12 hours ago, dotswarlock said:

Ok, here is a situation that will help people understand the upgrade.

- Palpatine is in a low PS Tie Reaper.

- Soontir just destroyed a target, but is very far away. It may take him 2 or 3 rounds of flying just to get back in the fight

- Meanwhile, Poe is closing in on the Tie Reaper from behind. Thanks to his superios PS and dial, he most likely will be in range 1 and out of arc.

When controlling the Tie Reaper, the player assigns targeting scrambler on Poe (he won't have a shot anyway). He then does small move (straight 1), and does an evade action. Poe closes in at range 1 and would normally say "yay!", but here's the catch. His 4 attack dice can't be modified, so they average 2 hits. Meanwhile, thanks to Palpatine and the evade token, the Tie Reaper is garanteed 2 evades. Poe could suddenly find it very hard to get through those 6 hull and 2 shields and find Soontir coming up all too quickly.

Situational, definitely. Useful? It might very well be, especially if the local meta favors a low count of ships.

this card is a fix card. if it doesnt help the U-wing or other underpowered and neglected ships, its failed.

As someone said earlier, without seeing the pilots there may be one that abuses the thing to an obsured level. Certainly makes you scratch your head though.

20 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

Expected number of rolled hits/crits

• 5-dice (Expose) = 2.5
• 4-dice with focus = 3.0
• 4-dice with target lock = 3.0
• 4-dice with focus (Predator) = 3.5

Expose does have the higher hit potential if you roll really well, but it's average damage is poor compared to even basic tokens. Even in it's dream scenario, a range one Expose on an enemy you have locked, it just ties with focus locked on average damage. Sorry man, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but Expose is the worst card in the game, and it really doesn't have any viable uses.

Well based on my calculations, expose nets you a $500 fine and up to 30 days in jail, unless your repeatedly exposing to minors, then that’s 5 years federal prison (minimum) and mandatory registration with 3 letter agencies + civil lawsuits for emotional damages.

On a more serious note, I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree. I will admit you are 100% right it’s not viable from a competitive standpoint in any meta revolving around 100/6, but I will argue it has some form of jank factor. And it’s the kind of jank that doesn’t cause you to have a mental breakdown like R3 Astro or saturation salvo. Sort of like autoblaster turret on a hwk, or when you successfully bomb/tractor someone with the quad jumper. At least that’s how I feel.

1 hour ago, GrimmyV said:

Sure, you can have that upgrade for like 3-4 points.

things we learned from this preview:

1) Forum goers lack reading comprehension

2) forum goers lack imagination

3) forum goers always assume they will have a ship in arc every round

4) FFG does listen to us AFTER they release ships, resulting in Aces packs like this to fix poorly designed or received ships

5) GUNBOAT (thank you FFG)

Agree on 1

Somewhat agree on 2.

I don't agree at all with 3

I agree they listen, agree they attempt to fix, but they don't have a great history of successful fixes (maybe they'll fix the T-65 on this, their 5th attempt at it (not counting their sprinkle buffs like vectored thrusters)). So far, there's no reason to think the U-wing is any better off than it was before. You'll still lose, but scrambler is designed to help you lose more slowly. That's good, right? Right?

5. I'm glad you like it

5 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

this card is a fix card. if it doesnt help the U-wing or other underpowered and neglected ships, its failed.

No. This is a new systems upgrade. Given that it is in no way restricted to Large Ships, Rebel Ships, or the U-wing in particular, it's not a 'fix', it's just another 'new thing'; it's not required to help the U-wing any more than anyone else.

Renegade Refit (or whatever it is) looks to be T-65 X-wing and [something] only. Assuming that the [something] is U-wing, then that's your U-wing fix (along with Saw and whoever else as new pilots)

Yup. Renegade Refit is probably an actual U Wing fix card.

Also, I suspect that there are two more new pilots we've not seen yet, I'd bank on K2SO and a new elite generic, and probably another upgrade that's not revealed yet (K2 crew plz).

The way the layout is set up just makes me think that there are a bunch of cards they've not fully finalised yet that have temporary placeholders until they do.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

Renegade Refit is probably an actual U Wing fix card.

Which we can actually speculate on:

• It definitely looks to allow 2 modifications
• It may or may not have a negative points cost (but probably will).
  • Assuming the Cavern Angels Zealot is 20 points (1 less than the rookie) and S-foils are free, -1 point would permit
    • Zealot with Flight Assist Astromech, Renegade Refit, Integrated Astromech, and Servomotor S-Foils
    • a fair comparison (probably) to 5 Cartel Marauders with Vaksai, XX-23 S-Thread Tracers, Contraband Cybernetics, Munitions Failsafe, and Guidance Chips
    • Both have 3-dice primaries, and 5 hit points - the former have a bit of damage mitigation, and a lot of (situational) repositioning, the latter have a better native dial and lot of token/action efficiency by allowing actions when stressed and turning a focus on one ship into a target lock on multiple ships.
• Since it can't replace Pivot Wing, it can't be a title
  • Both the X-wing and the U-wing have a torpedo slot they don't get great use out of.
  • The title has echoes of Chaardan Refit, which removed an A-wing's missile slot for a cost saving

Assuming it was -1 point and allows 2 modifications - I'm genuinely interested what would be best to take?

X Wing with IA has 6HP

I'd bet on the PS1 X Wing being 19 and this being free, personally.

If it allows 2 mods, the X-Wing is blatantly taking S Foils and IA, apart from just maybe the top PS ones who might want VT.

On the U Wing? Eh. The U Wing rarely want a mod slot as is, it's a lumbering large base with a bad dial, engine is just adding to the points pinata. Maybe CM? It's super difficult to make the U Wing remotely worth taking when both the Auzitcuk and the Sheathipede exist, and both eat enormous amounts of its use cases on MUCH more efficient chassis.

I'm very dubious that there's any fix at all that makes the U Wing work except hard errata to Pivot Wing, and even then, it's not easy.

50 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

On the U Wing? Eh. The U Wing rarely want a mod slot as is, it's a lumbering large base with a bad dial, engine is just adding to the points pinata. Maybe CM? It's super difficult to make the U Wing remotely worth taking when both the Auzitcuk and the Sheathipede exist, and both eat enormous amounts of its use cases on MUCH more efficient chassis.

If only the U-wing had been on a small base...

4 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Since it can't replace Pivot Wing, it can't be a title

Bad assumption. The Starviper MkII allows another title to be equipped.

5 hours ago, Lyynark said:

If only the U-wing had been on a small base...

Then people would have complained about that ship being in a $30 box just like the Silencer and Reaper!

A 0 cost upgrade can never be as bad as something you paid for...

6 hours ago, Lyynark said:

If only the U-wing had been on a small base...

I disagree, being on a large base is the ONLY thing the U-Wing has going for it. It's able to serve as a blocker that way, and I actually get a lot of mileage out of a cheap U-Wing blocker in Epic. If it was on a small base... I'd have zero uses for a U-Wing, ever, as then it's really just a substantially crummier Auzituck.

Trust me when I say I'm not defending it but say I put it on a u wing the u wing cannot attack as it is out of range or no enemy ships r in my firing arc in either if these situations I can use this upgrade and assign it to a friendly ship who's face to face with a opponent by doing this ur friendly ship will be able to hit them with modified and their attack will be unmodified

14 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

this card is a fix card. if it doesnt help the U-wing or other underpowered and neglected ships, its failed.

Targeting Scrambler is unique and it is not "U-Wing only," both of which make it unlikely to be a fix card? It's only real use seems to be on a Palpatine Shuttle or a Palpatine Reaper, where it is actually pretty solid for 0pts (certainly better than Collision Detector, which is typically in the slot now). I'm not sure Palp-Carriers needed much help, but they've gotten it here.

I can't really see using Scrambler on a U-Wing... none of them seem valuable enough to be worth protecting even when it's not making attacks, seeing as Rebels lack anything close to a "Palp-level" support crew. Maybe the new unique pilots have some amazing support abilities worth putting on the table and protecting even if the U-Wing isn't making attacks itself, but barring that I can't see the U-Wing using this card to much effect.

27 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Targeting Scrambler is unique and it is not "U-Wing only," both of which make it unlikely to be a fix card? It's only real use seems to be on a Palpatine Shuttle or a Palpatine Reaper, where it is actually pretty solid for 0pts (certainly better than Collision Detector, which is typically in the slot now). I'm not sure Palp-Carriers needed much help, but they've gotten it here.

I can't really see using Scrambler on a U-Wing... none of them seem valuable enough to be worth protecting even when it's not making attacks, seeing as Rebels lack anything close to a "Palp-level" support crew. Maybe the new unique pilots have some amazing support abilities worth putting on the table and protecting even if the U-Wing isn't making attacks itself, but barring that I can't see the U-Wing using this card to much effect.

it is being sold in an X-wing and U-wing fix pack, notably Not in the Reaper pack.

its the only ship in the expansion which can use Targeting Scramblers, so it stands to reason that its meant to go on the U-wing.

as for it being unique, im certain that is either a preview mistake or will get errata'd, as its only use in most squads will be to have a dedicated support buffing other ships. if you trade your attack for getting hit slightly less hard, your opponent will simply target a bigger threat. if its not unuque you can at least help other ships with it equiped

1 hour ago, Dengars Toilet Paper said:

Trust me when I say I'm not defending it but say I put it on a u wing the u wing cannot attack as it is out of range or no enemy ships r in my firing arc in either if these situations I can use this upgrade and assign it to a friendly ship who's face to face with a opponent by doing this ur friendly ship will be able to hit them with modified and their attack will be unmodified

Again, that's not how it works.

It only protects the ship it's on, it doesn't help friendly ships. They can only not modify their attacks if they are at range 1 and shooting at the ship with the scrambler.

18 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

it is being sold in an X-wing and U-wing fix pack, notably Not in the Reaper pack.

its the only ship in the expansion which can use Targeting Scramblers, so it stands to reason that its meant to go on the U-wing.

Ok, so it's a U-Wing fix card? What does it matter if we call it a fix card? Was Rey (crew) a fix for the YT-1300? It came in a re-release pack with the T70 and YT1300, and could only be equipped to the YT-1300 in that pack. Was the TIE/shuttle title a fix for the TIE Bomber? Or was it simply an alternative way to field the TIE Bomber? Were Proton Rockets specifically a fix for the A-Wing? Because they came in the pack right alongside the Chardaan Refit, which removed the missile slot.

Whether we call it a fix or not, it'll only be found on Palp Carriers, most likely.


I think the common notion of "fix card" (a concept FFG themselves have not coined nor used) is that it's a card that (1) is intended to equip to a specific under-powered ship or class of ships and (2) the fix card is costed unusually aggressively in order to compensate for an under-performing ship that is too expensive. Targeting Scrambler doesn't satisfy either of those criteria.

1 hour ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Ok, so it's a U-Wing fix card? What does it matter if we call it a fix card? Was Rey (crew) a fix for the YT-1300? It came in a re-release pack with the T70 and YT1300, and could only be equipped to the YT-1300 in that pack. Was the TIE/shuttle title a fix for the TIE Bomber? Or was it simply an alternative way to field the TIE Bomber? Were Proton Rockets specifically a fix for the A-Wing? Because they came in the pack right alongside the Chardaan Refit, which removed the missile slot.

Whether we call it a fix or not, it'll only be found on Palp Carriers, most likely.


I think the common notion of "fix card" (a concept FFG themselves have not coined nor used) is that it's a card that (1) is intended to equip to a specific under-powered ship or class of ships and (2) the fix card is costed unusually aggressively in order to compensate for an under-performing ship that is too expensive. Targeting Scrambler doesn't satisfy either of those criteria.

so lightweight frame wasnt a fix?

pulsed ray shield wasnt a fix?

so far every ace pack has been 2 ships which need a boost, and the cards which buff/fix them. many of those cards also help other ships, but their purpose is to aid the components they are sold with.

This expansion would not exist if the U-wing and X-wing werent underperforming badly, and the purpose of every card in the expansion is to put them back on the table

Just now, Vontoothskie said:

so far every ace pack has been 2 ships which need a boost, and the cards which buff/fix them. many of those cards also help other ships, but their purpose is to aid the components they are sold with.

Not every ace pack. B-wings were still quite strong when rebel aces came out. It's just that the named pilots were over costed so nobody took them. It was just generics with advanced sensors so FFG gave them more options.

But otherwise, yes. 2 ship packs are generally to boost under-performing ships. Maybe that'll happen for the U-wing with the unrevealed contents, but so far there's no indication that it'll happen.

Scramblers certainly don't give me confidence that they'll fix it.

scramblers...i dont know what they were thinking with that one.

They really should have just made it a 3pt sensor that flatout just goes "Receive 1 weapons disabled token and assign Scrambled condition to an enemy ship at R1-3" with the condition going "You cannot modify your attacks"

Its unique, so it cant be spammed
Gives it support ship utility
Doesnt require the target to be firing R1 (which to an extent counters the point of it with the extra die)
Doesnt require it to fire at the owner of Scrambler

Yeah, it isnt free, but it WORKS and is GOOD now lol. I'd put that on a uwing pretty quick, since they will easily have several turns they cant fire anyway.

15 hours ago, Sekac said:

Again, that's not how it works.

It only protects the ship it's on, it doesn't help friendly ships. They can only not modify their attacks if they are at range 1 and shooting at the ship with the scrambler.

But you can assign the card to a friendly ship a range 1-3

27 minutes ago, Dengars Toilet Paper said:

But you can assign the card to a friendly ship a range 1-3

Yes, and then that friendly ship cannot modify its dice when attacking the scrambler carrier at range one.

You will also need the ability to attack your own ships to be able to get a disadvantage out of the scrambler then...

45 minutes ago, Rangor said:

You will also need the ability to attack your own ships to be able to get a disadvantage out of the scrambler then...

Dammit, they've nerfed R5-KT already??!

On 15/2/2018 at 4:26 AM, Vontoothskie said:

this card is a fix card. if it doesnt help the U-wing or other underpowered and neglected ships, its failed.

No in fact it is not. It's just a card.