Just wanna check how the twins have been faring on the Assault frigate(with/without ackbar)? Is it a better replacement to Gunnery teams overall? And how would you equip it?

13 minutes ago, Muelmuel said:

Just wanna check how the twins have faring on the Assault frigate(with/without ackbar)? Is it a better replacement to Gunnery teams overall? And how would you equip it?

Personally, I'd equip them in the Weapons Team slot, but if you're willing to cheat your opponent....

In actuality, I'd pair it with Intel officer, maybe ECM to keep it cheaper. Ackbar, probably. 5 reroll able red? It's a big, competent Arquitens. Yeah no Gunnery Team, but it'd be a decent Advanced Gunnery ship that isn't super crazy expensive. Put it with an IF! Pelta, @shmitty style

I think Gunnery Teams is more useful especially in an Ackbar list. Some experiment with OE instead and use Sato but the twins probably make that less needed.

I have used them on Paragon since GTs doesn't really benefit from the title. With Raymus and a QBT on an AFIIA you get a decent all round fire base that can really hurt on the double arcs.

I’ve run them on an assfrig with IO/Lando, ECM, and Enhanced Armament as the flagship of an ackbar trc90 swarm- it’s a ton of fun.

With a CF you are throwing 7 red dice with rerolls!!!

2 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Personally, I'd equip them in the Weapons Team slot, but if you're willing to cheat your opponent....

In actuality, I'd pair it with Intel officer, maybe ECM to keep it cheaper. Ackbar, probably. 5 reroll able red? It's a big, competent Arquitens. Yeah no Gunnery Team, but it'd be a decent Advanced Gunnery ship that isn't super crazy expensive. Put it with an IF! Pelta, @shmitty style

I think IF! pairs better with Gunnery Teams where it can boost both attacks, but C&S + IO has some potential.

The competition between C&S and GT for that weapon team slot on many ships is pretty close.

C&S and IO on a Lib has been working well for me. I know you asked about the AF, but I like advertising the twins as much as possible.

Why do people not Ackbar slash... I preferred vet gunners on the Ackbar assault frigate. This is just a whole lot better.

5 minutes ago, SkyCake said:

Why do people not Ackbar slash... I preferred vet gunners on the Ackbar assault frigate. This is just a whole lot better.

Generally have to get pretty close to slash and the AFII doesn't really have the tokens/health for it.

1 hour ago, SkyCake said:

Why do people not Ackbar slash... I preferred vet gunners on the Ackbar assault frigate. This is just a whole lot better.

I like slashing with MC-30s. For the AF I am usually trying to maintain long range to help with survivability. Ackbar is a an offensive admiral that allows you to fly defensively and still maintain heavy firepower.

I have been loving C&S. I know I will get in one very heavy shot. I think one very heavy shot is better better than two mediocre ones. Especially since often you only have one target.

I think c&s makes AFs terrifying.

I think they were designed for mc75 armored cruiser. If they were officers, theyd actually see some play, but Im pretty sure people will opt for ls,oe whenever they can for rerolls. For Ackbar Af my personal preference is gt, its not hard to have 2 ships in red range in one arc. Obviously they help the first shot you take, but it wont shoot second time if you cant pull off the slash, and the second shot is unmodified... Im not sold on them.

10 hours ago, Mad Cat said:

I think Gunnery Teams is more useful especially in an Ackbar list. Some experiment with OE instead and use Sato but the twins probably make that less needed.

I have used them on Paragon since GTs doesn't really benefit from the title. With Raymus and a QBT on an AFIIA you get a decent all round fire base that can really hurt on the double arcs.

You used the twins on paragon? ain't that a black die?

10 hours ago, Truthiness said:

C&S and IO on a Lib has been working well for me. I know you asked about the AF, but I like advertising the twins as much as possible.

That sounds like another neat idea. Battle Cruiser with Spinals to hit at long range? That's the only benefit I see for them over LS for Libs

Some might say its Shollan fantastic

7 hours ago, Muelmuel said:

That sounds like another neat idea. Battle Cruiser with Spinals to hit at long range? That's the only benefit I see for them over LS for Libs

Spinals, XI7s, IO, SW7, and C&S. Fantastic punching power. Reliably one-shots anything smaller than a Quasar and puts major pain on the big boys. I've two-shot a Cymoon from the flank. It has a higher damage ceiling than anything with LS because you don't have to remove a die for the re-rolls. SW7 lets you ignore the blues and use C&S exclusively for the reds. Works well for both Battle and Star Cruiser.

6 hours ago, Muelmuel said:

You used the twins on paragon? ain't that a black die?

Yes I can re-roll 3 red or, if they are decent, I can re-roll 2 black with a CF dial.

Throw in Sato and things get really interesting.

Here is what I have been tinkering with for the twins and the AF. Pairing the twins with an Intel Officer makes for some poor choices for your enemy.

Name: Rebel Assault
Faction: Rebel
Commander: Admiral Ackbar

Assault: Close-Range Intel Scan
Defense: Planetary Ion Cannon
Navigation: Dangerous Territory

Assault Frigate Mk2 B (72)
• Intel Officer (7)
• Caitken and Shollan (6)
• Electronic Countermeasures (7)
• XI7 Turbolasers (6)
= 98 Points

Assault Frigate Mk2 B (72)
• Admiral Ackbar (38)
• Lando Carissian (4)
• Gunnery Team (7)
• Electronic Countermeasures (7)
• XI7 Turbolasers (6)
= 134 Points

Assault Frigate Mk2 B (72)
• Gunnery Team (7)
• Electronic Countermeasures (7)
• XI7 Turbolasers (6)
= 92 Points

GR-75 Medium Transports (18)
• Expanded Hangar Bay (5)
• Bright Hope (2)
= 25 Points

Squadrons:
• Biggs Darklighter (19)
• Jan Ors (19)
• X-wing Squadron (13)
= 51 Points

Total Points: 400

3 hours ago, Mad Cat said:

Yes I can re-roll 3 red or, if they are decent, I can re-roll 2 black with a CF dial.

Throw in Sato and things get really interesting.

As someone who used Sato and Paragon, you're better off using OE so you can reroll all 6 black dice. 4 from Sato, 1 from Paragon, 1 from CF. OE is cheaper than the twins and is simply better.

The twins shine ONLY if you need to reroll a lot of reds ONCE. If you want to reroll black die, OE is better all around Blue are usually better served with SW-7's. The twins are niche, but useful

5 hours ago, Truthiness said:

Spinals, XI7s, IO, SW7, and C&S. Fantastic punching power. Reliably one-shots anything smaller than a Quasar and puts major pain on the big boys. I've two-shot a Cymoon from the flank. It has a higher damage ceiling than anything with LS because you don't have to remove a die for the re-rolls. SW7 lets you ignore the blues and use C&S exclusively for the reds. Works well for both Battle and Star Cruiser.

Inspired by your build, I tossed this together.

Name: Raddus's Exodus
Faction: Rebel
Commander: Admiral Raddus

Assault: Advanced Gunnery
Defense: Contested Outpost
Navigation: Solar Corona

MC80 Battle Cruiser (103)
• Admiral Raddus (26)
• Bail Organa (7)
• Caitken and Shollan (6)
• SW-7 Ion Batteries (5)
• Spinal Armament (9)
• XI7 Turbolasers (6)
• Mon Calamari Exodus Fleet (5)
= 167 Points

MC80 Star Cruiser (96)
• Strategic Adviser (4)
• Gunnery Team (7)
• SW-7 Ion Batteries (5)
• Quad Battery Turrets (5)
• XI7 Turbolasers (6)
• Mon Calamari Exodus Fleet (5)
= 128 Points

Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette (36)
• External Racks (3)
• Garel's Honor (4)
= 43 Points

GR-75 Medium Transports (18)
• Leia Organa (3)
• Comms Net (2)
= 23 Points

Squadrons:
• Shara Bey (17)
• Tycho Celchu (16)
= 33 Points

Total Points: 394

Raddus can ensure the the GT Lib gets nice close range shots and triggers QBT, while Exodus keeps shields up to protect against squads. Bail makes it a hard choice on first or second when you can deal an average of 9 damage. IO might be better, but Bail is legit.