Pondering on uses for Saw Gerrera

By Wazat, in X-Wing

"When attacking, you may suffer 1 damage to change all of your <focus> results to <critical> results."

He's a one-point crew. My buddy Dragoon suggested Nera with Advanced Proton Torps and Deadeye, etc. That's the best implementation I've seen so far; should be hilarious if it connects, especially with Jan Ors pumping the dice count (and granting a barrel roll with Squad Leader to get into position). But B-Wings are kinda delicate flowers in today's meta (especially a self-damaging B-Wing), and HWKs are even worse, so this idea is so, so casual and janky it's wonderful. :)

I also thought about giving Saw to Norra with PTL and R2-D2, and running away while spraying crits at foes and regenning the self-damage. But the ARC already converts one focus to crit in the back, and C-3PO is already profoundly better for that build.

Any other exciting ideas for how to use Saw?

Regen Norra or a cheap brawling ghost with hera crew. Both of those could put the hurt on something and not be too worried about the damage.

How about Heff Tober with Zeb and Saw crew with APT? Charge, get the block, then take a TL. Foe has no tokens, then blows up. Engine Upgrade for more consistent use.

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4 minutes ago, SirCormac said:

How about Heff Tober with Zeb and Saw crew with APT? Charge, get the block, then take a TL. Foe has no tokens, then blows up. Engine Upgrade for more consistent use.

This has got to be the jankiest thing I have heard of in a long while. I love it!

Wulf w/ Predator, Saw

Get some crits, help turn his ability on for more crits.

Norra w/ PTL,Saw,R5P9

Take TL and focus. You use saw to convert all to crits, spend focus to regen shield.

3 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

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Dammit, you beat me to it Boom Owl! Miranda with Harpoons, lose shield for Saw, lose a shield to roll an extra attack die and guidance chips (turn a blank into a regular hit for extra oomph) and no need to take a focus action. If you have extra munitions it gets even saltier. Guaranteed way to either trigger harpoons condition, or get damage through to apply the condition in the first place.

Poor Norra will never escape Miranda's shadow :(

1 minute ago, uscsmurf said:

Dammit, you beat me to it Boom Owl! Miranda with Harpoons, lose shield for Saw, lose a shield to roll an extra attack die and guidance chips (turn a blank into a regular hit for extra oomph) and no need to take a focus action. If you have extra munitions it gets even saltier. Guaranteed way to either trigger harpoons condition, or get damage through to apply the condition in the first place.

Dont forget the possibility of putting Saw on Lowhrick. So you can proc Harpoons that very same turn and still have Fenn to protect you :)

5 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

X-wing will never escape Miranda's shadow :(

ftfy...

Wonder if Krennic will help...

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Not even a little bit

Throwing dice at Miranda is easy (contrast Poe or corran), it's doing significant sustained damage through Regen and flighty TLT that's the problem

Only solution to miri is an overdue TLT adjust

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14 minutes ago, wurms said:

Wulf w/ Predator, Saw

Get some crits, help turn his ability on for more crits.

Norra w/ PTL,Saw,R5P9

Take TL and focus. You use saw to convert all to crits, spend focus to regen shield.

I like that Wullffwarro build! ^_^ It's the potent self-damage source he's been waiting for.

5 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Not even a little bit

Throwing dice at Miranda is easy (contrast Poe or corran), it's doing significant sustained damage through Regen and flighty TLT that's the problem

Only solution to miri is an overdue TLT adjust

Well, Krennic is a direct counter to regen like Miranda's, where she regens 1 shield, then you remove 1 shield when it comes to your attack with a bad die roll, then apply damage after she rolls her mighty 1 green die.

Its going to result in a lot of cases of crits sticking and not getting eaten by a regened shield over and over. Considering a "typical" roll of blank, focus, hit and a focus token/modifier, instead of having 1 hit slip through if she blanks, you are going to double your damage as you spend the blank to strip the shield, and then you have 2 damage to hull.

8 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Not even a little bit

Throwing dice at Miranda is easy (contrast Poe or corran), it's doing significant sustained damage through Regen and flighty TLT that's the problem

Only solution to miri is an overdue TLT adjust

No. Just no. TLT is fine. It costs 6 points to even use, and there are a lot of ships that Miranda finds hard to hit. And things like Autothrusters, sensor jammer, etc... make it even. I wish we would stop bringing this up. TLT is fine, unless we are talking Maul/Ezra on the Ghost and then I might have a different opinion.

22 minutes ago, kris40k said:

This has got to be the jankiest thing I have heard of in a long while. I love it!

deadeye e2 nera? you can even em to pull it twice.........

3 minutes ago, kris40k said:

Well, Krennic is a direct counter to regen like Miranda's, where she regens 1 shield, then you remove 1 shield when it comes to your attack with a bad die roll, then apply damage after she rolls her mighty 1 green die.

Its going to result in a lot of cases of crits sticking and not getting eaten by a regened shield over and over. Considering a "typical" roll of blank, focus, hit and a focus token/modifier, instead of having 1 hit slip through if she blanks, you are going to double your damage as you spend the blank to strip the shield, and then you have 2 damage to hull.

Yea...the possibility of running Vader with Krennic/Kylo Crew and blinding Miranda in the same turn that you also burn an extra shield off her in addition to w/e other dmg. Always fight salt with salt. Or is it water...I can never remember.

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1 minute ago, Boom Owl said:

Yea...the possibility of running Vader with Krennic/Kylo Crew and blinding Miranda in the same turn that you also burn an extra shield off her in addition to w/e other dmg. Always fight salt with salt. Or is it water...I can never remember.

I think it's fight salt with tequila. That sounds right doesn't it?

1 minute ago, uscsmurf said:

I think it's fight salt with tequila. That sounds right doesn't it?

That sounds right but lets check with the experts over at OCX to be sure? @atkrull

Saw is busted good on everything that was already busted good for Rebels.

1 point and a damage for ultra Ezra crew, no stress needed?

Good freakin night. Mirandas, Ghosts and crew carrying regenners everywhere just had their head explode with how ridiculous it is that they just got another buff.

1 minute ago, Kdubb said:

Saw is busted good on everything that was already busted good for Rebels.

1 point and a damage for ultra Ezra crew, no stress needed?

Good freakin night. Mirandas, Ghosts and crew carrying regenners everywhere just had their head explode with how ridiculous it is that they just got another buff.

Hard to see how this would be better than Ezra/Maul on a Ghost but thats definitely not something I am qualified to have an opinion on.

Norra, VI, Saw, R2D2, Vectored Thrusters = 37 Point End Game Destroyer.

Rey. He's basically a cheap Expertise that doesn't use your EPT slot. Also, Rey is not usually your win condition, she's just there to win the damage rush so your finisher can clean up (Poe, Miranda, etc.), so her taking damage is less relevant than ensuring she's inflicting at least as much which Saw is good for. Saw is amazing against most point fortresses as a giant stack of crits is a sure fire way to make regening to victory less viable.

Crits are the death of any high HP ship.

59 minutes ago, wurms said:

Wulf w/ Predator, Saw

Get some crits, help turn his ability on for more crits.

Add Breach Specialist for 1 point and he's immune to crits himself! 35 points for that wrecking ball.

37 points with C3P0.

10 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

Rey. He's basically a cheap Expertise that doesn't use your EPT slot. Also, Rey is not usually your win condition, she's just there to win the damage rush so your finisher can clean up (Poe, Miranda, etc.), so her taking damage is less relevant than ensuring she's inflicting at least as much which Saw is good for. Saw is amazing against most point fortresses as a giant stack of crits is a sure fire way to make regening to victory less viable.

Something like this?

Rey (45)
Veteran Instincts (1) , Finn (5) , Saw Gerrera (1) , Engine Upgrade (4) , Millennium Falcon (1)