I've long thought the Brahatok should be an anti squadron flotilla. This thread gave me some inspiration to come out with a new keyword for that kind of flotilla - Screen. Screening ships were historically used as pickets on the outskirts of fleets, scouting for enemy ships, skirmishing and laying smoke screens, and searching for subs and torpedo boats.

In the Armada context the Screen keyword would be a version of Escort for ships. When in range X (I'd guess 1-2, 3 max, or close range to help Rhymer maybe) of a Screen flotilla, ships cannot be attacked by squadrons and they must instead attack the screen ship. Some variation ideas I have are that squadrons could still attack a ship protected by a screening flotilla but would then suffer a Counter attack from the flotilla, which could be their whole AA battery even. Another idea is that they could nullify the use of Intel within a certain range.

Please comment or discuss this idea if you have anything to add! Thanks!

37 minutes ago, TheBigLev said:

I've long thought the Brahatok should be an anti squadron flotilla. This thread gave me some inspiration to come out with a new keyword for that kind of flotilla - Screen. Screening ships were historically used as pickets on the outskirts of fleets, scouting for enemy ships, skirmishing and laying smoke screens, and searching for subs and torpedo boats.

In the Armada context the Screen keyword would be a version of Escort for ships. When in range X (I'd guess 1-2, 3 max, or close range to help Rhymer maybe) of a Screen flotilla, ships cannot be attacked by squadrons and they must instead attack the screen ship. Some variation ideas I have are that squadrons could still attack a ship protected by a screening flotilla but would then suffer a Counter attack from the flotilla, which could be their whole AA battery even. Another idea is that they could nullify the use of Intel within a certain range.

Please comment or discuss this idea if you have anything to add! Thanks!

I LIKE this idea!

5 hours ago, TheBigLev said:

I've long thought the Brahatok should be an anti squadron flotilla. This thread gave me some inspiration to come out with a new keyword for that kind of flotilla - Screen. Screening ships were historically used as pickets on the outskirts of fleets, scouting for enemy ships, skirmishing and laying smoke screens, and searching for subs and torpedo boats.

In the Armada context the Screen keyword would be a version of Escort for ships. When in range X (I'd guess 1-2, 3 max, or close range to help Rhymer maybe) of a Screen flotilla, ships cannot be attacked by squadrons and they must instead attack the screen ship. Some variation ideas I have are that squadrons could still attack a ship protected by a screening flotilla but would then suffer a Counter attack from the flotilla, which could be their whole AA battery even. Another idea is that they could nullify the use of Intel within a certain range.

Please comment or discuss this idea if you have anything to add! Thanks!

If I was gonna go about it like this, I'd make that a fleet support upgrade.



I'd also love to see this:



Personally I think they should add more fleet support lol

7 hours ago, Ironlord said:

Yup - the Databank:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/quasar-fire-class-cruiser-carrier

It may not be all that much bigger than the Legends version - those bombers look to take up quite a respectable amount of space in the hangars.

Given that its bridge module is the same as the Arquitens (it's stated in the Concept Art gallery that the windows should line up as appropriate for the Imperial Light Cruiser)

http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels/homecoming-concept-art-gallery

http://www.starwars.com/databank/imperial-light-cruiser

which already has an official length given - 325m

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Arquitens-class_command_cruiser

maybe somebody could extrapolate the exact size?

Careful, some of the Rebels concept art contradicts Canon.

Don't get me wrong, I will take any Canon source that makes Home One larger than an ISD again, but it is still an inconsistency.

Ok, found some more perspective shots for the Rebels version of the light carrier.

Zoom in and you can see the Ghost in the hangar bay.

While shorter, the Ghost is roughly the same width as a CR90.

@cynanbloodbane there is an episode of the ghost bringing fuel to the rebel fleet that shows the underside of an ISD, corvettes and Quasar.

The Forgotten Droid.

4 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

If I was gonna go about it like this, I'd make that a fleet support upgrade.



I'd also love to see this:



Personally I think they should add more fleet support lol

I have to say I kind of like the first one, the second one not that I dislike it, more I am not sure I understand the thought behind it.

6 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

If I was gonna go about it like this, I'd make that a fleet support upgrade.



I'd also love to see this:



Personally I think they should add more fleet support lol

That is a pretty decent idea for a fleet AA flotilla. I think there are a lot of ways this could be implemented effectively, though they would each have their strengths and weaknesses.

On 15/02/2018 at 5:41 PM, Onidsen said:

Exactly. Rebels made it canon again, but at a much larger size than the old Legends version had been.

I did an estimate using the Armada models (based on the bridge window sections being the same size on each model - 5mm)

The Arquitens model is 73mm long. The Quasar-Fire model is 91mm long, 80mm wide.

Using 325m for the Arquitens, the scale is roughly 1/4452: That makes the Quasar-Fire 405m long, 356m wide. (And the bridge sections of both, 22.26m wide.)

The Legends one was 340m. So it's bigger - but not a lot bigger.

So ffg made medium because the y want, what a pity, small, a bit cheaper could be fantastic

11 minutes ago, Sharego said:

So ffg made medium because the y want, what a pity, small, a bit cheaper could be fantastic

Similar principle applied to the Interdictor Star Destroyer. At around 1219 or so m (using the hangar bays for scaling - which are the same size on both the Interdictor model and the ISD model) it's actually slightly longer than the MC80 and the MC85.

37 minutes ago, Sharego said:

So ffg made medium because the y want, what a pity, small, a bit cheaper could be fantastic

It doesn;t have to be cheaper to be fantastic. 69points for a 5 squadron, distance 5 flight controller platform is a steal (Quas-1, Expanded hangar, Boosted Coms, Flight Controller). It is the exact cost of 3 naked flotillas, and you lose 1 squad activation and 2 ship activations and gain increased range, flight controllers, and a concentrated alpha which is priceless. To get boosted coms on 3 flotillas would be 81 pts, and you still lose flight controllers. Activations are important, but they aren't everything.

2 hours ago, Ironlord said:

I did an estimate using the Armada models (based on the bridge window sections being the same size on each model - 5mm)

The Arquitens model is 73mm long. The Quasar-Fire model is 91mm long, 80mm wide.

Using 325m for the Arquitens, the scale is roughly 1/4452: That makes the Quasar-Fire 405m long, 356m wide. (And the bridge sections of both, 22.26m wide.)

The Legends one was 340m. So it's bigger - but not a lot bigger.

How would you expect FFG's sliding scale to impact those measurements? I'd expect the Rebels show to be a better baseline than the models that aren't necessarily in-scale.

Here's a link to a page with a shot of the Quasar Fire up against a Star Destroyer and a couple of Arquitens. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_on_Phoenix_Squadron_(3_BBY)

It looks like the Quasar fire is at least double the length of the light cruiser

1 hour ago, Ironlord said:

Similar principle applied to the Interdictor Star Destroyer. At around 1219 or so m (using the hangar bays for scaling - which are the same size on both the Interdictor model and the ISD model) it's actually slightly longer than the MC80 and the MC85.

I believe that the best estimate for the Interdictor based on comparative sizes in the Rebels show was about 1000m. @Drasnighta - IIRC, you were the one that got that number?

On 2/16/2018 at 6:11 PM, CDAT said:

I have to say I kind of like the first one, the second one not that I dislike it, more I am not sure I understand the thought behind it.

I think it could make a cool upgrade for ships that have redirects but not a lot of shields. Just fly a flotilla with this upgrade nearby and you get to redirect damage off your ship and onto the flotilla.

24 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

How would you expect FFG's sliding scale to impact those measurements? I'd expect the Rebels show to be a better baseline than the models that aren't necessarily in-scale.

I believe that the best estimate for the Interdictor based on comparative sizes in the Rebels show was about 1000m

The point I'm trying to make is, they specifically said that the Arquitens and the Quasar Fire used the same "art asset" for the bridge.

http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels/homecoming-concept-art-gallery

Similarly, they said that they used the same asset for the Interdictor and the ISD's hangar bay.

http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels/secret-cargo-behind-the-scenes-gallery

Thus, while FFG does use a sliding scale, we have reason to believe that some ships are to the same scale.

24 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Here's a link to a page with a shot of the Quasar Fire up against a Star Destroyer and a couple of Arquitens. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_on_Phoenix_Squadron_(3_BBY)

It looks like the Quasar fire is at least double the length of the light cruiser

Looks aren't everything. Zoom in as much as your computer will go. Take a piece of paper. Hold it up to the computer, with the edge over the centreline of the Arquitens (central engine, and prow). Mark each. Do the same with the Quasar Fire. You will find that the Quasar Fire is a bit less than twice the length of the Arquitens.

23 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

How would you expect FFG's sliding scale to impact those measurements? I'd expect the Rebels show to be a better baseline than the models that aren't necessarily in-scale.

Here's a link to a page with a shot of the Quasar Fire up against a Star Destroyer and a couple of Arquitens. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_on_Phoenix_Squadron_(3_BBY)

It looks like the Quasar fire is at least double the length of the light cruiser

I believe that the best estimate for the Interdictor based on comparative sizes in the Rebels show was about 1000m. @Drasnighta - IIRC, you were the one that got that number?

I never got a number, I championed only that it was larger than a 418, because of this:

http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels/stealth-strike-trivia-gallery

Edit: urgh, go to link click on picture... they specifically state it is larger, and a CR90 fits in its hangar.

2 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Edit: urgh, go to link click on picture... they specifically state it is larger, and a CR90 fits in its hangar.

Yup. After I'd pointed this out - eventually Wookieepedia split the Interdictor Star Destroyer page from the Immobilizer-418 page.

4 minutes ago, Ironlord said:

The point I'm trying to make is, they specifically said that the Arquitens and the Quasar Fire used the same "art asset" for the bridge.

http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels/homecoming-concept-art-gallery

Similarly, they said that they used the same asset for the Interdictor and the ISD's hangar bay.

http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels/secret-cargo-behind-the-scenes-gallery

Thus, while FFG does use a sliding scale, we have reason to believe that some ships are to the same scale.

Fair enough - I'm just a little skeptical of your results, since a number of pictures showing the Quasar and the Arquitens in the same shot make the Quasar look on the order of double the Arquitens length, and certainly more than 20% longer. (I'd link it, but apparently it's a larger file size than I'm allowed to)

Of course, the CR90s in that picture don't look half the size of the Arquitens, so the problem may be that the arquitens is smaller than it should be in those Rebels shots

39 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Of course, the CR90s in that picture don't look half the size of the Arquitens, so the problem may be that the arquitens is smaller than it should be in those Rebels shots

Space is 3D - the Arquitens may be further from "the camera" than they look, and vice versa for the CR-90s.

We know the Interdictor's bridge is comparable in width to the length of an Arquitens:

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Using the 1219m figure which I'd gotten by taking the hangar bays of the ISD and interdictor for scaling:

Interdictor = 160mm long = 1219m

Interdictor bridge = 43mm wide = 327.6m wide.

the bridge width indeed ends up being around the same as the Arquitens length.

I can't beleave that Radas got away with all the activation padding with so many transports.

On 01/03/2018 at 8:40 PM, Onidsen said:

Of course, the CR90s in that picture don't look half the size of the Arquitens, so the problem may be that the arquitens is smaller than it should be in those Rebels shots

The most conservative estimates I've seen for it put it as being as little as 200m (assuming the engines were identical in size to those on the Consular-class cruiser.)

It was scaling from the "docked to the Sentinel shuttle" scene that pegged it as 325m - the Build The Millennium Falcon magazine's Starship Fact File.

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/fleet-junkie-flagship-the-technical-discussions-of-the-gffa-capital-ships-thread-mk-ii.21527953/page-737

I made some calculations about its possible length, based on the scene where the Sentinel class has docked with the ship in 'Rebels'. I estimate that about two Sentinels could fit into the forked opening and that results into an opening of 76 meters (a Sentinel is 38 meters). Compared to the total length of the Arquitens, that could result in a total length of +/- 325 meters. It does seem rather large, because the Consular Cruisers are only 115 meters and the Pelta Cruisers are 282 meters.

Aha. Found the image I was looking for.

for bigger version click link.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/7/7c/Attack_on_the_rebel_fleet.png/revision/latest?cb=20160317152213