7 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

WHen did oyu ever see Rookie Pilots before?

Wave 3

5 hours ago, Giledhil said:

X-wings lock their S-foils in combat. That's a fact from the movie.

And literal decades of other media show X-Wings using their S-Foils in a creative manner in combat. Stop holding onto the original film as the only authority.

I'm as big of a fan of the EU/Legends canon as anybody, but even there, X-wings could fire without locking their S-Foils in attack position.

Bacta War--Gavin does it. Pg. 155

Dark Force Rising--Artoo does it Pg. 263

Specter of the Past -- Mentioned that it can be done, Pg. 368

And I'm pretty sure it happens in at least one other X-Wing book, because I remember one of the pilots being congratulated for making an excellent closed-wing shot.

its probably an accuracy thing. Like its not properly stabilized with the foils closed or something.
Indicating they can shoot, but not reliably. Hence that congrats for making a close-winged shot.

3 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

And literal decades of other media show X-Wings using their S-Foils in a creative manner in combat. Stop holding onto the original film as the only authority.

56 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

I'm as big of a fan of the EU/Legends canon as anybody, but even there, X-wings could fire without locking their S-Foils in attack position.

Bacta War--Gavin does it. Pg. 155

Dark Force Rising--Artoo does it Pg. 263

Specter of the Past -- Mentioned that it can be done, Pg. 368

And I'm pretty sure it happens in at least one other X-Wing book, because I remember one of the pilots being congratulated for making an excellent closed-wing shot.

I never said it was impossible, but that making it a standart manoeuver is stupid.

Each time we see it in the UE (or even in the new canon), its either a ballsy manoeuver by an especaially skilled pilot, or a necessity ( if I remember right, in Specter of the past, Rogue Squ. pilots wonder if its safe, since they would be obliged to do it since their ailerons have been rigged with explosives...).

So yeah, no problem having a super skilled pilot doing something usual once in a while. But having every X-wing flap like a pigeon every other turn is NOT thematic, at all.

7 hours ago, Dabirdisdaword said:

"Rebels is for children"

And the rest of star wars isn't? Lets be real here this forum is mostly grown *** adults playing with little toy ships from kids movies. Half the time making pew noises. Try not to be too serious.

Big nope.

Star Wars is not "for children". It is for teens and older (since adults can enjoy simple stories in a nice SF setting).
The targeted audience of Star Wars is really large, and that's, imo, one of the reasons the thing worked so well (and did a shitload of money).

Now, Rebels is a different kind of thing, it really is targeted at CHILDREN. Simpler plots, less violence, saving baby wookies, etc.

I would let a 6yo watch Rebels, but I don't think making him watch ESB, RotS or Rogue One would be a good idea.

4 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

So yeah, no problem having a super skilled pilot doing something usual once in a while. But having every X-wing flap like a pigeon is NOT thematic, at all.

I don‘t understand why this is the hill you chose to make a stand on. Vader flying in a squad with Kylo is also not thematic. Most lists are not thematic. Countless upgrades aren‘t.

But finally, when we get the Xwing fix after what, over 6 years, it‘s not thematic enough?!

3 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

Star Wars is not "for children".

George Lucas disagrees . But what does he know?

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

it‘s not thematic enough?!

Exactly.

(btw, I don't mix ships from different timelines in my squads, since I like cinematic play )

9 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

George Lucas disagrees . But what does he know?

"for 12 yo". That's teenager, not children. There's a difference.

Edit : should have said "preadolescent", as native speakers just replied.

4 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

"for 12 yo". That's teenager, not children. There's a difference.

ThirTEEN is teenager. Twelve is not. Just fyi

7 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

"for 12 yo". That's teenager, not children. There's a difference.

I did not know that 12 was teen.

See like 13 ends with teen making it a teen. 12 is what? Child? Preteen? <Insert other word for child here>? Either way. As you say there's a difference between 12 and teens and it's shown in the number 12.

From ewoks to gungans to our newest protagonist playing with dolls it's all for kids man. Sure they threw in a bit to keep adults interested to be us adults are a side goof not the main event.

2 minutes ago, Dabirdisdaword said:

I did not know that 12 was teen.

See like 13 ends with teen making it a teen. 12 is what? Adolescent? Preteen? <Insert other word for child here>?

Ok. English is not my first language. Should have said pre-adolescent. Wich is not the same as children (or whatever you call the audience of Rebels, between 5 and 10).

9 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

George Lucas disagrees . But what does he know?

You need to stop feeding him man....

I have agreed with all of your posts in this but your feeding the troll so hard.

EDit: i am painfully aware that i just responded to him in the next post.... (i am the worst kind of person)

Just now, Giledhil said:

Ok. English is not my first language. Should have said pre-adolescent. Wich is not the same as children (or whatever you call the audience of Rebels, between 5 and 10).

I watched rebels as an adult... i have a 4 year old i wont let him watch it (way to violent especial the later seasons.)

I enjoyed it.... i like that x-wing has stuff from rebels in it.

2 minutes ago, Icelom said:

I watched rebels as an adult... i have a 4 year old i wont let him watch it (way to violent especial the later seasons.)

I enjoyed it.... i like that x-wing has stuff from rebels in it.

4 yo is imo too little, agreed.
But in my case, I hate the rainbow TIE nonsense. Three persons in a TIE/ln? Seriously?

4 minutes ago, Icelom said:

You need to stop feeding him man....

I have agreed with all of your posts in this but your feeding the troll so hard.

EDit: i am painfully aware that i just responded to him in the next post.... (i am the worst kind of person)

I don't see why you call me trolling, since I'm not.

1 minute ago, Icelom said:

You need to stop feeding him man....

I have agreed with all of your posts in this but your feeding the troll so hard.

I know. But it‘s not mean spirited and still somewhat enjoyable. But more importantly, these back-and-forths (can barely call it a discussion) are mainly for bystanders. And I think it‘s really sad when anyone comes accross this thread and just sees a loud voice decrying the awesome fix just because he has a personal vendetta against it for an unknown reason.

You‘re right though that I missed the point where I should have stopped...

13 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

First off, we got a lot of what we wanted very loudly for a long time:

• X wing fix
• s foils with improved maneuverability
• U wing fix
• possibly cost reduction on torpedo slot
• probably 20pt X wings
• possibly K2SO
• TIE Reaper, even on small base
• lots of imperial crew
• Krennic

This is all awesome and I don‘t try to take away from it.

But.

It does feel like an unused opportunity not to use the battle of Scariff more. Partisans look cool, yes. But the battle shows us General Merrick, and awesome Y-wings, and TIEs in swarms. I would have preferred a battle of Scarrif pack with X and Y wing fixes, and TIE swarm fix. I do not believe that we‘ll get another Xwing anytime soon, so I‘m afraid that this chance is gone now. But who knows?

What we do know is that we just got an awesome announcement with many things we wanted, and we should maybe focus on that instead of missed chances.

yeah I was hoping for 2 expansions.

Heroes of Scarriff with blue squadron Y-wing and a t65 X-wing in one pack with fixes

Tie reaper and a blue tie fighter(matching the gozanti ones) with swarm fix in the other

or really just a Hammerhead corvette with 2 of every fighter seen in Rogue one (x, y, u, v, z95, striker, etc.)

17 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

Now, Rebels is a different kind of thing, it really is targeted at CHILDREN. Simpler plots, less violence, saving baby wookies, etc.

Out of curiosity, how much Rebels have you seen?

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

decrying the awesome fix just because he has a personal vendetta against it for an unknown reason.

- what awesome fix ? The card isn't even spoiled yet ?!
- you said it yourself : "not thematic enough". That's not a unknown reason.

Just now, SabineKey said:

Out of curiosity, how much Rebels have you seen?

All of it

Just now, Giledhil said:

All of it

Okay. Just wanted to make sure you were speaking from actual experience rather than assumption.

Just now, SabineKey said:

Okay. Just wanted to make sure you were speaking from actual experience rather than assumption.

I even enjoyed some of the episodes. But I really don't think it's a wise move to keep that kind of works in the same canon as the movies. I understand the wholistic point of view, but I'm sceptic about how this will end.

Hey everybody! Over here!

It's a super informative thread that's really going places and totally not a **** show of people arguing about spaceship fiction.