due to the Evade), but gaining the evade with the foils open and a turn you are trying to attack seems less useful that BR, so I am going with BR.

I would not be surprised if it was both BR and evade. Having just been playing with an x7... and also considering the popularity of Poetensity. Free evades with particular manoevres/actions is not unfamilar and would be very nice on a T-65.

I like the thematics of both these s-foil ideas very much!

In fact, a free focus with the boost would be much like an inbuilt, infinite intensity, which would be cool. Although swapping the focus and evades would make more practical sense.

Too strong?

Could be. I also think it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that the refit lowers cost by 1. This would allow 5 Rookies, but with no real upgrades, this would explain the PS 1.

1 minute ago, Cuz05 said:

I would not be surprised if it was both BR and evade. Having just been playing with an x7... and also considering the popularity of Poetensity. Free evades with particular manoevres/actions is not unfamilar and would be very nice on a T-65.

I like the thematics of both these s-foil ideas very much!

Could be. With an evade in the pack, its a very real possibility.

My bold prediction is that, given the current state of the meta being a ps race with poons and TLTs, it won't matter what these cards are

They probably won't see play in competitive environments

Hope I'm wrong!

6 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

My bold prediction is that, given the current state of the meta being a ps race with poons and TLTs, it won't matter what these cards are

They probably won't see play in competitive environments

Hope I'm wrong!

As much as I hope your wrong, I will say that I am cautiously optimistic because, rather than helping the Xwing with raw efficiency, they are giving it movement shenanigans. But, to be fair, that brought starvipers from the shelf to the table (even if not top tier), so hopefully it will be enough.

K-2SO is coming in a Rogue One Shuttle pack.

Starviper also shaved 3 points though

Thrusters fo free and then some!

There's an evade in Saw's though, so x7-wings? One can hope!

My bold prediction is that X-Wings will still be sub par if they cannot equipp autothrusters until TLT and Fat Turrets are nerfed.
Poe and Jess are only good because they can (poetentially haha) tank a tlt shot.

1 minute ago, ficklegreendice said:

Starviper also shaved 3 points though

Thrusters fo free and then some!

There's an evade in Saw's though, so x7-wings? One can hope!

Sadly, I don't think so. If the evade was due to a fix card, the pack would have contained more...

4 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

K-2SO is coming in a Rogue One Shuttle pack.

Yes please. Yes please. Yes please.

4 hours ago, SirCormac said:

S-Foils (open)

T65 Xwing only. Modification.

Your action bar gains BR.

If you are not stressed, when you reveal a [hard turn 3 left] or a [hard turn right] you may treat it as a red [talon left 3] or a [talon right 3].

At the start of the planning phase, you may flip this card.

Reasoning: this card is pretty clear, I'm guessing on three things: 1. What action you gain, 2. If the manuever is red, and 3. When flipping. I already talked about 3 above, so lets look at #1 and 2. #1 could easily be evade and I wouldn't be surprised (due to the Evade), but gaining the evade with the foils open and a turn you are trying to attack seems less useful that BR, so I am going with BR. As for #2, I think it being a red will make Targeting Astro really nice, and may actually see use.

Hobbies + Targeting Astromech would love this. (I still wish he had an EPT for Stay on Target.)

PS- It does have that Evade token in the pack. But I am thinking it has something to do with the "Th**** Cor*******" card.

Th ... (reat) Cor ... (relation)

When defending ... (with)
3 or fewer ... (defense dice, you)
may receive ... (a stress token to)
cancel all ... (of the attackers <blank> results)

My guess is the Systems slot. But very well can be an EPT, or even a torpedo slot.

Now my eyes hurt from squinting. Thanks FFG.

Th...(rust) Cor...(rector)

Increase or decrease speed of revealed maneuver if on dial perhaps.

28 minutes ago, Jadotch said:

Th ... (reat) Cor ... (relation)

When defending ... (with)
3 or fewer ... (defense dice, you)
may receive ... (a stress token to)
cancel all ... (of the attackers <blank> results)

My guess is the Systems slot. But very well can be an EPT, or even a torpedo slot.

Now my eyes hurt from squinting. Thanks FFG.

Good job! That's interesting if it is true. I think its 3 or fewer hull, but who knows? I think this might be a 'fix' for the bwing and the Uwing. Hopefully it doesn't destroy the ghost.

And by destroy I mean break.

Bold Predictions!...actually not bold or predictions, but analysis based on precedence, but "Bold Predictions!" sounds better

There will not be a T-65 Errata. The first and biggest indicator for me was that, while T-65 is clearly visible on the upgrades, all of the pilot cards and dial still just says "X-Wing". While it's possible this is a mistake, I don't think so. What they will probably do is just add a passage like this in the little booklet that the pack comes with "Some of the upgrades included in this pack reference the T-65 X-Wing. Any ship that's name only contains "X-Wing" is considered to be a T-65 X-Wing for the purposes of upgrades". This keeps them from having to errata cardboard i.e. maneuver dials, while still allowing them to differentiate the variants and futureproof the game for possibly still more X-Wing variats later (I think there's a T-80 in the new cannon, but the resistance is stuck using the older T-70s because of limited resources).

Renegade Refit will not affect U-Wings. There just isn't enough room for the text. There's enough for "T-65 X-Wing only. Title.", but not for "T-65 X-Wing and U-Wing only. Title." unless you drop "title" to the next line, but clearly there isn't enough room for that.

There are 3 X-Wing tiles, 3 of the PS1 generics and 3 of the S-foil cards. The positioning and tiles just don't make sense otherwise. This also likely means there's a missing pair of U-Wing pilots and a missing upgrade card. I'd say it a 90+% likelihood that there's a PS1 generic U-Wing and, unless they change the ratio of unique to generics for the ship (which they haven't done with any previous ship upgrade pack), there's also another unique pilot unaccounted for.

4 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

Renegade Refit will not affect U-Wings. There just isn't enough room for the text. There's enough for "T-65 X-Wing only. Title.", but not for "T-65 X-Wing and U-Wing only. Title." unless you drop "title" to the next line, but clearly there isn't enough room for that.

I don't think its a title. I think its a Torp slot. Then it fits

If there's any points reduction in the refit title it'll be 'you may equip an astromech upgrade that costs 1 squad point for free' or some such. A discount that makes R2D2 cost 3 points is not something anyone wants. A free generic R2 or flight assist would be good enough.

5 minutes ago, GreenLantern1138 said:

If there's any points reduction in the refit title it'll be 'you may equip an astromech upgrade that costs 1 squad point for free' or some such. A discount that makes R2D2 cost 3 points is not something anyone wants. A free generic R2 or flight assist would be good enough.

Agreed. I'd also like this wording for crew for the UWing. It needs SOME advantage over the Auzituck, even if a small one

Watch the new X-Wings utterly shatter the meta.

13 hours ago, SirCormac said:

S-Foils (closed)

T65 Xwing only. Modification.

Reduce your primary weapon value by 1. Your action bar gains the boost. Treat you white maneuvers as green maneuvers.

At the start of the planning phase, you may flip this card.

Cost:0

[Reasoning]: we have a spoiled pilot who gives us a piece of this puzzle. The new Xwing pilot can flip his s-foils after doing a boost or barrell roll, meaning he can get access to the boost and not be penalized the red die. This means that a 'at the start of combat phase' trigger is out, as it would render his ability meaningless. Whether it is at end, planning, or activation is anyone's guess. Mine is at planning. Finally, I think whites into green makes the most sense, but there is a possibility it turns reds into white, giving a white K. That's the only red move on the dial, though, so I think is less likely.

I hope that's not it, because it looks like a "fix" for R2D2 rather than T65.

I'm not a fan of this "take a boost, but your offense is now reduced to nearly nothing"; 2 red dice are really worth **** these days.

And we don't need more ways to run and regen.

Bold Prediction: We will have gotten the M4-C Dunelizard by the time of wave 20...

14 hours ago, SirCormac said:

Reduce your primary weapon value by 1. Your action bar gains the boost. Treat you white maneuvers as green maneuvers.

Soooooo... R2-D2 on every single move except the 4K?? It makes the dial all green except the Koigram.

I think it's a bit exaggerated, though as @ficklegreendice optimistically said, it won't matter at high levels.